Liquid Health

[Guest guest]

One of the gals I work with, who is a fitness freak and her fiancé is a

personal trainer, brought me some vitamins last month. Since I have to pass

drug tests for my powerlifting I waited until I could check the ingredients

against the banned list. It passed so I tried them. They totally rock, so

I wanted to pass the info along. You put a dose in with some OJ. What I

noticed is that whatever is in them cleared my head and helped my focus. I

wake up ready to take my vitamins, which I think is a little weird, but

whatever :-) I've noticed I'm getting more done during the day too. Can't

explain it, just happy it is that way.

http://www.liquidhealthinc.com/prodInterior.php?prodID=24

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing this, Val.

I am 51 and want to give it a try.

M.

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[Guest guest]

> They totally rock, so I wanted to pass the info along.

> You put a dose in with some OJ. What I noticed is that

> whatever is in them cleared my head and helped my focus.

Its the ginsing most likely and not to be sassy, but it shows you

dont know too much about what you are taking. Are you just

advertising or are you really happy with it and " just want to share " ?

All one needs to do is to compare this liquid to regular vitamins to

see that it is an incomplete multivitamin source. Maybe *in addition

to* a regular multi (know & buy herbs separately for better

effectiveness tho) but it doesnt cut it in comparison to even say a

Centrum Performance multivitamin:

http://www.centrumperformance.com/products/labeling.asp

This particular Centrum brand has ginsing, ginko (both for mind

clarity/bit'o energy), folic acid, all the minerals, antioxidents,

and ALL the vitamins that go with each other/compliment each other

to make sure your body actually USES them. Certain vitmains have to

be taken with certain others to actually do you any good. (Just as

fat soluable vitamins need to be taken with food). Reputable

companies know this and their quality products reflect their

completeness.

Altho they list additional ingredients of aloe vera juice/lemon

juice, etc they dont list vitamin c (huh?) its what they dont list

that could be missing or concerns me. Its how they list it in mg

instead of RDA which more people understand. They dont list any

calcium either. Women should be getting 1000-1500mg a day. They list

alot of herbs that most people know nothing about or what they may

or may not do. You dont know if you are getting the trace minerals

of copper,potassium,zinc,iodine etc, nor enough other antioxidents

from the 'proprietory blend' of theirs or the herbs mentioned.

Personally I wouldnt recoomend this liquid vitamin to anyone. If you

want black cohash for menopausal symptoms, buy it separately or

there are MANY good menopause combos out there in the healthfood

stores. Not every woman over a certain age needs to or wants to

supplement with this or some of the other ingredients. Mnay should

not because of herbal interactions with prescriptions they may be

taking. Do I want 1000mg of soy protein either? No thanks, not a soy

person here because of the estrogen issues; besides, I get enough

protein in my foods or whey supplements. If interested in any of the

herbs in this product I would evaluate them separately and decide if

you really need any of these or not based on your own needs and

certainly not just because someone on this board said this vitamin

stuff gave them a boost or 'they rock'. Having herbal ingredients

doesnt make it more 'natural' or necessarily better for you, it just

pulls the wool over many people eyes because they know nothing about

them and its a current marketing ploy - dont fall for it, know what

the ingredients really are before you buy into a product.

joni

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*A few good websites to look up info on vitamins, supplements and

herbs are:

http://www.supplementwatch.com/ (under 'library')

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/ (under 'reference library')

http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Herbs/0,3913,,00.html

[Guest guest]

Joni,

Then don¹t take them. No one said you had to. I¹m just having good results

with them and I thought I¹d share. It seems to me that somebody woke up a

little Miss Crankypants on their free day. FWIW, 100 mgs of ginseng

doesn¹t pop a drug test for me, so maybe I do know what I¹m talking about.

OTOH, I wouldn¹t take Centrum anything if I were looking for a quality

product, but that¹s just me. I don¹t come out and trash anyone who mentions

them because I think any vitamin supplement is better than no supplement at

all. Afterall, Centrum is brought to you by the people who have brought us

Advil, Robitussen and Chapstick. I¹m sure that diversification hasn¹t

inhibited their ability to use fresh quality ingredients rather than

biomedical chemicals. But that¹s just my opinion of large drug makers. I

didn¹t get out a slide rule to figure this all out, I checked the

ingredients, they work for me, I tried it, and it works for me. I suggested

some folks might want to try this since there are several women on this

board over 40. If it doesn¹t work for you, don¹t take them. Soy is highly

recommended for pre-menopausal symptoms, which I consider a positive. I¹m

not sure what was unclear about the label, it clearly states what¹s in it,

in English and milligrams. I¹m not sure what I did to deserve this attack,

there are certainly more civilized ways to disagree besides telling me I

don¹t know what I¹m talking about. I¹ve had excellent results with a

creatine product that Skwigg is opposed to. We disagree civilly on that

subject, about once a week.

And feel free to not try my chili recipe either.

On 2/12/06 2:01 PM, " jgrrl2 " <no_reply > wrote:

>

>> > They totally rock, so I wanted to pass the info along.

>> > You put a dose in with some OJ. What I noticed is that

>> > whatever is in them cleared my head and helped my focus.

>

> Its the ginsing most likely and not to be sassy, but it shows you

> dont know too much about what you are taking. Are you just

> advertising or are you really happy with it and " just want to share " ?

> All one needs to do is to compare this liquid to regular vitamins to

> see that it is an incomplete multivitamin source. Maybe *in addition

> to* a regular multi (know & buy herbs separately for better

> effectiveness tho) but it doesnt cut it in comparison to even say a

> Centrum Performance multivitamin:

> http://www.centrumperformance.com/products/labeling.asp

> This particular Centrum brand has ginsing, ginko (both for mind

> clarity/bit'o energy), folic acid, all the minerals, antioxidents,

> and ALL the vitamins that go with each other/compliment each other

> to make sure your body actually USES them. Certain vitmains have to

> be taken with certain others to actually do you any good. (Just as

> fat soluable vitamins need to be taken with food). Reputable

> companies know this and their quality products reflect their

> completeness.

>

> Altho they list additional ingredients of aloe vera juice/lemon

> juice, etc they dont list vitamin c (huh?) its what they dont list

> that could be missing or concerns me. Its how they list it in mg

> instead of RDA which more people understand. They dont list any

> calcium either. Women should be getting 1000-1500mg a day. They list

> alot of herbs that most people know nothing about or what they may

> or may not do. You dont know if you are getting the trace minerals

> of copper,potassium,zinc,iodine etc, nor enough other antioxidents

> from the 'proprietory blend' of theirs or the herbs mentioned.

>

> Personally I wouldnt recoomend this liquid vitamin to anyone. If you

> want black cohash for menopausal symptoms, buy it separately or

> there are MANY good menopause combos out there in the healthfood

> stores. Not every woman over a certain age needs to or wants to

> supplement with this or some of the other ingredients. Mnay should

> not because of herbal interactions with prescriptions they may be

> taking. Do I want 1000mg of soy protein either? No thanks, not a soy

> person here because of the estrogen issues; besides, I get enough

> protein in my foods or whey supplements. If interested in any of the

> herbs in this product I would evaluate them separately and decide if

> you really need any of these or not based on your own needs and

> certainly not just because someone on this board said this vitamin

> stuff gave them a boost or 'they rock'. Having herbal ingredients

> doesnt make it more 'natural' or necessarily better for you, it just

> pulls the wool over many people eyes because they know nothing about

> them and its a current marketing ploy - dont fall for it, know what

> the ingredients really are before you buy into a product.

>

>

> joni

>

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> *A few good websites to look up info on vitamins, supplements and

> herbs are:

> http://www.supplementwatch.com/ (under 'library')

> http://www.wholehealthmd.com/ (under 'reference library')

> http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Herbs/0,3913,,00.html

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[Guest guest]

> Then don¹t take them. No one said you had to.

> I¹m just having good results with them and I thought

> I¹d share. It seems to me that somebody woke up a

> little Miss Crankypants on their free day.

Sorry to come across cranky, its just one of my pet peeves that

*some* people tend not to know what ingredients are (especially

herbal stuff)and buy stuff just on other peoples recommendations

without researching the ingredients. If its 'working' for you then

great. But I wanted to caution others to do their own homework on

the ingredients before buying.

> Afterall, Centrum is brought to you by the people who have

> brought us Advil, Robitussen and Chapstick. I¹m sure that

> diversification hasn¹t inhibited their ability to use fresh

> quality ingredients rather than biomedical chemicals. But

> that¹s just my opinion of large drug makers.

Centrum was just an example, but I still think they make above

average quality controlled products. I have tried all kinds of basic

multivitamin brands, and personally other than their source, they

are basically all the same given the RDA. If someone prefers a

more 'natural' source then fork over the $$ and buy Life Extension

or NutriLite for example. Its a personal choice. If I want more of

say antioxidents I buy a separate supplement. It was only for

comparison sake - as I pointed out, the one you were recommending

doesnt specifically list certain antioxidents nor include necessary

minerals (like calcium) that every women needs. One would need to

take additional supplements to meet the minimal requirements of a

MULTI-vitamin source.

>I suggested some folks might want to try this since

> there are several women on this board over 40. If it doesnt

> work for you, don¹t take them. Soy is highly

> recommended for pre-menopausal symptoms, which I consider a

> positive.

Being 52 I think I can speak of menopause symptoms and the downside

of soy. There is a dark side and controversy over the

benefits/negatives of soy consumption and again it is not for

everyone. Just because you are over a certain age doesnt mean there

is some inherant need for this (similar to how HRT was/is pushed on

many women only to find out later it had/has bad side effects) There

are indicators that soy with its estrogen based compounds can

increase the indicators for certain kinds of breast cancer.

posted a bunch of great links about this, dont know if she still has

them as she can repost them if or people can just google it. She

also had some links as to how soy can inhibit fatloss as fatcells

contain estrogen and increasing it thru soy consumption may not be

in everyones best interest, menopausal or not.

> I¹m not sure what I did to deserve this attack,

> there are certainly more civilized ways to disagree besides

> telling me I don¹t know what I¹m talking about. I¹ve had

> excellent results with a creatine product that Skwigg is

> opposed to. We disagree civilly on that subject, about once

> a week.

It may be your perception, but I am in no way attacking you

personally. I'm just being gruffly honest here. It seemed by your

original post of not knowing what was 'clearing' your head that you

didnt know much about the ingedients - my bad, you may know more

than your post mentioned. Posts are like that, they may come across

differently than the typer may have thought they would. Its hard to

read inbtwn the lines or if they are smiling while typing :-)

No matter. Anytime anyone posts a 'wow this product is great - go

try it' it kind of riles me up ;-) (like a red flag! LoL!)I just

want people to think for themselves and do their own homework BEFORE

taking supplements. Not to just take someones blanket endorsement

and use their statement as a reason to purchase something. Maybe it

was just the way your original post came across and another poster

responding that wow she was going to buy some that kinda ticked me

off(snortbullredflag!) Its ok I'm mellow now ;-) I can disagree and

be 'civil' about having an opposing view, but I'd rather that I

persuaded someone to think for themselves instead. :-)

joni

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*shakes your hand and agrees to mildly agree to mildly disagree* ;-)

[Guest guest]

Just for entertainment purposes and to lighten the mood, one time Joni

and I got in a big argument about ephedra... and at the time, I was

having a heart arrhythmia caused BY ephedra and was wearing a portable

EKG that recorded 24 hours of heart activity. During our little spat,

my heart rate and blood pressure pegged and my heart started throwing

in extra beats all over the place. My doctor was like, " What was THAT?

Did you run wind sprints? "

Um, no, just reading my e-mail. Got a little riled up. LOL

[Guest guest]

I remember that time! What heated debates we had about the stuff!

Honestly, Joni is not cranky...she just really believes what she

believes and is firm in stating it.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Oops. I am the one who jumped in right after Val's post and said I

was excited about trying Liquid Health. I still am, though I totally

agree with Joni's post.

I seem to be in a curious mode these past few months. One bottle and

one month's personal trial sounds OK to me

I am 51, have a bachelor's degree in health science, a master's in

Education, and I take calcium+D twice a day

I love that Joni is passionate about sharing information with others.

I have noted that as far as email communication goes; It is smoother

when the typer uses " I " statements more frequently than " You "

statements. It's doable.

I want to keep Skwigg around for many years to come

Keeping it honest and kind,

M.