Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 In a message dated 04/10/2006 16:52:40 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes: Shattock referred to him also in a paper he wrote....If there is any basis to this theory then, Theanine and Vitamin K would be helpful...I'd love to do a study on this....Also i found some information about GABA being switched off in brain injury events leading to inflammation. If this also applies to gut injury, we may have somthing interesting here. >>>Big Lottery Fund have 25 million up for grabs for medical research - you can put proposal in now but funds not released till next year Apply Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi , You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already - you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being high in glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey right to be concerned about glutamate. Regards to you & sunny (?) Swansea Sharon > > Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K ( THANK-YOU for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I think that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid, should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen. > > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just in the brain. > > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess. However I am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a food reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few days > > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source. > > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an appointment.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Sharon! Geez, I just remembered you were supposed to come to Swansea this summer and I was supposed to check into HBOT here. Forgot about the HBOT...Were you able to arrange anything? Really sorry.. I came across some old articles by a man named DOHAN here in the UK who theorized that the schizophrenic behaviour was due to the glutamates/proline in wheat and cassein. Shattock referred to him also in a paper he wrote....If there is any basis to this theory then, Theanine and Vitamin K would be helpful...I'd love to do a study on this....Also i found some information about GABA being switched off in brain injury events leading to inflammation. If this also applies to gut injury, we may have somthing interesting here. When are you next up in Copperopulis? Glutamate - Hi ,You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already - you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being high in glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey right to be concerned about glutamate.Regards to you & sunny (?) SwanseaSharon>> Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K ( THANK-YOU for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I think that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid, should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen.> > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just in the brain. > > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess. However I am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a food reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few days> > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source.> > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an appointment..> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I need to finish my PhD first if I ever get that far with everything happening in the background here. For the moment, I'll do what I can through the uni but in the future, your idea sounds. I have always fantasized about holding one million dollar bills in my hand...if only... Thanks for the idea. Let's see what happens .. Re: Glutamate - In a message dated 04/10/2006 16:52:40 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1btinternet writes: Shattock referred to him also in a paper he wrote....If there is any basis to this theory then, Theanine and Vitamin K would be helpful...I'd love to do a study on this....Also i found some information about GABA being switched off in brain injury events leading to inflammation. If this also applies to gut injury, we may have somthing interesting here. >>>Big Lottery Fund have 25 million up for grabs for medical research - you can put proposal in now but funds not released till next year Apply Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi , Did yo mention earlier today that you were going to put together a list of high glutamate foods? If so would you be happy to share with the group as I'd certainly be very keen to know what we should be avoiding!! Many thanks JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > Sharon! > > Geez, I just remembered you were supposed to come to Swansea this > summer and I was supposed to check into HBOT here. Forgot about the > HBOT...Were you able to arrange anything? Really sorry.. > > I came across some old articles by a man named DOHAN here in the UK > who theorized that the schizophrenic behaviour was due to the > glutamates/proline in wheat and cassein. Shattock referred to him also > in a paper he wrote....If there is any basis to this theory then, > Theanine and Vitamin K would be helpful...I' d love to do a study on > this....Also i found some information about GABA being switched off > in brain injury events leading to inflammation. If this also applies > to gut injury, we may have somthing interesting here. > > When are you next up in Copperopulis? > > > > * Glutamate - > > Hi , > > You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already - > you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being high in > glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey > right to be concerned about glutamate. > > Regards to you & sunny (?) Swansea > > Sharon > > > > > > Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and > MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K ( THANK-YOU > for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's > food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in > glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I think > that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid, > should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown > or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and > often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen. > > > > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am > beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of > glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just > in the brain. > > > > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in > terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess. However I > am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a food > reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive > tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few > days > > > > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate > foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES > have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source. > > > > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an > appointment. . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes: I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 , Yes, I will be putting something together. I want to do a food survey on kids, dividing foods up into phenol, glutamate and oxalate based and see if I can correlate them with behaviour. This is what I would like to do but it seems an enormous hair-splitting task, particularly with phenols as levels are affected by cooking, freezing and agricultural practices.. Glutamtes are really interesting. I am beginning to think that cravings intepretation of desire for glutamates. Glutamates give you a buzz but in vulnerable people also affect behaviour negatively.... Top glutamate foods I have found so far are tomatoes wheat (!) milk (!) strawberries parmesan cheese Just think about kids who crave pizzas, They are full of glutamates ( wheat, parmesan, tomatoes)! Add in MSG (I'll bet that is definately in pizza store products) which is like mainling adrenalin and you get a real BIG buzz. My daughter craves pizzas like mad and she still goes absolutely BONKERS on them. * Glutamate - >> Hi ,>> You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already -> you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being high in> glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey> right to be concerned about glutamate.>> Regards to you & sunny (?) Swansea>> Sharon>> > >> > Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and> MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K ( THANK-YOU> for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's> food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in> glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I think> that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid,> should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown> or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and> often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen.> >> > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am> beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of> glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just> in the brain.> >> > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in> terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess. However I> am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a food> reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive> tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few> days> >> > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate> foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES> have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source.> >> > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an> appointment. .> >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Hi J Not very up to date withmy emails and was suddenly thinking earluer, Yasko site they have glutamate values!! then I noticed Shaz has already told you, sigh... Still just thot I'd email you anyway to show what a clever girl I am!! Happy delving cant wiat for your take on it all. Lotsa love Caroline xxx PS Theresa is off to the Yasko conference so if you got any questions pass em on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Hi , Did you see the email someone put on the group today from Yasko's site ? This contains lists of foods containing MSG and free and bound glutamate. Do you know what the difference is between free and bound, and if so are both to be avoided as the list is pretty extensive? with many thanks JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > , > > Yes, I will be putting something together. I want to do a food survey > on kids, dividing foods up into phenol, glutamate and oxalate based > and see if I can correlate them with behaviour. This is what I would > like to do but it seems an enormous hair-splitting task, particularly > with phenols as levels are affected by cooking, freezing and > agricultural practices.. > > Glutamtes are really interesting. I am beginning to think that > cravings intepretation of desire for glutamates. Glutamates give you a > buzz but in vulnerable people also affect behaviour negatively.. .. > > Top glutamate foods I have found so far are > tomatoes > wheat (!) > milk (!) > strawberries > parmesan cheese > > Just think about kids who crave pizzas, They are full of glutamates ( > wheat, parmesan, tomatoes)! > > Add in MSG (I'll bet that is definately in pizza store products) which > is like mainling adrenalin and you get a real BIG buzz. My daughter > craves pizzas like mad and she still goes absolutely BONKERS on them. > > > > > * Glutamate - > > > > Hi , > > > > You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already - > > you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being > high in > > glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey > > right to be concerned about glutamate. > > > > Regards to you & sunny (?) Swansea > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and > > MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K ( > THANK-YOU > > for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's > > food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in > > glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I > think > > that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid, > > should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown > > or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and > > often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen. > > > > > > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am > > beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of > > glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just > > in the brain. > > > > > > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in > > terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess. > However I > > am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a > food > > reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive > > tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few > > days > > > > > > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate > > foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES > > have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source. > > > > > > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an > > appointment. . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Bound means that the digestive system has to open up the bonds so it is not free and easily available, whereas unbound means that you can get an immediate overflow into the system, unencumbered and unrestricted, rather like mainlining adrenalin into the heart! If GABA, the inmhibitory transmitter is not sufficiently abundant, then the net effect would be overexcitement, aggression and I think I understood rages also I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks * Glutamate - > >> > Hi ,> >> > You need to get hold of Amy Yasko's stuff, if you haven't already -> > you are on the same track. She talks about wheat & milk being> high in> > glutamate etc. From what I've read so far, I think you are absolutey> > right to be concerned about glutamate.> >> > Regards to you & sunny (?) Swansea> >> > Sharon> >> > > > >> > > Regarding these meltdowns, I have been researching glutamate and> > MSG the last while as a reuslt of the thread on Vitamin K (> THANK-YOU> > for addressing this subject as it explains a lot of my daughter's> > food reactions!) . I have found out that wheat and milk are high in> > glutamate as well as tomatoes, strawberries and citrus fruit. I> think> > that glutamate, which is, as you all know, an excitatory amino acid,> > should be considered when trying to decide what sparked the meltdown> > or rage/aggression. MSG of course in so many processed foods and> > often disguised (!) so they are hard to screen.> > >> > > There seems to be an overlap of glutamates and phenols and I am> > beginning to think maybe we should be thinking in terms also of> > glutamate. These glutamate receptors are ALL over the body, not just> > in the brain.> > >> > > My daughter gets tummyaches often. I used to think of these in> > terms of stomach migraines which could be serotonin excess.> However I> > am beginning to think that maybe these tummyaches are actually a> food> > reaction wich sets off the glutamate receptors in the digestive> > tract. Just a theory at the mo. I am looking into this the next few> > days> > >> > > I am just in the process of putting together a list of glutamate> > foods as I cannot find anything decent on the net. If anyone DOES> > have a list, I'd LOVE to have the source.> > >> > > Sorry this is rather hastily put together. Gotta run for an> > appointment. .> > >> > > > >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I've just spent some time reading up Yasko. This makes SOOOOO much sense and explains so much.....I really think the phenol problem could be a masked glutamate problem. If I could somehow connect the glutamate with the dilated pupils and the red ears then it would I'd be satisfied...Maybe it's the calcium...that's impacting on the pupil dilatation.... Diving back into the literature... Autism Treatment Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Glutamate - In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1btinternet writes: I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 It would also explain the sensory problems as the end nerves are firing like mad and becoming over-sensitive or the lack of reaction to pain in self-ijury as the nerves becaome deadened..... Re: Glutamate - In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1btinternet writes: I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 In a message dated 05/10/2006 22:37:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes: Can you give me the URL? YaskoEurope/ Theresa has put loads of great stuf fint he files (just like she did here in our 'Desperate' days Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Glad you are looking at this . Why not join the Yasko Europe group? Sharon > > I've just spent some time reading up Yasko. This makes SOOOOO much sense and explains so much.....I really think the phenol problem could be a masked glutamate problem. If I could somehow connect the glutamate with the dilated pupils and the red ears then it would I'd be satisfied...Maybe it's the calcium...that's impacting on the pupil dilatation.... > > Diving back into the literature... > > > Autism Treatment > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: Glutamate - > > > > In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes: > I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks > >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street > Mandi x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I shall surely do that..didn't know there was a Euro-based group... Re: Glutamate - > > > > In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes:> I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks> >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street > Mandi x> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Sharon, Just looked on the lists and cant find YASKO EUROPE. Is this perhaps a private group?? Can you give me the URL? Best, Re: Glutamate - > > > > In a message dated 05/10/2006 12:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes:> I will check out the yasko site. Sharon already suggested it but haven't had a moment to pursue this. Thanks> >>You'll need more than a moment..............there is just sooooooo much there but its right up your street > Mandi x> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Just joined trhat group. Thanks fro the link! Re: Re: Glutamate - In a message dated 05/10/2006 22:37:54 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1btinternet writes: Can you give me the URL? YaskoEurope/ Theresa has put loads of great stuf fint he files (just like she did here in our 'Desperate' days Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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