RE: warrior diet question - how long the undereating phase

[Guest guest]

I have been on the WD for about a month now and have kept pretty quiet about

it, just reading with interest everyone's questions and answers and changing

as more info comes to light.

The reason I tried it was for pure convenience - I have three children, a

business to run, a web site to tend to and investments to follow and frankly

was getting sick of all the washing up. It seemed I spent almost 2 hours

daily at the sink. So I gave the WD a go and found that I have heeeeeeaps

more energy now and am much less of a cranky mum. I realise now that three

meals a day and snacks left me feeling tired. I seem to feel more positive

also - not so hassled - there seems to be more space to learn and change

also - perhaps due to more efficient digestion.

Joanne

Re: warrior diet question - how long the

undereating phase

> >> what are the rest of you doing to make sure you don't go over the 18

hour

> mark for the undereating phase? ori says something to the effect that it's

> counterproductive if you go over 18 hours. perhaps that's why i've often

> been so hungry during the undereating phase.

> i just haven't been able to get my eating schedule to fit his plan to

well. <<

>

> Suze, just wondering... WHY are you trying this? I understand why Heidi

is, and it seems to me that others are doing it out of curiousity, but what

are your specific reasons for giving this a try?

>

> I have had my best energy, most stable blood sugar, most fat loss, best

moods, best health, since eating three meals plus a snack a day, never going

more than six waking hours without eating, and of course, doing the high

fat/low carb thing. I feel fantastic after workouts, in the morning - pretty

much all the time. Did you try this and it not work for you? Because IMO for

most women (again, obviously this wasn't true for Heidi and I'm sure for

others too), the long undereating phase followed by the one big meal of the

" Warrior Diet " is a recipe for insulin resistance and blood sugar swings.

>

> Curiously yours,

>

> Christie

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:18:41 -0700

" Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote:

the long undereating phase followed by the one big meal of the " Warrior

Diet " is a recipe for insulin resistance and blood sugar swings.

>

>Curiously yours,

>

>Christie

From my limited experience, hanging around on various message boards,

the several women in my family who have now adopted the WD, and some of

the testimonials in this group, blood sugar swings and insulin

resistance do not seem to be a problem.

If it were, I think the WD would be totally discredited since he states

very directly that it is designed to deal with such issues.

The Discovery of a Warrior Queen

http://tinyurl.com/o25i

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:03:13 -0700

" Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote:

So I wanted to just put out there, that there are more ways than the WD

approach to get the same benefit, with again, the caveat that everyone

is different. If someone tries WD and doesn't get the benefits they are

looking for, there ARE other things to try.

####Since the WD goes against just about everything out there nutritionally

in terms of timing, I don't think your approach needs to be put out

there, in fact it is quite well known. It is the WD that is the new bad

boy on the block, LOL!

The Discovery of a Warrior Queen

http://tinyurl.com/o25i

[Guest guest]

> What is he eating during the day when he does eat something?

---> apple, jerky, raw cheese, smoothie (egg yolks, plain yogurt,

banana, coconut oil and milk), carrots

> What does he do when he is hungry?

---> he eats the above snacks until he runs out, the he goes hungry

until dinner

> Does he exercise at all, specifically lifting weights?

---> yes, but not much; we run twice a week and he is increasing the

amount of weight lifting - do you think weight lifting will be more

beneficial than running 3 miles?

> Does he take any of the recommended supplements?

---> no; he takes CLO, butter oil, and primrose oil

> Does he drink any fresh juices during the day?

---> no

> Has he attempted to stretch himself at the evening meal?

---> if you mean gorge, yeah, he's occasionally really packed it

in; I can't really tell if it helps. I do eat more than him almost

every night; I'm 5'2, 135 lbs (ten pounds lighter than last time I

typed this thanks to the WD) and I out eat him every night.

> What exactly is he eating at the feast meal?

---> I structure the evening meal like this:

raw appitizers

salad

omelet, bacon, or sausage

small bowl of broth based soup

meat, cooked and fermented veggies (almost always broccoli and kraut)

potato (either irish or sweet) or red beans and rice

He participates to some extent on each course except the salad

> Has he read the book?

---> no; he hates reading health books and prefers to just copy what

I eat (he's a chemical engineer and reads the great classics of

literature for fun, but won't sit down and read a thin health book -

go figure)

> It might, but you and he might be better served applying the

protocol of

> the adaptation phase laid out in the book.

---> yeah, he seems to be able to undereat without being hungry some

days, but not others. some days he has to eat so many snacks that I

would hesitate to call it the WD. I was thinking he may need to do

the WD only a few days per week for awhile. Do you know if it's

normal to not lose weight for several weeks?

Cara

[Guest guest]

,

> > Two: since all foods promote insulin, it might be extrapolated

that

> the

> > benefit to insulin sensitivity would be increased by fasting from

> moderate or

> > low-insulin foods as well.

>

> How is this any more justified than extrapolating from the CR

> experiments that the benefit to insulin sensitivity would be

increased

> by eating lesser amounts of moderate or low-insulin foods?

It isn't, except that the variable is better isolated in the F/F

experiment. IOW, if the problem is insulin then you could follow any

route to increase insulin senstivity that has validity, therefore

making the calorie-count only indirectly operative. Furthermore,

even if the two or three approaches are all shown to be equal, it

becomes a matter of lifestyle, and few people would opt for CR, but

it would be a choice, and furthermore, if the gains for insulin

sensitivity are equivalent, you would be getting more nutrition on a

non-CR diet.

Furthermore, CR is obviously incompatible with, say, lifting weights,

which has enormous benefits in terms of enjoying life-- better

confidence, less effort put into walking up stairs or opening doors,

and better sex.

> > Two is less clear, but it more logically follows from one than the

> idea that

> > the *opposite* effect would occur with moderate- or low-insulin

foods,

> since

> > the apparent mechanism to increase insulin sensitivity is going

> through periods

> > where insulin is not secreted in response to food.

>

> I meant that it might have the opposite effect on lifespan, not

> necessarily the opposite effect on insulin sensitivity, and all I

really

> meant by that is that we just don't have enough information to draw

> conclusions from these experiments about the effects of fasting with

> superior foods.

Right, but given the current theories that are based on both CR and

non-CR experiments, if insulin is primarilyn operative, then, while

not proven false, that is highly improbably, and probability leans in

the opposite direction.

Chris