Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I recently obtained some ambrette seed oil (CO2 extracted)for the first time...and find it incredibly dissapointing. Far from the exciting musky scent I was hoping for, it is merely slightly nutty a bit like any nut cooking oil. It's scent really isn't strong enough to be any kind of base and I can't at present see what it would do to improve any other oils either...it's just sort of weak and buttery.... So I thought I'd ask around and see if i've just got hold of a very uninspiring lot, or if ambrette is really supposed to be like this. (The company it came from is a small Australian one...and all the other oils I purchased from them are very good quality) Ambrosia http://www.perfumebynature.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 On Jun 30, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Ambrosia wrote: > I recently obtained some ambrette seed oil (CO2 extracted)for the > first > time...and find it incredibly dissapointing. Far from the exciting > musky > scent I was hoping for, it is merely slightly nutty a bit like any nut > cooking oil. It's scent really isn't strong enough to be any kind of > base and I can't at present see what it would do to improve any other > oils either...it's just sort of weak and buttery.... > So I thought I'd ask around and see if i've just got hold of a very > uninspiring lot, or if ambrette is really supposed to be like this. > (The company it came from is a small Australian one...and all the > other > oils I purchased from them are very good quality) > > Ambrosia > http://www.perfumebynature.com.au People talk about the floral aspects of ambrette. All I get is wet concrete, and it doesn't change. It's a great neutral fixative, as it last forever. I get no muskiness whatsoever, whatever muskiness in fact smells like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Adam Gottschalk wrote: > On Jun 30, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Ambrosia wrote: > >> I recently obtained some ambrette seed oil (CO2 extracted)for the >> first >> time...and find it incredibly dissapointing. Far from the exciting >> musky >> scent I was hoping for, it is merely slightly nutty a bit like any nut >> cooking oil. It's scent really isn't strong enough to be any kind of >> base and I can't at present see what it would do to improve any other >> oils either...it's just sort of weak and buttery.... >> Ambrosia >> http://www.perfumebynature.com.au >> > > People talk about the floral aspects of ambrette. All I get is wet > concrete, and it doesn't change. It's a great neutral fixative, as it > last forever. I get no muskiness whatsoever, whatever muskiness in > fact smells like. Ambrosia, Adam - I'll answer you both here. I have found ambrette CO2s and EOs rather boring. Some of the absolutes are quite powerful, musky, soapy, creamy and round. All are a bit nutty, btw, and that nuttiness can go rancid! Whatever version you have, mix a little 195 proof alcohol in to help preserve it. The CO2 may have been produced for the flavoring industry, as most CO2s are, and they wanted the nuttiness aspect. If you get a strong absolute, or even better, a strong tincture that you make yourself, you will see a difference in odor intensity and drydown, the two factors you seem to be stating you're looking for. Adam is right in that there is a bit of neutral fixative - in the weaker EOs, for example. I smelled a perfume at WF the other day, and mercy, they just filled that bottle with MA and it was strong and phew! Poor perfumery, but showed the power of ambrette. Tincturing the seeds is easy, inexpensive, and you can recharge them to get a strong product. The tinctured whole seeds smell quite different (floral musky) from the tinctured ground seeds - the latter are more nutty. Adam, you may have a slight anosmia if you don't pick up on the musk - if you are evaluating a strong absolute or tincture. MA contains macrocylic musk, one of only two plant sources for it, and some folks are anosmic to it. Others pick it up easily, so it's easy to overdose a perfume. Also, it " grows " in a perfume. Ambrosia, you may have trouble getting MA seed in AU. Check with herbal suppliers there, and try to make your own tincture. Used properly, the right MA can provide a smooth bridge between T/M/B notes and truly fix and prolong the drydown. -- Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes, consultation Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates 1500+ member Natural Perfumery group - / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 > > Tincturing the seeds is easy, inexpensive, and you can recharge them to > get a strong product. The tinctured whole seeds smell quite different > (floral musky) from the tinctured ground seeds - the latter are more nutty. Has anyone tinctured musk mallow seeds? How does it compare to the ambrette seed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 wrote: >In searching for Abelmoschus moschatus seeds I found both on somaluna.com, >has anyone ordered from them? Ambrette seeds (Abelmoschus moschatus) must be freshly harvested to be usable by a perfumer. They seem to loose their strength quickly. You may find a few sellers of it such as Soma Luna, but their seeds may not be so fresh. The best and freshest Ambrette seeds that I have ever had were those purchased from our List Mom, Anya, who sold them (Anya's Garden) a few years ago. I am sure that if she were ever to sell them again, there would be a big demand for them. Anya, would you be able to get another supply of Ambrette seeds fresh from India in the future? I'm sure they would sell out fast on the Group again like last time. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 > > I recently obtained some ambrette seed oil (CO2 extracted)for the first time...and find it incredibly dissapointing. Far from the exciting musky scent I was hoping for, it is merely slightly nutty a bit like any nut cooking oil....< Ambrosia, I recently got some Ambrette CO2 also, from Liberty Naturals, as Anya recommended them as a source for small amounts of aromatics for our evaluations in her class. It's the only Ambrette I've ever smelled, so not a lot of background experience to share here, but I find it quite musky. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy and...well, it's musky, so you can probably figure out what I mean I haven't blended with it yet, so I don't know its qualities in combination. Interestingly, hubby can't smell anything in it at all: in the bottle, he says he smells the bottle's cap; on a test strip, he smells the paper, nothing else at all. He's a big fan of musk, also, which is odd, but it must be as Anya pointed out & I've read about, that it's a type that some people are anosmic to. Anyway, the one I got is from Liberty Naturals, and it is labeled " Indian Ambrette- Musk Select C02 " . Small, inexpensive amounts are available, so you could try it without too much risk. I'm looking forward to getting some fro other companies, I just really like it a lot. Very much. Quite a bit.....hee hee! -leavesofjoy/Micah www.al-kemi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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