Re: Oxypowder and probiotics

[Guest guest]

Morning Peta,

I know very little about this but I have read/heard stories about massive doses of probiotics (apparently when they first hit the "possible ASD treatments list" parents were giving them up to 8 or 9 times a day) and they didn't cause any adverse effects. I think it comes down to observation of the benefits of giving the probios. From what I remember, giving so many probios didn't particularly reap any increased benefit, just made for a costly supplement bill! I would imagine that there comes a point of diminishing return where increasing the dosage doesn't cause any further gains.

I know in my son, I can't even give him a whole capsule of any probio, he just gets horribly constipated so I guess the point of diminishing return for him is pretty low.

I didn't seem to need to increase the dosage of probios with oxypowder but I guess again that probably varies according to child.

All the best,

Darla

In a message dated 30/10/2006 20:29:25 GMT Standard Time, peta3366@... writes:

Hi i have been looking back on the posts on oxypowder - I think we need to try it. Is there a standard or recommended amount of probiotics/ other supps that should be given with it? Can you give too many probiotics - we are just giving 1 serving of primal defense daily.We have just had 3 months of yeast problems and I don't want to go back into it again too soon.ThanksPeta

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/10/2006 11:58:57 GMT Standard Time, peta3366@... writes:

Thanks Darla that's interesting what you say about probios and constipation because we recently increased probios and Charlie is not going every day like he was - maybe it is that.

>>Constipation is one of the signs of die off in this situation from what I have read. Sam never had constipation in his life till we started Culturelle. We rotate Culturelle in now but give 1/2 Oxypowder later that day to make sure he doesn;t get bunged up. He can handle 1/2 cap Culturelle without the back up once we have sroted the bugs

FWIW

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

This is something that has bugged me (haha) for a while now. I heard on one of the dan webcasts that probiotics can cause delayed gastric emptying so it is best to give them on an empty stomach. (an important bit of info for those with GERD) but what I have never been able to find out is whether probios cause DGE because they cause reduced gastric motility or because they interact adversely with food (presumably by delaying the breakdown). If they can cause reduced motility then this is a serious problem for some kids and of course could explain the accompanying constipation. (as, however, would gut bugs) anyway...if anyone has any thoughts on this that would be great...

I know that has yeast troubles and we'll be tackling that soon so it's possible that's why the constipation with the probios.

Darla

In a message dated 31/10/2006 12:35:00 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

In a message dated 31/10/2006 11:58:57 GMT Standard Time, peta3366 (DOT) co.uk writes:

Thanks Darla that's interesting what you say about probios and constipation because we recently increased probios and Charlie is not going every day like he was - maybe it is that.

>>Constipation is one of the signs of die off in this situation from what I have read. Sam never had constipation in his life till we started Culturelle. We rotate Culturelle in now but give 1/2 Oxypowder later that day to make sure he doesn;t get bunged up. He can handle 1/2 cap Culturelle without the back up once we have sroted the bugs

FWIW

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/10/2006 13:56:01 GMT Standard Time, peta3366@... writes:

a week ago we finished a course of anti fungals and antibiotics for awful OAT results - and awful behavior! So the die off ties in. I have ordered some oxypowder from you but I'm not sure when to give it ie inbetween meals with probios. I don't fancy the bedtime slot just in case!

>>Is he at school - I forget?

Most folks do bedtime I think.

I was scared Sam might start exploding at 3.00am so I gave it frst thing in the morning.

You would want to do this on holidays or at weekends if he is in school until you figure out how much would be just right for him. I am sure it helps with the gut bugs and well as STS (shifting the S...)

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/10/2006 14:45:34 GMT Standard Time, peta3366@... writes:

Hi yes he is at school so will wait for the weekend. If too many probios cause constipation why give with it - or am I being thick?

>>>If tthe too many probio's are causing back up because of die off you wnat to move it out pronto. I give the Oxypowder first and chase with the probios - so imagining they have a clean slate to cling too not a load of old S.....

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Thanks Darla that's interesting what you say about probios and

constipation because we recently increased probios and Charlie is

not going every day like he was - maybe it is that.

Peta--

- In Autism Treatment , rexel45@... wrote:

>

>

> Morning Peta,

> I know very little about this but I have read/heard stories about

massive

> doses of probiotics (apparently when they first hit the " possible

ASD treatments

> list " parents were giving them up to 8 or 9 times a day) and they

didn't

> cause any adverse effects. I think it comes down to observation

of the benefits

> of giving the probios. From what I remember, giving so many

probios didn't

> particularly reap any increased benefit, just made for a costly

supplement

> bill! I would imagine that there comes a point of diminishing

return where

> increasing the dosage doesn't cause any further gains.

>

> I know in my son, I can't even give him a whole capsule of any

probio, he

> just gets horribly constipated so I guess the point of diminishing

return for

> him is pretty low.

>

> I didn't seem to need to increase the dosage of probios with

oxypowder but I

> guess again that probably varies according to child.

>

> All the best,

> Darla

>

>

>

> In a message dated 30/10/2006 20:29:25 GMT Standard Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> Hi i have been looking back on the posts on oxypowder - I think

we

> need to try it. Is there a standard or recommended amount of

> probiotics/ other supps that should be given with it? Can you

give too

> many probiotics - we are just giving 1 serving of primal defense

daily.

> We have just had 3 months of yeast problems and I don't want to

go

> back into it again too soon.

> Thanks

> Peta

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi

a week ago we finished a course of anti fungals and antibiotics for

awful OAT results - and awful behavior! So the die off ties in. I

have ordered some oxypowder from you but I'm not sure when to give

it ie inbetween meals with probios. I don't fancy the bedtime slot

just in case!

Thanks

Peta - In Autism Treatment , Mum231ASD@...

wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 31/10/2006 11:58:57 GMT Standard Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> Thanks Darla that's interesting what you say about probios and

> constipation because we recently increased probios and Charlie is

> not going every day like he was - maybe it is that.

>

>

>

> >>Constipation is one of the signs of die off in this situation

from what I

> have read. Sam never had constipation in his life till we started

Culturelle.

> We rotate Culturelle in now but give 1/2 Oxypowder later that day

to make

> sure he doesn;t get bunged up. He can handle 1/2 cap Culturelle

without the b

> ack up once we have sroted the bugs

>

> FWIW

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Hi yes he is at school so will wait for the weekend. If too many

probios cause constipation why give with it - or am I being thick?

Thanks

Peta

-- In Autism Treatment , Mum231ASD@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 31/10/2006 13:56:01 GMT Standard Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> a week ago we finished a course of anti fungals and antibiotics

for

> awful OAT results - and awful behavior! So the die off ties in. I

> have ordered some oxypowder from you but I'm not sure when to

give

> it ie inbetween meals with probios. I don't fancy the bedtime

slot

> just in case!

>

>

>

> >>Is he at school - I forget?

>

> Most folks do bedtime I think.

>

> I was scared Sam might start exploding at 3.00am so I gave it

frst thing in

> the morning.

>

> You would want to do this on holidays or at weekends if he is in

school

> until you figure out how much would be just right for him. I am

sure it helps

> with the gut bugs and well as STS (shifting the S...)

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mandi

Peta x-

-- In Autism Treatment , Mum231ASD@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 31/10/2006 14:45:34 GMT Standard Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> Hi yes he is at school so will wait for the weekend. If too many

> probios cause constipation why give with it - or am I being

thick?

>

>

>

> >>>If tthe too many probio's are causing back up because of die

off you wnat

> to move it out pronto. I give the Oxypowder first and chase with

the probios

> - so imagining they have a clean slate to cling too not a load of

old S.....

>

> Mandi x

>