Sam saw the 'Brushing Man' again this week

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We missed our appointment in the summer due to being poorly, so we haven't been for review since end July.

The immature reflexes in Sam's spine are now both resolved! We have seen great improvements in gross motor skills since we have been doign the therapy. They wern't bad but are now almost 'normal'. He went from looking kinda clumsy on a 3 wheeled scooter to posing on a micro scooter and taking corners smoothly and frightening speeds lol - NOT!

His pupil response has normalised and his eye tracking has improved a lot (I didn;t even know that was an issue)

He went through a stage of being accident prone which isn't like him at all. The chap explained that he has been used to holding his body in not quite the right position for years - he has had adult patients explain the feelings, so for a while there he was getting used to being the right way up.

We have skipped a few exercises and moved on to speech and fine motor - well actually he said just to do the hands because he thought the face as well would be too much for both of us (Sam has just bitten me very severely on the shoulder because for once in his life he decided he didn't want his t-shirt off).

He said he thinks Sams levels of frustration are increasing as his cognition improves and he stills lacks spoken language, I agree with him.

Anyway, if we are getting to the good bit, I want to do it right - which means doing face and hands in same sequence - so voila, after a shakey start he is accepting 20 strokes on face an 25 on each hand. I can already see a reduction in the response to the 'newborn hand grasp' relfex which he has retained.

Yesterday I was at the Osteo's for me, he was asking about the brushing man and said he knew him and had done peadiatruc training with him. What he said that made a whole lot of sense to me, was that by resolving these retained or immature reflexes we are allowing the brain and body to develop. That by having these reflexes keeps them in kind of a loop development wise, it blocks progress, they can;t learn new things because the old reflex keeps the immature behaviour going. I am not explainign this well, but it was one of those light bulb moments for me because I didn't understand WHY I was doign this stuff, just that it had helped a mates child, it seemed to be helping mine and I couldn't see what harm it could do

Anways, 75 brush strokes is a lot before school in the morning so I shall respectably request that they do the morning set at school. We have his annual review next wednesday so I let you know how we get on

Mandi x

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this is great Mandi, I know what oy umean about cognition improving and

frustration worsening, I've been feling that with Jay, it's stange to have this

annoying behaviour and yet feel so positive about it!! thanks for the pdf, not

had chance to check it out yet but will do, love Josie xx

>

> We missed our appointment in the summer due to being poorly, so we

haven't

> been for review since end July.

>

> The immature reflexes in Sam's spine are now both resolved! We have seen

> great improvements in gross motor skills since we have been doign the

therapy.

> They wern't bad but are now almost 'normal'. He went from looking kinda

clumsy

> on a 3 wheeled scooter to posing on a micro scooter and taking corners

> smoothly and frightening speeds lol - NOT!

>

> His pupil response has normalised and his eye tracking has improved a lot

(I

> didn;t even know that was an issue)

>

> He went through a stage of being accident prone which isn't like him at all.

> The chap explained that he has been used to holding his body in not quite

> the right position for years - he has had adult patients explain the feelings,

> so for a while there he was getting used to being the right way up.

>

> We have skipped a few exercises and moved on to speech and fine motor -

well

> actually he said just to do the hands because he thought the face as well

> would be too much for both of us (Sam has just bitten me very severely on

the

> shoulder because for once in his life he decided he didn't want his t-shirt

> off).

>

> He said he thinks Sams levels of frustration are increasing as his cognition

> improves and he stills lacks spoken language, I agree with him.

>

> Anyway, if we are getting to the good bit, I want to do it right - which

> means doing face and hands in same sequence - so voila, after a shakey

start he

> is accepting 20 strokes on face an 25 on each hand. I can already see a

> reduction in the response to the 'newborn hand grasp' relfex which he has

retained.

>

> Yesterday I was at the Osteo's for me, he was asking about the brushing

man

> and said he knew him and had done peadiatruc training with him. What he

said

> that made a whole lot of sense to me, was that by resolving these retained

or

> immature reflexes we are allowing the brain and body to develop. That by

> having these reflexes keeps them in kind of a loop development wise, it

blocks

> progress, they can;t learn new things because the old reflex keeps the

immature

> behaviour going. I am not explainign this well, but it was one of those

> light bulb moments for me because I didn't understand WHY I was doign

this stuff,

> just that it had helped a mates child, it seemed to be helping mine and I

> couldn't see what harm it could do

>

> Anways, 75 brush strokes is a lot before school in the morning so I shall

> respectably request that they do the morning set at school. We have his

annual

> review next wednesday so I let you know how we get on

>

> Mandi x

>

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In a message dated 29/10/2006 15:43:46 GMT Standard Time, amsheridan70@... writes:

Is the brushing man doing the same thing as the Wibarger protocol?

>>No this is quite different

Don't know much about it but Steph from Growing minds recommended we look at this protocol for our little guy to help improve gross motor skills and possible verbal dyspraxia.

>>My chap practises out of Windsor and sfield

Have to say not found much detail about it but was wondering if this might be the same idea re retained reflexes etc.

>>I think Wilberger is more about pressure, we have a printable PDF about the Willberger brushing technique on the TA website under sensiry therpaies I think - will be so glad when w get the new site and I can just give you a link instead of directions!

www.TreatingAutism.com

Mandi x

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In a message dated 29/10/2006 18:42:33 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

>>I think Wilberger is more about pressure, we have a printable PDF about the Willberger brushing technique on the TA website under sensiry therpaies I think - will be so glad when w get the new site and I can just give you a link instead of directions!

http://www.talinks.ik.com/

ITS UNDER PHYSICAL THERAPIES

HTHMandi x

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Hi Mandi Is the brushing man doing the same thing as the Wibarger protocol? Don't know much about it but Steph from Growing minds recommended we look at this protocol for our little guy to help improve gross motor skills and possible verbal dyspraxia. Have to say not found much detail about it but was wondering if this might be the same idea re retained reflexes etc. Thanks Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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Is this because Sam has dispraxia? Growing MInds pointed out that

some of TOm's pressure is due to DIspraxia - i.e he spends so much

time concentrating on holding himself upright that it's hard to do

much else. Since we brought in the Tripp Trapp chair he's been so

much better.

Skin brushing (sounds lovely, who does the mums?) is it on specific

areas? Tom's got rubbish muscle tone - apart from enviable abs from

all that trampoline work.

Steph x

>

> We missed our appointment in the summer due to being poorly, so we

haven't

> been for review since end July.

>

> The immature reflexes in Sam's spine are now both resolved! We

have seen

> great improvements in gross motor skills since we have been doign

the therapy.

> They wern't bad but are now almost 'normal'. He went from looking

kinda clumsy

> on a 3 wheeled scooter to posing on a micro scooter and taking

corners

> smoothly and frightening speeds lol - NOT!

>

> His pupil response has normalised and his eye tracking has

improved a lot (I

> didn;t even know that was an issue)

>

> He went through a stage of being accident prone which isn't like

him at all.

> The chap explained that he has been used to holding his body in

not quite

> the right position for years - he has had adult patients explain

the feelings,

> so for a while there he was getting used to being the right way up.

>

> We have skipped a few exercises and moved on to speech and fine

motor - well

> actually he said just to do the hands because he thought the face

as well

> would be too much for both of us (Sam has just bitten me very

severely on the

> shoulder because for once in his life he decided he didn't want

his t-shirt

> off).

>

> He said he thinks Sams levels of frustration are increasing as

his cognition

> improves and he stills lacks spoken language, I agree with him.

>

> Anyway, if we are getting to the good bit, I want to do it right -

which

> means doing face and hands in same sequence - so voila, after a

shakey start he

> is accepting 20 strokes on face an 25 on each hand. I can already

see a

> reduction in the response to the 'newborn hand grasp' relfex which

he has retained.

>

> Yesterday I was at the Osteo's for me, he was asking about the

brushing man

> and said he knew him and had done peadiatruc training with him.

What he said

> that made a whole lot of sense to me, was that by resolving these

retained or

> immature reflexes we are allowing the brain and body to develop.

That by

> having these reflexes keeps them in kind of a loop development

wise, it blocks

> progress, they can;t learn new things because the old reflex keeps

the immature

> behaviour going. I am not explainign this well, but it was one of

those

> light bulb moments for me because I didn't understand WHY I was

doign this stuff,

> just that it had helped a mates child, it seemed to be helping

mine and I

> couldn't see what harm it could do

>

> Anways, 75 brush strokes is a lot before school in the morning so

I shall

> respectably request that they do the morning set at school. We

have his annual

> review next wednesday so I let you know how we get on

>

> Mandi x

>

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>Hi Mandi and everyone else on this subject!

We had Sams follow up visit this week from AIT and the

neurodevelopmental programme that we did with them during the summer

holidays. Since the programme we have been doing exercises to do

exactly what you are talking about Mandi, getting rid of retained

reflexes.

We have been using a massage ball starting from neck, down right

shoulder, arm, to fingers, and back to each time, naming each body

part, same on left then down back and then legs, feet etc. Also pull

and tug on fingers and lip pulling!! (Sam does give me an old

fashioned look on that one) and face tapping, blowing stuff etc!

Sam generally finds it all very amusing but goes along with it, oh

yes, and very slow swinging in a blanket.

Since all this he has calmed down on the trampolining alot (another

way of trying to get rid of the reflexes apparently) calmer, sleep

better, more with it I would say and better reports from school re

behaviour, losing the plot etc.

So we are pleasantly surprised as had no great expectations (abit

jaded at times after 7 years of ABA, biomed, music therapy, cranial

osteopathy and anything else you can think of, and dolphin therapy -

tee hee!) Good job I did growing minds recently which gave me a

shove in the right direction again to keep going!!

Di x

>

> In a message dated 29/10/2006 18:42:33 GMT Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@...

> writes:

>

> >>I think Wilberger is more about pressure, we have a printable

PDF about

> the Willberger brushing technique on the TA website under sensiry

therpaies I

> think - will be so glad when w get the new site and I can just

give you a link

> instead of directions!

>

>

>

> _http://www.talinks.ik.com/_ (http://www.talinks.ik.com/)

>

> ITS UNDER PHYSICAL THERAPIES

>

> HTH

> Mandi x

>

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This also sounds like a HANDLE program?

My daughter has one, and the UK person is coming over tomorrow for an update..

will let you all know how it goes

x

Re: Sam saw the 'Brushing Man' again this week

>Hi Mandi and everyone else on this subject!We had Sams follow up visit this week from AIT and the neurodevelopmental programme that we did with them during the summer holidays. Since the programme we have been doing exercises to do exactly what you are talking about Mandi, getting rid of retained reflexes.We have been using a massage ball starting from neck, down right shoulder, arm, to fingers, and back to each time, naming each body part, same on left then down back and then legs, feet etc. Also pull and tug on fingers and lip pulling!! (Sam does give me an old fashioned look on that one) and face tapping, blowing stuff etc!Sam generally finds it all very amusing but goes along with it, oh yes, and very slow swinging in a blanket.Since all this he has calmed down on the trampolining alot (another way of trying to get rid of the reflexes apparently) calmer, sleep better, more with it I would say and better reports from school re behaviour, losing the plot etc.So we are pleasantly surprised as had no great expectations (abit jaded at times after 7 years of ABA, biomed, music therapy, cranial osteopathy and anything else you can think of, and dolphin therapy - tee hee!) Good job I did growing minds recently which gave me a shove in the right direction again to keep going!!Di x> > In a message dated 29/10/2006 18:42:33 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... > writes:> > >>I think Wilberger is more about pressure, we have a printable PDF about > the Willberger brushing technique on the TA website under sensiry therpaies I > think - will be so glad when w get the new site and I can just give you a link > instead of directions!> > > > _http://www.talinks.ik.com/_ (http://www.talinks.ik.com/) > > ITS UNDER PHYSICAL THERAPIES> > HTH> Mandi x>

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In a message dated 28/10/2006 22:16:27 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

The immature reflexes in Sam's spine are now both resolved! We have seen great improvements in gross motor skills since we have been doign the therapy. They wern't bad but are now almost 'normal'. He went from looking kinda clumsy on a 3 wheeled scooter to posing on a micro scooter and taking corners smoothly and frightening speeds lol - NOT!

Yay! This great and sounds like good fun for Sam! Very exciting to read the improvements.

He said he thinks Sams levels of frustration are increasing as his cognition improves and he stills lacks spoken language, I agree with him.

We definitely saw this recently. 's language is catching up slowly but his cognition is past his expression and it definitely causes enormous frustration and resulting behaviours. Hope Sam's expressive communication catches up, I would imagine it's a difficult place to be for a child.

Great news, Mandi. Thanks for the update, they are always so inspiring.

Darla

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- HI Mandi,

I had a chance to read your e-mail last night.I am glad that Sam is

making good progress.YOur words made also sense to me about the therapy .

Once I took my son for AIT in Guildford,there was a Sunflower

method(kinesikoloji) in practice.We tried a few sessions ,then

stopped.But your brushing man techniques doesn't sound similar the one

which I had experienced with.

If you don't mind,could you tell us what is the name of the therapy

and 'contact information with the therapist please.

Thank you.

All the best

nevin

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In a message dated 29/10/2006 18:36:20 GMT Standard Time, mark.grabiec@... writes:

Skin brushing (sounds lovely, who does the mums?) is it on specific areas? Tom's got rubbish muscle tone - apart from enviable abs from all that trampoline work.

>>>Its like a veru fine small paintbrush, in fact that is what it is You use the very lightest touch, holding the end of the brush so lightly between your fingers it can freely swing liek a pedulum. If Sams decided to move it flings across the room lol but he goes and gets it and comes back for more

Mandi x

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In a message dated 30/10/2006 07:48:30 GMT Standard Time, Nevin.Penny@... writes:

If you don't mind,could you tell us what is the name of the therapyand 'contact information with the therapist please.

>> I'm not sure what its called - I think its Neurodevelopmental Therapy.

His Name is , no idea of his qualifications, he works out of sfield and Windsor

07779-144779

Mandi x

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>

>

> >

>

> >>>Its like a veru fine small paintbrush, in fact that is what it

is You

> use the very lightest touch, holding the end of the brush so

lightly between

> your fingers it can freely swing liek a pedulum. If Sams decided

to move it

> flings across the room lol but he goes and gets it and comes back

for more

>

> Mandi x

>

I am fascinated and chuffed for you that Sam is doing well with the

Brushing Man, we used to take Kieran for brushing and do it at home,

but we never really saw much in the way of improvement. It used to

bother him at first, but he did begin to enjoy it. It is the only

thing we have tried that I wonder if we wasted our money, but I know

other people who have been to the same practitioner and swear by it

being responsible for huge improvements for their kids. Horses for

courses I suppose.

Well , happy brushing

Sue