RE: Re: warrior diet question - how long the undereating phase

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>Not losing any weight

>and being hungry makes me think that his body just won't kick

>into " burn your own fat/glycogen " mode.

I'd tend to agree. What I do when I'm hungry is work out ...

that tends to get things moving. Or have a bite of jerky. But

if he's hungry ... he should EAT. Have some fruit or salad

or meat. No point in starving ...

I also think Suze's comments about the 18 hour gap

are good ... THAT gives a 6 hour eating " window "

not just one gonzo meal. My eating time rather

stretches out ... the idea is NOT one big meal but

rather leisurely feasting.

-- Heidi

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>>>We're going to experiment with some things to see if

anything helps.

---->Cara, please let us know how your experiments go!

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That's good to hear.

What I have read of the Warrior Diet it's not for me. I'm a die-hard Atkins

addict. ;-) Have been since his first book in the 1970s. Now if I would

follow it enough to lose weight and not just feel good I'd have it made!

But I'm doing better. Hubby has joined me and it makes it much easier with

company.

Enjoy! ;-)

Judith Alta

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--- In , " Judith Alta " <judith@j...>

wrote:

> I have read that weight lost during fasting is more muscle than fat.

Is this

> true? If so I would think the Warrior Diet, as described here, would

be

> counterproductive.

>

> Judith Alta

It probably isn't true in regards to WD, because WD is not extended

fasting, but a daily cycle that includes feasting, so you are

theoretically eating the same amount of calories.

Moreover, since it is endorsed by professional weight lifters and

other muscular folks, this is highly unlikely.

Furthermore, I haven't lost any weight, seem to have gained muscle,

and seemed to hav elost a little fat. My weight lifting has not

suffered.

Chris

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:36:55 -0000

" carahill1 " <carahill1@...> wrote:

>Suze,

>My husband went on the WD two weeks ago after witnessing my success.

>He complains every day that he is starving all day long and he can't

>eat a very big meal in the evening – just the size he ate when he ate

>three meals a day.

What is he eating during the day when he does eat something?

What does he do when he is hungry?

Does he exercise at all, specifically lifting weights?

Does he take any of the recommended supplements?

Does he drink any fresh juices during the day?

Has he attempted to stretch himself at the evening meal?

What exactly is he eating at the feast meal?

Has he read the book?

He isn't much overweight, ten pounds and it's all

>around his midsection. In two weeks he has not lost any weight at

>all. He eats exactly what I eat and I've lost about fifteen pounds

>so I'm pretty sure it's not what he's eating.

Maybe, maybe not. What does he eat?

Not losing any weight

>and being hungry makes me think that his body just won't kick

>into " burn your own fat/glycogen " mode. I talked him into sticking

>with it a couple more weeks because I think it's important for the

>body to use it's reserves, and it makes me think that maybe his body

>isn't working quite right. The WD is the only way we can gauge

>whether his body starts being able to use it's own reserves. I had

>wondered if any of the " stubborn fat " protocol in Ori's book would

>help him adjust to using his own reserves and not be as hungry.

It might, but you and he might be better served applying the protocol of

the adaptation phase laid out in the book.

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:01:30 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>I also think Suze's comments about the 18 hour gap

>are good ... THAT gives a 6 hour eating " window "

>not just one gonzo meal. My eating time rather

>stretches out ... the idea is NOT one big meal but

>rather leisurely feasting.

>

>-- Heidi

>

His numbers are confusing. The pie chart on the website lays it out best.

It is a 20 hour undereating phase with a 4 hour feast period.

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:17:30 -0000

" carahill1 " <carahill1@...> wrote:

>

>> What is he eating during the day when he does eat something?

>---> apple, jerky, raw cheese, smoothie (egg yolks, plain yogurt,

>banana, coconut oil and milk), carrots

Hmmm....as an experiment you might have him try ditching the bananas and

apples and substituting them with berries and see how that affects his

hunger.

>

>> What does he do when he is hungry?

>---> he eats the above snacks until he runs out, the he goes hungry

>until dinner

Why not add some more protein to the mix if he is hungry. Say a chicken

breast or something of that nature.

>

>> Does he exercise at all, specifically lifting weights?

>---> yes, but not much; we run twice a week and he is increasing the

>amount of weight lifting - do you think weight lifting will be more

>beneficial than running 3 miles?

Yes, especially if he is having some hormonal issues.

>

>> Does he take any of the recommended supplements?

>---> no; he takes CLO, butter oil, and primrose oil

He might want to check out what Ori recommends and then adjust them to

fit NT standards. For example Ori is big on whey and colostrum. Adding

these might help as well as some other items he mentions.

>

>> Does he drink any fresh juices during the day?

>---> no

I would do this rather than go hungry during the adaptation phase. You

can phase off of them later if you like.

>

>> Has he attempted to stretch himself at the evening meal?

>---> if you mean gorge, yeah, he's occasionally really packed it

>in; I can't really tell if it helps. I do eat more than him almost

>every night; I'm 5'2, 135 lbs (ten pounds lighter than last time I

>typed this thanks to the WD) and I out eat him every night.

How big is your husband? If you are out eating him most nights that

may surely pose a problem. One of the reasons that Ori recommends eating

a lot is that a large meal increases metabolism.

>

>> What exactly is he eating at the feast meal?

>---> I structure the evening meal like this:

>raw appitizers

>salad

>omelet, bacon, or sausage

>small bowl of broth based soup

>meat, cooked and fermented veggies (almost always broccoli and kraut)

>potato (either irish or sweet) or red beans and rice

>

>He participates to some extent on each course except the salad

Like I said, if you are out eating him that could be one of the problems.

>

>> Has he read the book?

>---> no; he hates reading health books and prefers to just copy what

>I eat (he's a chemical engineer and reads the great classics of

>literature for fun, but won't sit down and read a thin health book -

>go figure)

LOL! Well the WD book is not thin but I understand your point.

Unfortunately we are usually down on the things we are not up on, and

the WD does require a certain understanding and intentionality, IMO, to

really be successful with it long term.

It would be very helpful if he just read the first half of the book and

could understand the goals of the WD, which go far beyond weight loss.

One could even say it is not primarily about weight loss at all.

>

>> It might, but you and he might be better served applying the

>protocol of

>> the adaptation phase laid out in the book.

>---> yeah, he seems to be able to undereat without being hungry some

>days, but not others.

That suggests to me he is making progress, but he may not grasp that

without understanding the philosophy of the diet, and a bad attitude

will certainly undermine his efforts.

some days he has to eat so many snacks that I

>would hesitate to call it the WD.

And you know on those days that might be okay. Some days Ori says he has

eaten half a chicken during the undereating phase. The WD is quite

flexible.

I was thinking he may need to do

>the WD only a few days per week for awhile. Do you know if it's

>normal to not lose weight for several weeks?

>

>Cara

I think it will vary from person to person. I think your husbands

adaptation of the diet is probably lacking somewhat so that may slow his

progress. On the other hand, what you describe sounds like some of the

things people go through as they are making the transition.

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>Unfortunately we are usually down on the things we are not up on,

Like atheism? ;->

(Sorry, sorry, I REALLY don't want to open that can of worms again!)

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