Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 >>>>~~~I have been out of town and did not see this e-mail until just now. I am very interested in what Sally had to say about soy. Basically what I would like to know: is eating soy harmful or not? I heard at the whole foods class I took that soy is harmful. Then I heard from another source that it depended on the individual, that it is beneficial for post menopausal women and in other specific cases? Is there somewhere to read a synopsis of what was said on the show or can you or anyone answer this question for me?<<<< ----->janice, sally's position on soy is that it's indeed harmful. one of the major campaigns of the WAPF is to ban soy infant formula, and educate the public on the dangers of modern soy foods. here's a synopsis of some of the issues with soy from the WAPF, and there are a number of other articles at the link: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html Confused About Soy? High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth. Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Thank you and Suze for the information. And I will be sure and go on the Weston Price site and read more. But as far as using soy (supplementation and/or food) for post menopausal women, neither of you made reference to that. Perhaps that is covered on the web-site. Janice >That's of course qualified-- small or moderate amounts of fermented soy products are permissible. I personally do not use much soy, but use soy sauce almost daily. Eden soy sauce is fermented for 2 years, which should be available at any health food store. They also have a gluten free-one that is fermented for six months, but it isn't fermented less, it is just fermented quicker using an enhanced method. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 >>>>But as far as using soy (supplementation and/or food) for post menopausal women, neither of you made reference to that. Perhaps that is covered on the web-site. ------>janice, the same goes for post menopausal women. read some of the articles on the link i posted and you'll have a much better idea what the issues are, what the research is showing, regardless of age, gender, etc. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- TO SOY OR NOT TO SOY? Thank you and Suze for the information. And I will be sure and go on the Weston Price site and read more. But as far as using soy (supplementation and/or food) for post menopausal women, neither of you made reference to that. Perhaps that is covered on the web-site. Janice >That's of course qualified-- small or moderate amounts of fermented soy products are permissible. I personally do not use much soy, but use soy sauce almost daily. Eden soy sauce is fermented for 2 years, which should be available at any health food store. They also have a gluten free-one that is fermented for six months, but it isn't fermented less, it is just fermented quicker using an enhanced method. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 It would probably be even worse. It might be worth it to read some of Ray Peat's stuff on estrogen, but I don't have the link on me (I'm not at home). I think it's something like www.efn.org/~raypeat but not sure. Anyone else have it? Chris > >>>>But as far as using soy (supplementation and/or food) for post > menopausal > women, neither of you made reference to that. Perhaps that is covered on > the web-site. > > ------>janice, the same goes for post menopausal women. read some of the > articles on the link i posted and you'll have a much better idea what the > issues are, what the research is showing, regardless of age, gender, etc. > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " - - > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- > > > TO SOY OR NOT TO SOY? > > > Thank you and Suze for the information. And I will be sure and go > on the Weston Price site and read more. > > But as far as using soy (supplementation and/or food) for post menopausal > women, neither of you made reference to that. Perhaps that is covered on > the web-site. > > Janice > > >That's of course qualified-- small or moderate amounts of fermented > soy products are permissible. I personally do not use much soy, but > use soy sauce almost daily. Eden soy sauce is fermented for 2 years, > which should be available at any health food store. They also have a > gluten free-one that is fermented for six months, but it isn't > fermented less, it is just fermented quicker using an enhanced method. > > Chris > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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