Re: Sunbathing and weight loss

[Guest guest]

Damn, I was taking a drink when I read that sunlight burns fat. I had

to slap my hand over my mouth to keep from spraying the keyboard, and

then the diet pepsi nearly came out my ears. :-D

Did you read the rest of that page? He says that sunlight is good for

fat loss, and that aerobic exercise and sex are bad. He also says to

sleep nude with the window open, and to close your eyes as much as

possible.

It was very entertaining, and there's some truth in some of what he's

saying, but I'm thinking he's slightly nuts.

On 1/24/06, t-jay <t-jay130@...> wrote:

> Below is a quote from a website I bumped into today while Googling

> http://www.healself.org/weight.html

> Has anyone else ever heard of this as a factor?

> " Sunbathe and air bathe..., each bodily part, daily. Sunlight and fresh air

> aid the nutritive processes of the body. They increase the blood supply to

> the muscles. They help burn up fat and develop muscles. They help lose

> weight. Sunlight helps the obese to lose weight. F. Ellinger writes that

> experimental animals that receive sunlight treatments lose weight, as

> compared to animals given the same diet but not the sunlight treatment. R.

> D. Gabovich writes that sunlight stimulates the thyroid gland to increase

> hormone production. Dr. Zane R. Kime writes, " Stimulation of the thyroid

> gland (by sunlight) increases the body's basal metabolism rate, burning up

> more energy or calories.''

> Bing writes that when sunlight strikes the skin, it also increases the tone

> of the muscles, under the exposed skin. This in turn, burns more calories

> and would increase weight loss. "

>

> M.

[Guest guest]

Weeeeeellllll. Let's see. If that was sunbathing in the nude I would

definitely be motivated to burn some fat!

I just wonder if he mentioned using sunscreen in there anywhere.

Deb

> > Below is a quote from a website I bumped into today while Googling

> > http://www.healself.org/weight.html

> > Has anyone else ever heard of this as a factor?

> > " Sunbathe and air bathe..., each bodily part, daily. Sunlight and

fresh air

> > aid the nutritive processes of the body. They increase the blood

supply to

> > the muscles. They help burn up fat and develop muscles. They help lose

> > weight. Sunlight helps the obese to lose weight. F. Ellinger

writes that

> > experimental animals that receive sunlight treatments lose weight, as

> > compared to animals given the same diet but not the sunlight

treatment. R.

> > D. Gabovich writes that sunlight stimulates the thyroid gland to

increase

> > hormone production. Dr. Zane R. Kime writes, " Stimulation of the

thyroid

> > gland (by sunlight) increases the body's basal metabolism rate,

burning up

> > more energy or calories.''

> > Bing writes that when sunlight strikes the skin, it also increases

the tone

> > of the muscles, under the exposed skin. This in turn, burns more

calories

> > and would increase weight loss. "

> >

> > M.

>

[Guest guest]

Well I know that sunbathing doesn't cause me to lose weight... BUT I

live in Wi and I can tell you no sunlight in the winter is pretty

dang depressing. I've been struggling with motivation since late

October, and if I look back, this happens to me every year. I get

depressed and eat to make myself feel better. I think I better move

south to lose weight for good LOL

Diane in WI

At 06:13 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:

>Below is a quote from a website I bumped into today while Googling

><http://www.healself.org/weight.html>http://www.healself.org/weight.html

>Has anyone else ever heard of this as a factor?

> " Sunbathe and air bathe...,

[Guest guest]

Obviously there is no evidence that the sun improves weight loss, but I

always say tan fat looks better than white fat.

Of course, that's just my opinion...

[Guest guest]

True, all true! Both about the low light of winter being depressing as

hell and about tan fat looking better than white fat.

From November through March, I have to force myself to wake up and

function. Once I stumble out the door and the sunlight hits me, my

brain starts working right again. Up until then, I tend to want to

stay in bed and sleep and cry... and then go find some Doritos. LOL

I've also been using Coppertone Gradual Tan all winter. If I put it on

twice a week, I keep a warm healthy skin tone instead of turning all

pale and blue and sickly looking. I haven't tried the Jergens Natural

Glow yet, but it's supposed to do the same thing. They're body lotions

with just a hint of sunless tanner in them. So, they don't streak,

give you orange palms, or make you look shockingly dark. They just

warm you up a little. Although, if you apply them every day you can

build an actual tan with them.

On 1/25/06, Ruth <FairyDogmother@...> wrote:

> Obviously there is no evidence that the sun improves weight loss, but I

> always say tan fat looks better than white fat.

>

> Of course, that's just my opinion...

>

On 1/24/06, Diane M. <dmiller91@...> wrote:

> Well I know that sunbathing doesn't cause me to lose weight... BUT I

> live in Wi and I can tell you no sunlight in the winter is pretty

> dang depressing. I've been struggling with motivation since late

> October, and if I look back, this happens to me every year. I get

> depressed and eat to make myself feel better. I think I better move

> south to lose weight for good LOL

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I am in Alaska and I hear you on the no sunlight

issue. It's dark by 3:30-4:00 here!! It's getting

better as spring gets closer but still not great.

Usually when October hits I just want to curl up and

go to sleep and not move until May. It's a good thing

I play hockey because it really keeps me going and

gets me out of the house. (and now body for life too)

I really do feel better after I workout thank

goodness.

One thing about living up here though (or anywhere

else with snow) is I am managing to get an extra work

out in every day this week from all the shoveling I

have done. We have had over a foot of snow in the last

24 hours alone!

Speaking of moving south, I am moving south this

summer to Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan. (well it's

south of Alaska anyway, LOL)

Amy

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Message: 25

Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:56:22 -0600

From: " Diane M. " <dmiller91@...>

Subject: Re: Sunbathing and weight loss

Well I know that sunbathing doesn't cause me to lose

weight... BUT I

live in Wi and I can tell you no sunlight in the

winter is pretty

dang depressing. I've been struggling with motivation

since late

October, and if I look back, this happens to me every

year. I get

depressed and eat to make myself feel better. I think

I better move

south to lose weight for good LOL

Diane in WI

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In WI there isn't even any sunshine when you do stumble out the

door. I can relate to the Dorito quest. Has anyone tried " light

therapy " in the winter?

Diane

I use the sunless tanner too. I use Loreal. It does make you look

better, but I still feel terrible.

At 09:44 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

>True, all true! Both about the low light of winter being depressing as

>hell and about tan fat looking better than white fat.

>

> From November through March, I have to force myself to wake up and

>function. Once I stumble out the door and the sunlight hits me, my

>brain starts working right again. Up until then, I tend to want to

>stay in bed and sleep and cry... and then go find some Doritos. LOL

[Guest guest]

wow, I give you credit. It sounds like you have embraced winter. I

think I would be very very depressed with so little sunshine. I

lived one year in TN and I felt profoundly different all winter.

Diane

At 12:24 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

>Diane,

>I am in Alaska and I hear you on the no sunlight

>issue. It's dark by 3:30-4:00 here!! It's getting

>better as spring gets closer but still not great.

>

>Usually when October hits I just want to curl up and

>go to sleep and not move until May. It's a good thing

>I play hockey because it really keeps me going and

>gets me out of the house. (and now body for life too)

>I really do feel better after I workout thank

>goodness.

[Guest guest]

sorry about all the repeats. I didn't do it, I swear!

At 06:03 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

>In WI there isn't even any sunshine when you do stumble out the

>door. I can relate to the Dorito quest. Has anyone tried " light

>therapy " in the winter?

>

>Diane

>

>I use the sunless tanner too. I use Loreal. It does make you look

>better, but I still feel terrible.

[Guest guest]

I will sometimes go hit the tanning bed on occaison, not to get tan but

to generally help me sleep. I'm an insomniac and this can definitely

help in the winter, like say, once a month. Just makes me feel better

and helps me sleep, well, for at least that night or so.

Leilani

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please excuse me for origionally posting a quote from such a " fringe "

article.

I think the connection is more clearly stated in this mainstream

article, though it is mostly about how exposure to sunlight has an

effect on ovulation and fertility.

It does speak to the winter/sunlight connection to women's health.

Leilani had mentioned the sleep issue...

http://womenshealth.about.com/od/pregnancyrelatedissues/a/sleepsunlight.htm

The body/brain/food thing is very mysterious.

This article is mostly about how exposure to sunlight has an effect on

ovulation and fertility, but think the same homonal balance issues

are a big part of a my health/body/weight/sleep struggles stuff.

aside;

I do remember delivering my second child and not feeling the least bit

hungry for 2 days. It was such an odd feeling for me as I had battled

cravings for 20 years. So, two days go by and I felt like I was

forcing myself to eat some food at meal times. Then BOOM !!! I

suddenly felt EXTREMELY hungry I was shocked. I remember thinking I

would eat cardboard if it was handy. It was the middle of the night

at the hospital after the C-section and I just kept asking for all

they had handy; apple juice and graham crackers. MORE PLEASE. Half an

hour later my milk " came in " and my breasts were swollen like melons.

Ah, the power of those mysterious hormones.

I am going to Google regarding the " light box " mentioned at the end of

this article.

M.

[Guest guest]

Moving to the Soo, eh? That won't be too much different from alaska! just

kidding. My husband and I enjoy vacationing there. We found the coolest

little bar called the Hideaway! Welcome to michigan, by the way!

-- Re: Sunbathing and weight loss

Well I know that sunbathing doesn't cause me to lose

weight... BUT I

live in Wi and I can tell you no sunlight in the

winter is pretty

dang depressing. I've been struggling with motivation

since late

October, and if I look back, this happens to me every

year. I get

depressed and eat to make myself feel better. I think

I better move

south to lose weight for good LOL

Diane in WI

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Don't give it a rest, I appreciate it! I have been so down in the

dumps lately. It started with the longer days and slipping off my

program. Then that just made me feel worse, and then it starts to

feel hopeless. I think I am going to try some lights and see what

happens. Has anyone ever bought a light box?

Diane

At 03:29 PM 1/26/2006, you wrote:

>The Mayo Clinic does mention some eating symptoms in this artice about

>SAD and phototherapy.

>

> " In rare cases, the condition develops during summer months. Signs and

>symptoms of winter-time seasonal affective disorder can include

>sadness, sleep difficulties, increased appetite, carbohydrate craving,

>irritability, weight gain, lack of energy, anxiety and problems

>concentrating. "

><http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/seasonal-affective-disorder/MH00023>http://ww\

w.mayoclinic.com/health/seasonal-affective-disorder/MH00023

>

>

>I just don't think it is " rare " . I think it is under reported.

>

>OK

>I'll give it a rest.

>Just happy to share.

> M.

>

[Guest guest]

> They suggested taking a Vitamin D supplement year round,

> but double it in the winter.

If you really cant get out in some sun for only 10-15 minutes 3x a

week (face/arms/neck, a walk to the store) then most multivitamins

these days cover you with 400IU of vitamin D (200IU is the daily

minimal recomendation)- they have it in them because you need

vitamin D to help absorb calcium - same reason why todays milk

contains it too.

http://www.centrum.com/products/labeling_centrum.asp

Plus other foods like fortified cereal, tuna/salmon and even eggs

have some vitamin D in them too. They do not recommend more than

that as it can be toxic starting at 1000IU's. (1 tablespoon cod

liver oil has over that at 1360IU's) So be very careful if you

choose to supplement with this vitamin (which acts like a hormone in

the body). Here's a few other articles about it:

http://tinyurl.com/b7o89

and at

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

joni

[Guest guest]

On 27 Jan 2006 at 16:34, jgrrl2 wrote:

> They suggested taking a Vitamin D supplement year round,

> but double it in the winter.

If you really cant get out in some sun for only 10-15 minutes 3x a

week (face/arms/neck, a walk to the store)

No, I can't get out in the sun 3 times a week - I live in Canada - 6

months of the year we can't go outside without covering up totally - and

in the summer, I wear sunscreen when I go outside

then most multivitamins

these days cover you with 400IU of vitamin D (200IU is the daily

minimal recomendation)- they have it in them because you need

vitamin D to help absorb calcium - same reason why todays milk

contains it too.

This is the daily minimum - that doesn't mean there aren't reasons to

take more - the websights you gave recommend as much as 1000 per

day for certain conditions - but even for a normal 50 year old, they

recommend 800 (which is the amount I said I take in the winter)

http://www.centrum.com/products/labeling_centrum.asp

Plus other foods like fortified cereal, tuna/salmon and even eggs

have some vitamin D in them too. They do not recommend more than

that as it can be toxic starting at 1000IU's. (1 tablespoon cod

liver oil has over that at 1360IU's) So be very careful if you

choose to supplement with this vitamin (which acts like a hormone in

the body). Here's a few other articles about it:

http://tinyurl.com/b7o89

and at

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

I did say in my note that I was aware of the toxicity if taken in large

doses - and I wasn't saying everyone should do it - but an awful lot of

people were talking about being depressed in the winter, so I was telling

them about recent findings regarding Vitamin D - I didn't make it up - I

was just trying to help a few people who seem to be having the same

problem I have been experiencing most of my life. My doctor told me

about the study and suggested I give it a try - sorry for trying to help

d

In southern Ontario Canada

[Guest guest]

I believe that sunlight helps, but I've lived in Colorado for 13

years where there are over 320 days of sunshine a year, but for 9

years I was morbidly obese. However, you really can't live in

Colorado, be inactive and be happy. It's like the healthiest state

and in my neck of the woods (in-between Boulder and Denver)

bicyclist share the road with the cars. Not quite like Bejiing, but

we're getting close.

dj

>

> Below is a quote from a website I bumped into today while Googling

> http://www.healself.org/weight.html

> Has anyone else ever heard of this as a factor?

> " Sunbathe and air bathe..., each bodily part, daily. Sunlight and

fresh air

> aid the nutritive processes of the body. They increase the blood

supply to

> the muscles. They help burn up fat and develop muscles. They help

lose

> weight. Sunlight helps the obese to lose weight. F. Ellinger

writes that

> experimental animals that receive sunlight treatments lose weight,

as

> compared to animals given the same diet but not the sunlight

treatment. R.

> D. Gabovich writes that sunlight stimulates the thyroid gland to

increase

> hormone production. Dr. Zane R. Kime writes, " Stimulation of the

thyroid

> gland (by sunlight) increases the body's basal metabolism rate,

burning up

> more energy or calories.''

> Bing writes that when sunlight strikes the skin, it also increases

the tone

> of the muscles, under the exposed skin. This in turn, burns more

calories

> and would increase weight loss. "

>

> M.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a light box that I use in the winter. It does seem to help. I live

in Michigan and sometimes in the winter we go weeks with out seeing the sun.

I have been pretty depressed lately and haven't been using mine. I will

have to sit in front of it for a while tomorrow and see if it happens!

-- Re: Re: Sunbathing and weight loss

In WI there isn't even any sunshine when you do stumble out the

door. I can relate to the Dorito quest. Has anyone tried " light

therapy " in the winter?

Diane

I use the sunless tanner too. I use Loreal. It does make you look

better, but I still feel terrible.

At 09:44 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

>True, all true! Both about the low light of winter being depressing as

>hell and about tan fat looking better than white fat.

>

> From November through March, I have to force myself to wake up and

>function. Once I stumble out the door and the sunlight hits me, my

>brain starts working right again. Up until then, I tend to want to

>stay in bed and sleep and cry... and then go find some Doritos. LOL

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Someone asked about experience with SAD lights. I use a SAD light

every morning. My alarm clock goes off, I roll over and turn on the

SAD light (it hangs over my bed) for 10-20 minutes. It kick starts

the hormones that say to the body 'I'M AWAKE NOW!' and I can

actually get out of bed! I've also thought of trying the dawn

simulator alarm clocks - no buzz, just light coming on slowly until

it is full bright (imitates a tropical light schedule).

I have had SADs for many years, but it became much more critical

when I moved to the Cdn Pacific Northwest because the hours of sun

in the winter are much lower than the high, cold mountains where I

grew up.

As noted, Vitamin D is a great supplement for SADs. I have

taken it in the past and noticed good results. Someone else

expressed concerns over toxicity. Technically, Vitamin D itself is

not terribly toxic - however, since it usually comes in a supplement

with Vitamin A (NOT beta-carotene), there is some value in ensuring

that you do not take 'too much'. Following the directions on the

package should ensure that, however! (OD'ing on Vitamin A can cause

really NASTY things to happen to the bones! However, the value of

the supplement is not in dispute by ANYONE.)

Thank you to all who post - I lurk more than post, but there is

great, great information here and it is MUCH more balanced than most

of the information out there in the 'Weight and Fitness' world.

(You'd almost think they WANTED us not to lose weight/put on

muscle . . nah!)

>

> All you people who have problems with depression in the winter -

try

> taking Vitamin D.

>

> A recent study found that seasonal affected disorder is probably

caused

> by a lack of Vitamin D, more than a lack of light - but since our

bodies

> can only make the vitamin when exposed to sunlight, we develop a

> shortage in the winter - then get depressed.

>

> Since the use of sunscreen is the norm, and no one sunbathes any

> more, we are probably defiecient year round, just more so in the

winter.

> They suggested taking a Vitamin D supplement year round, but

double

> it in the winter. The fact that our grandparents took cod liver

oil in the

> winter shows just how smart they were.

>

> They said not to take more than double, as too much can be toxic -

> also, even though some of our foods are fortified with Vitamin D,

it's not

> enough.

>

> I take a supplement every day, and I feel it helps - besides, the

> supplement is very inexpensive, and I know it can't hurt either.

>

> d

> In southern Ontario Canada

>

[Guest guest]

This is a great idea. I never thought of setting up my light next to my bed

DUH!

Thanks,

-- Re: sunbathing and weight loss

Hi,

Someone asked about experience with SAD lights. I use a SAD light

every morning. My alarm clock goes off, I roll over and turn on the

SAD light (it hangs over my bed) for 10-20 minutes. It kick starts

the hormones that say to the body 'I'M AWAKE NOW!' and I can

actually get out of bed! I've also thought of trying the dawn

simulator alarm clocks - no buzz, just light coming on slowly until

it is full bright (imitates a tropical light schedule).

I have had SADs for many years, but it became much more critical

when I moved to the Cdn Pacific Northwest because the hours of sun

in the winter are much lower than the high, cold mountains where I

grew up.

As noted, Vitamin D is a great supplement for SADs. I have

taken it in the past and noticed good results. Someone else

expressed concerns over toxicity. Technically, Vitamin D itself is

not terribly toxic - however, since it usually comes in a supplement

with Vitamin A (NOT beta-carotene), there is some value in ensuring

that you do not take 'too much'. Following the directions on the

package should ensure that, however! (OD'ing on Vitamin A can cause

really NASTY things to happen to the bones! However, the value of

the supplement is not in dispute by ANYONE.)

Thank you to all who post - I lurk more than post, but there is

great, great information here and it is MUCH more balanced than most

of the information out there in the 'Weight and Fitness' world.

(You'd almost think they WANTED us not to lose weight/put on

muscle . . nah!)

>

> All you people who have problems with depression in the winter -

try

> taking Vitamin D.

>

> A recent study found that seasonal affected disorder is probably

caused

> by a lack of Vitamin D, more than a lack of light - but since our

bodies

> can only make the vitamin when exposed to sunlight, we develop a

> shortage in the winter - then get depressed.

>

> Since the use of sunscreen is the norm, and no one sunbathes any

> more, we are probably defiecient year round, just more so in the

winter.

> They suggested taking a Vitamin D supplement year round, but

double

> it in the winter. The fact that our grandparents took cod liver

oil in the

> winter shows just how smart they were.

>

> They said not to take more than double, as too much can be toxic -

> also, even though some of our foods are fortified with Vitamin D,

it's not

> enough.

>

> I take a supplement every day, and I feel it helps - besides, the

> supplement is very inexpensive, and I know it can't hurt either.

>

> d

> In southern Ontario Canada

>

[Guest guest]

Did you make your light box, or where did you get it?

Diane

At 06:19 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:

>I have a light box that I use in the winter. It does seem to help. I live

>in Michigan and sometimes in the winter we go weeks with out seeing the sun.

>I have been pretty depressed lately and haven't been using mine. I will

>have to sit in front of it for a while tomorrow and see if it happens!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I bought mine from a counsellor who deals with SAD and depression.

They are generally available (around here anyway) at almost any

lighting store. What you're looking for is something that throws at

least 10,000 lumens at 18 " in a full spectrum cool light. They come

with instructions, or you can get the instructions on the web.

For SAD in general, start the light in the early fall (October-ish)

for 1/2 hour early in the day (as early as possible). If you

already have SAD this season, start the light but don't feel bad if

you don't get 'miracle results' immediately. The hormones involved

have a 'turn-around time' (kinda like 'give me 40 acres and I'll

turn this rig around!') and it takes a bit for them to change over.

It will bring you out earlier in the spring though, if you start now.

Someone else also asked about outside light. For SAD in particular

(and depression in general), you DON'T need to expose your arms,

back, etc. to the sun to get benefits from being outside (which is a

GOOD thing for us cold Canadians!) Specifically, your EYES must be

uncovered (no sunglasses) and you should be outside for 1/2 hour

between 10am and 2pm every day.

Most of this is off depression and SAD websites - lots of good info

out there!

>

> Did you make your light box, or where did you get it?

>

> Diane

[Guest guest]

I bought my light box from the Visiting Nursing Store that is an outlet of

our hospital. It costs about 100.00 but it is worth it!

-- Re: Re: Sunbathing and weight loss

Did you make your light box, or where did you get it?

Diane

At 06:19 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:

>I have a light box that I use in the winter. It does seem to help. I

live

>in Michigan and sometimes in the winter we go weeks with out seeing the sun

>I have been pretty depressed lately and haven't been using mine. I will

>have to sit in front of it for a while tomorrow and see if it happens!

>

>

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