Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 wrote: > Interesting how raw milk is demonized here--although, personally, I > wouldn't want to drink raw milk if I lived in 18th c. Paris either! The best success with animal milk was in places were the goat was brought to the each infant in a huge room of babes and the infant sucked the milk directly from the goat. I don't know how that would work. I haven't milked a goat so I don't know how easy it is to get the milk to flow. Anyway, the big problem with the raw animal milk was the containers they used and the method of feeding the infant. The history of wet nursing is fascinating and heart breaking. Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 At 08:32 AM 9/9/2003, you wrote: >Interesting how raw milk is demonized here--although, personally, I wouldn't want to drink raw milk if I lived in 18th c. Paris either! Although Price found two examples of healthy Europeans (the Swiss and the Irish (I think) Islanders), Europeans are not our best examples....not that this is news to anyone here. The current attitude towards raw milk actually makes sense when you think about the disgusting state of European and American cities of centuries past. > > I don't think a baby can do well with cow milk, raw or otherwise, without supplements. It doesn't have the right nutrient mix. The bit about sending babies off to live with others just floors me ... I'd read it before, but HOW can a woman just give up a baby to be raised by strangers? And what does it do to the kid, to be taken from it's " mom " at the age of 3 or so? No wonder the aristocracy was so screwed up! -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Heidi- Assuming the baby was otherwise healthy and breast milk was not an option, do you think the milk based formula in NT is fatally flawed? Perhaps goat milk would be better? Re aristocracy and wet nursing: no wonder Europe has seen so many ruthless, crazy, and otherwise defective leaders in times past....what's your bet that Barbara breastfed good ol' Dubya herself???????? As for Ashcroft, he must have been sent to live with hyenas or something.... p.s. note the nt relevant nature of this psudo-political post!!!! I don't think a baby can do well with cow milk, raw or otherwise, without supplements. It doesn't have the right nutrient mix. The bit about sending babies off to live with others just floors me ... I'd read it before, but HOW can a woman just give up a baby to be raised by strangers? And what does it do to the kid, to be taken from it's " mom " at the age of 3 or so? No wonder the aristocracy was so screwed up! -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 >Heidi- > >Assuming the baby was otherwise healthy and breast milk was not an option, do you think the milk based formula in NT is fatally flawed? Perhaps goat milk would be better? My Mom made " formula " for babies in the past (as a nurse) and it was milk plus some stuff. I have no idea what exactly is missing from cow milk, but I've heard that several places. However, I'd imagine that adding stuff like egg yolk would more than make up for the lack. I was told that goat milk is ok but doesn't have enought folic acid. I've heard of babies living off kefir though. And other posts are probably correct ... hygeine in those days was just horrid. However, you have to wonder ... if there was a poor democratic peasant woman given Dubya's kid to raise, how much passive-aggressive behaviour would you expect? >Re aristocracy and wet nursing: no wonder Europe has seen so many ruthless, crazy, and otherwise defective leaders in times past....what's your bet that Barbara breastfed good ol' Dubya herself???????? As for Ashcroft, he must have been sent to live with hyenas or something.... Heeheehee (heidi imitating a hyena). Yeah, I bet that is a big part of it. There is also a set of thoughts about the South ... most rich white babies were brought up by black Mamies, and played with the black kids ... then became their masters. That has GOT to mess up your brain. My own theory is that wheat had a lot to do with it too ... having seen some people who really do go crazy eating the stuff. The zonulin that gets produced by folks reacting to wheat makes the gut permeable, so proteins leak into the blood. Zonulin ALSO make the blood-brain barrier permeable. So ... no wonder folks get crazy. We had one prez who popped jellybeans, this one pops pretzels (and passes out?). And there is no connection between politics and food? (And you can get even more radical ... Barabara B. was drinking heavily when she was pregnant with W, and he does show some of the facial features of fetal alcohol syndrome. How many leaders have been ruined by their parent's drinking/drug habits?). > > >p.s. note the nt relevant nature of this psudo-political post!!!! Yes, very relevant! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 There is a good book that discusses the differences in different mammals milk called Milk, Money and Madness. I think they said that asses milk is the closest to human but that asses are really hard to milk. Boy does that sound wierd. Amy Re: New Yorker Article >Heidi- > >Assuming the baby was otherwise healthy and breast milk was not an option, do you think the milk based formula in NT is fatally flawed? Perhaps goat milk would be better? My Mom made " formula " for babies in the past (as a nurse) and it was milk plus some stuff. I have no idea what exactly is missing from cow milk, but I've heard that several places. However, I'd imagine that adding stuff like egg yolk would more than make up for the lack. I was told that goat milk is ok but doesn't have enought folic acid. I've heard of babies living off kefir though. And other posts are probably correct .... hygeine in those days was just horrid. However, you have to wonder ... if there was a poor democratic peasant woman given Dubya's kid to raise, how much passive-aggressive behaviour would you expect? >Re aristocracy and wet nursing: no wonder Europe has seen so many ruthless, crazy, and otherwise defective leaders in times past....what's your bet that Barbara breastfed good ol' Dubya herself???????? As for Ashcroft, he must have been sent to live with hyenas or something.... Heeheehee (heidi imitating a hyena). Yeah, I bet that is a big part of it. There is also a set of thoughts about the South ... most rich white babies were brought up by black Mamies, and played with the black kids ... then became their masters. That has GOT to mess up your brain. My own theory is that wheat had a lot to do with it too ... having seen some people who really do go crazy eating the stuff. The zonulin that gets produced by folks reacting to wheat makes the gut permeable, so proteins leak into the blood. Zonulin ALSO make the blood-brain barrier permeable. So ... no wonder folks get crazy. We had one prez who popped jellybeans, this one pops pretzels (and passes out?). And there is no connection between politics and food? (And you can get even more radical ... Barabara B. was drinking heavily when she was pregnant with W, and he does show some of the facial features of fetal alcohol syndrome. How many leaders have been ruined by their parent's drinking/drug habits?). > > >p.s. note the nt relevant nature of this psudo-political post!!!! Yes, very relevant! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Can you copy and paste it? I would love to see it.Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: Did somebody already mention August 20th's New Yorker article? There's an article in there by a Pulitzer Prize winning writer named Tim Page, who has Asperger's Syndrome. It's called Parallel Play, and talks about his growing (and his adulthood, too.) Unfortunately, it's not online, but I bet you can find it in the library. I quite enjoyed it.Liz - proud parent of 17 year old boy with AS Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Me too. Haskin <babydoll_haskin@...> wrote: Can you copy and paste it? I would love to see it.Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: Did somebody already mention August 20th's New Yorker article? There's an article in there by a Pulitzer Prize winning writer named Tim Page, who has Asperger's Syndrome. It's called Parallel Play, and talks about his growing (and his adulthood, too.) Unfortunately, it's not online, but I bet you can find it in the library. I quite enjoyed it.Liz - proud parent of 17 year old boy with AS Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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