Re: raw milk & raw cheese ok with candida? HELP!!!!!

[Guest guest]

>i am taking enzymes, and hcl, and fish oil, and super men's blend, and c's and

goldenseal and grape seed extract. (the antioxidants to battle the flu-like

symptoms.)

>i have felt like i have had the flu all week. swollen glands and sore throat.

exhausted. is NOT the flu. all the symptoms seem to measure up to candida ones.

or so i understand.

>

>someone said if i am starving the candida out, and now beginning to attack it

unto the death with herbs, that the bad symptoms can get worse before they get

better. kind of like a detox reaction.

You could also be just plain intolerant to milk -- either the lactose or the

casein. Try avoiding ALL dairy for a week and see if it gets better. Probiotics

seem to work for people for candida better than " starving " them ... Primal

Defense gets mentioned here a lot though I haven't tried it myself.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Louise and others,

I'd stay off the milk and keep the cheese. Milk has lactose, which consists

of galactose and glucose if I'm not mistaken. Glucose I believe feeds

candida, most sugars break into it-- fructose for example is converted to

glucose in

the liver, maltose is broken into glucose in the intestines, etc.

You might also want to consider the problem that if you have a systemic

candida problem you may well have impaired ability to digest disacharides. (such

as

found in milk)

Raw cheese on the other hand, which has legally been fermented for 60 days,

is basically carb-free and is lactose-free.

Cheese including raw is usually shunned on anti-candida diets under the

belief that things that are fermented with fungi feed fungi. I personally

believe

this is crap. Things that are fermented with fungi usually crowd out

overgrown fungi, which is why people have had so much success fighting candida

with

kefir.

I have a systemic infection that I strongly believe to be fungal, and which

many people have told me the symptoms of which are clearly fungal. I noticed

that when I had raw cheese available, the more I ate of it, the more my

symptoms went away. Kefir fermented for 48 hours might also be ok or

beneficial.

The biggest problem with your diet and the biggest reason you should include

cheese and some other foods is because these kinds of diets, in my experience

anyway, will make you lose unhealthy amounts of weight and completely mess you

up mentally and make you feel like crap. I went on a strict anti-candida

diet for a month, lost five of the seven pounds I'd gained from lifting weights,

and had no energy the whole time, which didn't improve until I started

including milk in my diet. I had some kind of skin condition that was covering

basically my entire body. With the diet, colloidal silver, MSM, oil of wild

oregno, oregano vulgare, coconut oil, and caprylic acid, it improved about 10%.

On the other hand, while I was drinking kefir, eating raw cheese, and taking

Primal Defense, I eliminated 95% of my skin condition within several weeks.

I highly recommend not driving yourself insane and including some raw cheese,

and if you can get your hands on kefir grains, 48-hour fermented kefir. I

also highly recomend you include a cellulase supplement (candida and other fungi

are surrounded by cellulose, and your body can digest them and destroy them

with cellulase), such as Fungal Defense (Garden of Life) and I simply can't

recommend more highly to take Primal Defense, based on my own experience.

Good luck and stay well,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Louise,

I agree with Chris. When I was on the candida program I was off

dairy products except white cheese, yogurt, and butter. The reason I

had white cheese is because it has less coloring added.

The old way of thinking for candida sufferers was that they were

allergic to yeasty and fermented foods, but like I think that

is not true. It was definitely a contradiction in terms because on

the other hand the program recommended cabbage rejuvelac, yogurt and

white cheese.

Losing weight can be a real problem. The last 3 weeks before I got

my candida under control I lost 3 lbs. a day and was fading fast.

Like you I was totally at a loss as to " what to eat. " At the time I

had no choice about what to eat, which at the beginning was only 9

foods, because it would come back up. Because my carbohydate intake

was so low I needed more carbs in order to stop losing weight. My

mother came to take care of me and created a buckwheat cake recipe,

without milk, without sugar, etc. that I could tolerate - buckwheat

is not a gluten grain. After that I stopped losing weight but I was

not able to work for a year and a half.

At that time I didn't know about good fats, however I always had my

butter and didn't cut fat off of meats. I took fats supplements,

i.e. Vit. A, D & E and evening primrose oil.

At that time I had a holistic M.D. who gave me vitamins & minerals

intravenously, including calcium/magnesium, B Vitamins and Vitamin

C. That helped a great deal. Many holistic doctors provide this

service.

My doctor also gave me candida allergy shots, formulated by her nurse

in her office. I learned how to give myself the shot, and took one

every day for a year. I also gave myself Vit. B 12 shots. I took

Nystatin to kill off the yeast but I believe there are better

products available such as caprylic acid which is formulated from

coconuts.

Getting candida under control requires doing these things

simultaneously:

1. Killing off the yeast overgrowth.

2. Cutting off the candida food supply.

3. Building up the immune system.

4. Implanting probiotics in the digestive tract.

Some candida programs recommend cleansing, but I believe it is too

drastic and hard for the body to handle, especially in the

beginning. However, I did have enemas periodically, according to

doctor's instructions, including coffee enemas to help the liver dump

toxins, and nystatin and garlic enemas and douches.

Time, patience and consistency are the keys to getting candida under

control. Herring's Laws of natural healing are: 1) symptoms of a

chronic disease disappear in definite order, going in reverse and

taking about one month for every year the symptoms have been present,

2) symptoms move from the more vital organs to the less vital organs;

from the interior of the body towards the skin, and 3) symptoms move

from the top of the body downward. You can check this out by

websearching Herring's Law.

I hope this helps.

Your friendly Bee

> Louise and others,

>

> I'd stay off the milk and keep the cheese. Milk has lactose, which

consists

> of galactose and glucose if I'm not mistaken. Glucose I believe

feeds

> candida, most sugars break into it-- fructose for example is

converted to glucose in

> the liver, maltose is broken into glucose in the intestines, etc.

>

> You might also want to consider the problem that if you have a

systemic

> candida problem you may well have impaired ability to digest

disacharides. (such as

> found in milk)

>

> Raw cheese on the other hand, which has legally been fermented for

60 days,

> is basically carb-free and is lactose-free.

>

> Cheese including raw is usually shunned on anti-candida diets under

the

> belief that things that are fermented with fungi feed fungi. I

personally believe

> this is crap. Things that are fermented with fungi usually crowd

out

> overgrown fungi, which is why people have had so much success

fighting candida with

> kefir.

>

> I have a systemic infection that I strongly believe to be fungal,

and which

> many people have told me the symptoms of which are clearly fungal.

I noticed

> that when I had raw cheese available, the more I ate of it, the

more my

> symptoms went away. Kefir fermented for 48 hours might also be ok

or beneficial.

>

> The biggest problem with your diet and the biggest reason you

should include

> cheese and some other foods is because these kinds of diets, in my

experience

> anyway, will make you lose unhealthy amounts of weight and

completely mess you

> up mentally and make you feel like crap. I went on a strict anti-

candida

> diet for a month, lost five of the seven pounds I'd gained from

lifting weights,

> and had no energy the whole time, which didn't improve until I

started

> including milk in my diet. I had some kind of skin condition that

was covering

> basically my entire body. With the diet, colloidal silver, MSM,

oil of wild

> oregno, oregano vulgare, coconut oil, and caprylic acid, it

improved about 10%.

>

> On the other hand, while I was drinking kefir, eating raw cheese,

and taking

> Primal Defense, I eliminated 95% of my skin condition within

several weeks.

>

> I highly recommend not driving yourself insane and including some

raw cheese,

> and if you can get your hands on kefir grains, 48-hour fermented

kefir. I

> also highly recomend you include a cellulase supplement (candida

and other fungi

> are surrounded by cellulose, and your body can digest them and

destroy them

> with cellulase), such as Fungal Defense (Garden of Life) and I

simply can't

> recommend more highly to take Primal Defense, based on my own

experience.

>

> Good luck and stay well,

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, question on raw cheeses. When you read the ingredients label if it

says " milk " instead of " pasteurized milk " does this mean it's raw cheese?

If not is there any way to tell if they aren't advertising it? Seems to me

with the raw phobia in this country that most people don't want to

advertise it but then again it is becoming more of a demand that we

finally have farmers coming to us to offer milk.

I suspect a candida problem in myself, maybe it is playing a part in my

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Kefir was intolerable to me, as far as taste, until

I finally tried a recipe someone gave me off of here (minus the raw liver...

one thing at a time!). It was great! I loved it. Which is a good

improvement over my previous gag reflex. Also, this batch of kefir was

made with raw milk and smells better to me.

Primal Defense is helping a lot with the IBD. In fact I went off of it for

about a week when I ran out and I was sick and miserable. =( Now I'm

back on it a day and a half and almost " normal " again, which for me isn't

really normal just not sick and/or constipated all the time. Has anyone

used the Fungal Defense to get rid of candida? Is it a waste of my

money?

I got my first doelings last week but they won't be old enough to breed

until *maybe* Christmas, so no milk until summer. I plan to try my hand

at making my own goat's milk cheeses, raw of course. =)

I've been VERY quiet lately as school has me bogged down so if I missed

a previous explanation about the raw cheese/labels thing please excuse

me. =)

Take care all,

Dawn

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In a message dated 9/21/03 12:15:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Basically, no. I think it occasionally does mean it's raw, but in the vast

>

> majority of cases it's pasteurized.

>

> >Ok, question on raw cheeses. When you read the ingredients label if it

> >says " milk " instead of " pasteurized milk " does this mean it's raw cheese?

These are the indications it is raw:

1) The label says " Made from RAW MILK " prominently

2) The store has stuck a big orange sticker on it that reads " RAW MILK "

3) It is in a section devoted to raw milk cheeses.

If they can charge twice as much for a raw milk cheese, the chance they

aren't going to advertise the fact that their cheese is raw is pretty slim.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dawn-

Basically, no. I think it occasionally does mean it's raw, but in the vast

majority of cases it's pasteurized.

>Ok, question on raw cheeses. When you read the ingredients label if it

>says " milk " instead of " pasteurized milk " does this mean it's raw cheese?

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