RE: race is a *social* construct (was OT libertarian demog...

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In a message dated 9/8/03 12:53:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> I haven't heard it used to justify American slavery, but only to point

> out that no race has a monopoly on sin (are you listening Louis

> Farrahkan, lol!) But given human nature I don't doubt people do that and

> have done that.

They typical justification for slavery wasn't " hey, we bought them fair and

square " but was generally that blacks are the descendants of Ham, who Noah

cursed, saying he would be a servant to his other brothers, or his descendants

would be to theirs, or something like that.

Chris

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Definitely not universal, and goes back to the original colonists of

Africa-- blacks. That is, the Bantu, who after developing agriculture,

conquered

most of Africa, hence the more monolithically " black " continent we are familiar

with. And they completely wiped out the Pygmie language, so that all Pygmies

speak the language of the agriculturalist blacks who live nearest them and no

longer have a language of their own.

Of course to say that that justifies and racially or linguistically

stratified society somewhere else in the world is preposterous.

Chris

In a message dated 9/8/03 10:11:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> speaking of viewing things in a broader context, i think that not only goes

> for american slavery but the general themes of political and economic

> dominance by any given group in power and its relations to groups with less

> power in these arenas, historically and currrently. IOW, it's also not

> unique to america that we have a particular culture and language of power,

> which all citizens most negotiate and/or master in order to gain access to

> the nation's resources (ie; power). AFAIK, that's a fairly universal

> phenomenon throughout the world. and it's also probably not unique to

> america that this power was largely obtained through centuries of

> colonialism and slavery. and that the group in power historically has viewed

> their culture and language as superior to others (whether consciously or

> subconsciosly),rather than realizing that it just happens to be the one with

> the power at this given moment and time in history, and is not inheritantly

> better or worse than any other group's culture or language. that obviously

> is a parochial view as well, which i'd guess is also fairly universal to the

> groups in power in other nations, and not unique to america.

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Roosevelt

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In a message dated 9/8/03 5:19:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ----->did you mean definitely not " unique " (to american)?

>

yep. :-P

chris

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>>>>>Definitely not universal, and goes back to the original colonists of

Africa-- blacks.

----->did you mean definitely not " unique " (to american)?

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:37:39 EDT

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/8/03 12:53:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> slethnobotanist@... writes:

>

> > I haven't heard it used to justify American slavery, but only to point

> > out that no race has a monopoly on sin (are you listening Louis

> > Farrahkan, lol!) But given human nature I don't doubt people do that and

> > have done that.

>

> They typical justification for slavery wasn't " hey, we bought them fair and

> square " but was generally that blacks are the descendants of Ham, who Noah

> cursed, saying he would be a servant to his other brothers, or his descendants

> would be to theirs, or something like that.

>

> Chris

>

Yeah and even that is bogus because the curse was on one of Ham's *sons*,

Canaan, father of the Canaanites, from whom Black Africans did not

descend.

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