Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Mel Siff: < *** Entirely! According to the standard definition as used in biomechanics, flexibility still refers to the " functional " Range of Movement (ROM) of a given JOINT, whether or not the tissues associated with that joint have low or high mechanical extensibility or a high K (elasticity constant). > Van Mol: Thank you for the lesson Dr Siff, but you are preaching to the choir. The remark was merely intended to rectify your statement where you said that muscles were not the cause of the lack of flexibility, where you yourself now agree it does, as part of the joint. I do not doubt your expertise in the matter one bit, just making the addition that you perhaps overlooked in your original statement. Mel Siff: *** Nothing whatsoever was overlooked in my definition of flexibility - when I wrote my original letter, I was fully aware of the nature of flexibility and, as I again explained in my expanded definition, ROM = f (S, T, N), which everyone in the choir knows includes implicit involvement of the soft tissues. There is absolutely no need for " rectification " or addition - flexibility is Range of Movement, irrespective of whether the joint is made of muscles, ligaments, skin, rubber, or steel wire. Mel Siff wrote: <Note that I have chosen to use the term " extensible " instead of elastic (or viscoelastic) here, because the length of the soft tissues associated with the range of movement of a joint involves both contractile muscles and non-contractile connective tissues such as ligaments and tendons (and........ > Van Mol: Thank you for the lesson, but I can name the all the ligaments of all major joints off the top of my head, including origin and attachments. Like yourself no doubt, systematic anatomy was my favorite class. *** I was not referring to anatomy per se, but the biomechanical properties of the tissues and how they alter in response to different conditions of activity, with special reference to the underlying physics of the respective materials in terms of elasticity, viscoelasticity, plasticity, Young's modulus, Poisson's ratio and so forth - all of which can change during muscle activity. Sadly, these topics are rarely covered in any anatomy classes. Actually, while anatomy has always been fascinating, relativity physics and electrodynamics were much closer to being my favourite subjects, but eventually they took a somewhat back seat to biomechanics. Mel Siff wrote: <Incidentally, research indicates that the contribution to ROM due to tissue extensibility usually is small compared with the contribution due to neural factors (which also govern the degree of tension in any associated muscles and therefore, the " extensibility " of the muscles). > Van Mol Interesting. So what you are saying is that the lack of flexibility caused by, say a tight hamstring, would find its origin in the n. tibialis L5-S1 rather than the characteristics of the hamstring muscles, including length and thickness ? Could you perhaps throw some of this research my way as I'm having trouble comprehending the notion. *** As I have stated before, the tension in any muscle is a function of skeletal architecture, mechanical properties of all the tissues associated with a joint and the degree of tension in any of those tissues, as determined by neural activation and structural length. I did not state any " either-or " scenario, as you imply, but one in which several factors can all play a significant role. Sever all neural supply to the muscles and see how the contractile actin-myosin structure contributes to " flexibility " - the latter then will depend solely on passive soft tissues such as connective tissue in the muscle complex, tendons and ligaments. No research at all is necessary to reach this basic conclusion, but if you would like some relevant references, begin by consulting the two books that I cite a little later on. Mel Siff wrote: <.... not the properties of its components. If we wished to express this in mathematical terms: Flexibility = ROM = f (S, T, N) ....where f (....) means " a function of " . S refers to skeletal structural factors, T refers to tissue extensibility (including T1 = contractile........ > Van Mol: In mathematical terms then, the properties of a single component can alter the outcome of the complete equation. Or am I so wrong in assuming that ? *** That is how a mathematical " function " of several variables operates - yes! This is no assumption; this is the basic definition of a function in mathematics. Even without referring to the shorthand involved in that equation, there is plenty of research which confirms that changes in any of those three factors in parentheses will cause a change in ROM. See books such as el & Nordin, 'Basic Biomechanics of the Skeletal System' or Fung, 'Biomechanics: Mechanical Properties of Living Tissue' Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA Supertraining/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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