Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 > Thanks for the info. You're welcome Jen > I checked out the site. Since Quinton is getting > beta carotenes he cannot get a Vitamin A toxic problem ( You will find in that page signs of beta caroten toxicity. That's why I gave you the link. Sorry, I should have realized it's confusing... " Although carotene is metabolized in the body to vitamin A at a slow rate, excessive ingestion of carotene does not cause vitamin A toxicity but produces carotenemia (carotene blood levels > 250 µg/dL [> 4.65 µmol/L]). This condition is usually asymptomatic but may lead to carotenosis, in which the skin (but not the sclera) becomes deep yellow, especially on the palms and soles. Carotenosis may also occur in diabetes mellitus, myxedema, and anorexia nervosa, possibly from a further reduction in the rate of conversion of carotene to vitamin A. " > from what I just > read). I think what I need to do is drop his Carotnoid Complex pill and > add in some real Vit A Why don't you give him CLO? I think it has a very " healthy " form of Vit.A > My current understanding is > that Vit A as a beta carotene is a precursor to Vit A but not actually > Vit A. Yes, the body converts beta carotene into Vit A only if it needs it. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 > " Although carotene is metabolized in the body to vitamin A at a slow rate, >excessive ingestion of carotene does not cause vitamin A toxicity but >produces carotenemia (carotene blood levels > 250 µg/dL [> 4.65 µmol/L]). >This condition is usually asymptomatic but may lead to carotenosis, in which >the skin (but not the sclera) becomes deep yellow, especially on the palms >and soles. What the above says is that if you ingest LARGE amounts of carotene you may get orangish skin on hands/feet but it is otherwise NOT A PROBLEM. I have heard of people getting orangish hands/feet from drinking LARGE amounts of carrot juice, and have heard this does not cause other problems. Your body may or may not be able to use the carotene effectively to make vitamin A --- which Andy pointed out is a reason to take vitamin A instead. My (very limited) understanding is that vitamin A also has more potential for toxicity or overdose than carotene. With carotene if there is excess the body just doesn't bother to process it into vitamin A. As is pointed out in the quoted text above, excessive ingestion of CAROTENE does NOT result in excessive vitamin A. Assuming your body is able to do the conversion. If your body is not good at processing carotene into vitamin A, then more carotene is not going to help. (back to Andy's point.) Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 > http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/courses/as625/625vita.html Click on URL, for > vitamin A toxicity. ltldab1@ juno.com Thank you. Converting the graph to IU's, the first potential for toxicity occcurs at an ongoing intake of about 5,000 IU per pound of kid per day, while liver toxicity occurs at about 100,000 IU per pound of kid per day. So for kids of various weights: Weight, # skin problems start liver problems start 20 # 100,000 IU 2,000,000 IU 30 # 150,000 IU 3,000,000 IU 40# 200,000 IU 4,000,000 IU 60# 300,000 IU 6,000,000 IU 100# 500,000 IU 10,000,000 IU As you can see my suggestions are much more conservative than this table. Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 last year our local WAPF chapter ran a booth at the Common Ground Fair, which is a big agricultural fair put on by the maine organic farmers and gardeners association. 50,000 people attend. in any event, the day i was running the booth, one of the people who stopped to talk was a nutritionist who was very upset with the foundation's emphasis on animal fats, which she said could cause vitamin A toxicity. she said it was " dangerous " or something to that effect, and she wrote down all the names of the books were displaying and/or selling, for what purpose i don't know. i debated the vit. a toxicity subject with her for a little bit, but i didn't know a heck of a lot about the subject then, and still feel like i don't have a good handle on it. i told her the WAPF didn't make a recommendation for a specific quantitiy of any nutrient that i was aware of, but rather made general recommendations for things like animal fats and other foods characteristic of healthy traditional diets. so how she could determine that that would cause vit. a toxicity, i don't know. nonetheless she was adament that the emphasis on animal fats, and perhaps cod liver oil could be harmful in regards to vit. a. i have no doubt that stuffing oneself with animal fats is not problematic in terms of vitamin a, but i'm not so clear on the CLO issue, nor am i very familiar with studies that have been done on vit. a toxicity. i keep hearing that only *synthetic* vit. a is toxic, but not *natural* vitamin a. does anyone know what the basis of that is? it sounds logical, but is it based on actual data? i will be running the wapf booth at the same fair in two days and would like to get a little more informed about the vit. a issue in case this nutritionist comes back to debate it with me. if anyone has any studies that measured toxicity of synthetic and natural forms, that would be helpful. i do have one reference about a study that fed 300,000 iu vit. a to 283 people for up to 2 years and found no symptoms associatied with hypervitaminosis A. no mention of which form it was. however, my understanding is that it's an individual thing, with some tolerating much higher amounts than others. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 >>>Suze below is an excerpt from a WAP article I'm sure you've seen but these are the two references to this excerpt. This may help. ------>oh excellent! that's exactly what i'm looking for. i had forgotten the WAPF covered this issue. thanks for posting it :-) where did you get the second excerpt from...i couldn't find it. it's the one that gives specific vit. A dosing recommendations for women, excerpt below: " Thus if you are or may become pregnant, limit cod liver oil intake to not more than a total vitamin A value of 30,000 IU. If using my favorite brand, Carlson Labs cod liver oil, that would equal the amount of vitamin A found in 12 teaspoons or 4 tablespoons, more than anyone would ever take. If using high-vitamin cod liver oil, the limit would be 2 tablespoons. Two tablespoons of regular cod liver oil provide 15,000 IU vitamin A, 2600 IU vitamin D and 6 grams of mixed omega-3 fatty acids, safe for pregnancy and good for mom and baby. " Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Mike, Since I and I'm sure others would be interested, you should, if you would be willing, upload the file to the files section of this list. I haven't done the research you have, but I just want to point out we have to remember that Price's subjects didn't *just* have 10 times the vitamin A Americans had (which indicates to me, since Price focused on the skeletal system, that excess vitamin A is NOT something to worry about), but also had much more calcium. A lot of hormones and compounds could help or hurt depending on your calcium level. For example, calcitriol (vitamin D) doesn't cause Ca to go into the bones, but rather regulates the amount of Ca in the blood. So if there is deficient Ca in the diet, calcitriol will leach Ca from the bones, but if there is a net excess of Ca, calcitriol will cause Ca to be included in bone. The same could be said for even an ionic element such as P for example. The same could also be said for estrogen, which increases Ca retnetion in the blood. Theoretically estrogen could help bones if one's problem is Ca loss in the urine, but estrogen also supports osteoclasts which break down bone to include in the blood, so barring a major deficiency that is causing urine loss more estrogen would probably be harmful. Parathyroid hormone has a similar effect, in that it raises blood Ca, but it also supports osteoclasts, which is how it does so, but on the other hand it promotes the conversion of cholicaliciferol to calcitriol, without which any vitamin D would be useless. (Since some evidence indicates UV on the eyes causes decrease in parathyroid and increase in calcitonin, maybe the natural cycle of being outside in UV in the day, and producing calcitonin, and also producing cholacaliciferol on the skin, and then going inside or it getting dark and producing parathyroid to turn the cholacaliciferol into calcitriol is the normal day to day cycle?). Still, the parathyroid increases Ca retention in the diet. So since Price thought vitamin A was necessary for Ca *absorption* and other folks seem to think vitamin A causes Ca *loss* my guess is the answer is " it depends " and also " it's complicated. " I don't know, but I would guess that vitamin A has a relationship to Ca that is not clear-cut, and that could be bad or good depending on how the amount of vitamin A compares to the amount of Ca, similar to vitamin D. If you have high Ca, the more vitamin D the better up to an enormous amount (for most people, not for some). But if you have low Ca, the more vitamin D the more harm. Chris In a message dated 9/19/03 11:56:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bwp@... writes: > a few months back i found out about the issue with retinol and > osteoporosis, which is one of my absolute biggest interests, yet i > haven't had a chance to really investigate the issue by reading > actual journal articles, contacting experts, etc. summarizing > briefly, there are a few studies that link excessive retinol to > osteoporosis, and they don't look easily dismissable. i haven't > seen any clear separation of effects from natural vs. synthetic > retinol, so i'm still hoping it's the excess synthetic stuff that's > the culprit. in a way, though, we shouldn't be surprised that the > body needs a certain amount of a crucial hormone like retinol for > various processes, and that too much or too little can be a problem. > even if the worries about excess retinol with respect to other bodily > processes are exaggerated or unjustified, the bone thing could be a > valid risk. i'm presently cautious about retinol, taking only about > 1/2 tsp CLO (radiant life stuff) per day, and i don't eat liver in > general, although now that it's deer season and i live near a good > butcher, i'm thinking about doing a few ounces of raw deer liver and > raw deer heart once a week. i'm not sure if i should skip the CLO > for those days, but of course the daily intake is probably not the > crucial issue for fat-soluble vitamins, just the total over a longer > stretch. and i still want the vit D, E, and omega-3's, which i don't > get much from other stuff, so i'll probably still do a 1/2 tsp of the > CLO. > > a few months back i did some websearching about this, and i have a > folder of stuff i could privately email you if you'd like. it's > about 740KB. i will get around to a more serious investigation > sometime because osteoporosis is my number one health concern. " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 hey Suze, a few months back i found out about the issue with retinol and osteoporosis, which is one of my absolute biggest interests, yet i haven't had a chance to really investigate the issue by reading actual journal articles, contacting experts, etc. summarizing briefly, there are a few studies that link excessive retinol to osteoporosis, and they don't look easily dismissable. i haven't seen any clear separation of effects from natural vs. synthetic retinol, so i'm still hoping it's the excess synthetic stuff that's the culprit. in a way, though, we shouldn't be surprised that the body needs a certain amount of a crucial hormone like retinol for various processes, and that too much or too little can be a problem. even if the worries about excess retinol with respect to other bodily processes are exaggerated or unjustified, the bone thing could be a valid risk. i'm presently cautious about retinol, taking only about 1/2 tsp CLO (radiant life stuff) per day, and i don't eat liver in general, although now that it's deer season and i live near a good butcher, i'm thinking about doing a few ounces of raw deer liver and raw deer heart once a week. i'm not sure if i should skip the CLO for those days, but of course the daily intake is probably not the crucial issue for fat-soluble vitamins, just the total over a longer stretch. and i still want the vit D, E, and omega-3's, which i don't get much from other stuff, so i'll probably still do a 1/2 tsp of the CLO. a few months back i did some websearching about this, and i have a folder of stuff i could privately email you if you'd like. it's about 740KB. i will get around to a more serious investigation sometime because osteoporosis is my number one health concern. mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Here you go Suze http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/codliveroil.html > >>>Suze below is an excerpt from a WAP article I'm sure you've seen but > these are the two references to this excerpt. This may help. > > ------>oh excellent! that's exactly what i'm looking for. i had forgotten > the WAPF covered this issue. thanks for posting it :-) where did you get the > second excerpt from...i couldn't find it. it's the one that gives specific > vit. A dosing recommendations for women, excerpt below: > > > " Thus if you are or may become pregnant, limit cod liver oil intake to > not more than a total vitamin A value of 30,000 IU. If using my > favorite brand, Carlson Labs cod liver oil, that would equal the > amount of vitamin A found in 12 teaspoons or 4 tablespoons, more than > anyone would ever take. If using high-vitamin cod liver oil, the > limit would be 2 tablespoons. Two tablespoons of regular cod liver > oil provide 15,000 IU vitamin A, 2600 IU vitamin D and 6 grams of > mixed omega-3 fatty acids, safe for pregnancy and good for mom and > baby. " > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 > Mike, > > Since I and I'm sure others would be interested, you should, if you would be > willing, upload the file to the files section of this list. okay, i uploaded eight of the better webpages from my websearch, in the folder " retinol and osteoporosis " . just skimming through this stuff again, i think the key unresolved issues are: 1. synthetic vs. natural retinol (sweden fortifies low-fat dairy with synthetic retinol, so it's more than CLO that contributes to retinol intake.) 2. ratio of A and D. many people in studies might've been vit D deficient. mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 >>>a few months back i did some websearching about this, and i have a folder of stuff i could privately email you if you'd like. it's about 740KB. i will get around to a more serious investigation sometime because osteoporosis is my number one health concern. ---->mike, i would be interested in seeing your file on this, so please do send it to me. thanks very much! just curious as to why osteoperosis is your #1 health concern? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 oops! sorry, disregard my last message. i'm wading throught the hundred or so posts to this list today and see mike already uploaded this material to the website. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 i just added another file sitting somewhere else on my computer... as for your question, it's just because i don't expect to have much in the way of other health concerns since i'm starting out healthy (26 yrs) and should be able to prevent the normal problems through diet, exercise, etc, and i practice calorie restriction, which means i might have a long lifespan and it's only a matter of time before bone falls apart. also, calorie restriction in itself may increase one's osteoporosis risk (basically being skinny)... mike parker > >>>a few months back i did some websearching about this, and i have a > folder of stuff i could privately email you if you'd like. it's > about 740KB. i will get around to a more serious investigation > sometime because osteoporosis is my number one health concern. > > ---->mike, i would be interested in seeing your file on this, so please do > send it to me. thanks very much! > > > just curious as to why osteoperosis is your #1 health concern? > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " - - > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Now I am hooked. This is very intriguing. I did a pub med search and this was all i found. Nothing in either book. If you can't figure it out, let me know and i will forward to Complementary Care Nutrition. Tariq Al-Fahad1, Ali Ismael2, M Osama Soliman3 and Mousa Khoursheed4 (1) Department of Medicine, Mubarak Al-Kabeer Hospital, Kuwait (2) Department of Surgery, Mubarak Al-Kabeer Hospital, Kuwait (3) Department of Surgery, Mubarak Al-Kabeer Hospital, Kuwait (4) Department of Surgery, Mubarak Al-Kabeer Hospital, Kuwait; Department of Surgery, Faculty of Medicine, Kuwait University, Kuwait Published online: 01 May 2006 Postoperative complications resulting from bariatric surgery can lead to severe vitamin-deficiency states, such as Wernicke's encephalopathy (WE). We present a 29-year-old woman with BMI 41.7 with no history of alcoholism who developed acute WE after a gastric bypass for morbid obesity. After persistent vomiting for 2 weeks postoperatively, symptoms began with headache, vertigo, diplopia, nystagmus, tingling and weakness in both upper and lower extremities, urinary incontinence, and memory loss to recent events. All investigations, including upper GI endoscopy, Gastrografin® meal and even MRI, were normal. A dramatic improvement occurred in 24 hrs after starting 100 mg thiamine infusion daily. We recommend that patients undergoing bariatric surgery should be started on thiamine supplementation once oral intake begins, because this case showed that postoperative acute WE can develop before 6 weeks, unlike other reports. MORBID OBESITY - GASTRIC BYPASS - VOMITING - THIAMINE DEFICIENCY - WERNICKE'S ENCEPHALOPATHY From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jbach11Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin A Toxicity This is a very interesting case.....we just got her Vit A lab, and it turns out she is deficient in Vitamin A, not toxic!! Not what I was expecting at all, since she has all the symptoms of toxicity. Any recommendations on what to do now, or what else may be causing these symptoms? Thanks!>> Very interesting case. I looked up Vit A toxicity in both the> Micronutrition for weight loss surgery patients and Krause's Food,> nutrition and Diet Therapy and did not see anything about reversing> toxicity.> > I would however, find her a vitamin with mixed carotenoids vs. retinol.> this is much less toxic as the conversion rate of carotene to retinol> varies per the body's need at the time. Both books also noted that the> carotene form is non-toxic.> Tina Musselman RD, CCN > Bariatric Program Coordinator > (708) 747-4000 ext. 7444 or > (708) 679-2717 > (708) 679-2418 (fax) > > > ________________________________> > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of> jbach11> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:16 PM> > Subject: Vitamin A Toxicity> > > > I have a patient who was taking 12000IU of Vitamin A for ~6 months post > RNY. She presented with vertigo, bone and joint pain, and headaches. > I told her to decrease the vitamin supplementation, however she is > still getting 6000 IU of Vitamin A in the vitamins she is using. We > have not yet received her Vit A lab result, but I'm assuming it will be > high. I have never had a patient with this before. What is the > correct treatment for Vit A toxicity?> > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you.> The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Have you checked Vit. D, magnesium, B6, and B12 levels? Ava > > > > Very interesting case. I looked up Vit A toxicity in both the > > Micronutrition for weight loss surgery patients and Krause's Food, > > nutrition and Diet Therapy and did not see anything about reversing > > toxicity. > > > > I would however, find her a vitamin with mixed carotenoids vs. > retinol. > > this is much less toxic as the conversion rate of carotene to > retinol > > varies per the body's need at the time. Both books also noted that > the > > carotene form is non-toxic. > > Tina Musselman RD, CCN > > Bariatric Program Coordinator > > (708) 747-4000 ext. 7444 or > > (708) 679-2717 > > (708) 679-2418 (fax) > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > jbach11 > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:16 PM > > > > Subject: Vitamin A Toxicity > > > > > > > > I have a patient who was taking 12000IU of Vitamin A for ~6 months > post > > RNY. She presented with vertigo, bone and joint pain, and > headaches. > > I told her to decrease the vitamin supplementation, however she is > > still getting 6000 IU of Vitamin A in the vitamins she is using. We > > have not yet received her Vit A lab result, but I'm assuming it > will be > > high. I have never had a patient with this before. What is the > > correct treatment for Vit A toxicity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying > documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If > you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on > behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, > use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are > not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e-mail > and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 I had a patient 30 year post intestinal bypass patient who had Vitamin A deficiency and experienced night blindness. We ended up giving him IV Vitamin A. Bartholomay <.Bartholomay@...> wrote: What is this patient's vitamin D status? Does she have sufficient Magnesium intake? Bartholomay, LRDManager, Nutrition TherapyMeritCare Health Systems.Bartholomay@...(701) 234-6166>>> "jbach11" 9/20/2007 1:49 PM >>>This is a very interesting case.....we just got her Vit A lab, and it turns out she is deficient in Vitamin A, not toxic!! Not what I was expecting at all, since she has all the symptoms of toxicity. Any recommendations on what to do now, or what else may be causing these symptoms? Thanks!>> Very interesting case. I looked up Vit A toxicity in both the> Micronutrition for weight loss surgery patients and Krause's Food,> nutrition and Diet Therapy and did not see anything about reversing> toxicity.> > I would however, find her a vitamin with mixed carotenoids vs. retinol.> this is much less toxic as the conversion rate of carotene to retinol> varies per the body's need at the time. Both books also noted that the> carotene form is non-toxic.> Tina Musselman RD, CCN > Bariatric Program Coordinator > (708) 747-4000 ext. 7444 or > (708) 679-2717 > (708) 679-2418 (fax) > > > ________________________________> > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of> jbach11> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:16 PM> > Subject: Vitamin A Toxicity> > > > I have a patient who was taking 12000IU of Vitamin A for ~6 months post > RNY. She presented with vertigo, bone and joint pain, and headaches. > I told her to decrease the vitamin supplementation, however she is > still getting 6000 IU of Vitamin A in the vitamins she is using. We > have not yet received her Vit A lab result, but I'm assuming it will be > high. I have never had a patient with this before. What is the > correct treatment for Vit A toxicity?> > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you.>This e-mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act 18 U.S.C. Section 2510-2521. This e-mail is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 What kind of vitamin A did she consume?Retinol v. Carotene? Was it really 50,000?A week? a month?Sometimes patients forget to check serving size. Was she taking enough protein ? Check RBP (etinol binding protein),prealbumin Did you check vit A (retinol)? I also agree that bone ,joint pain can be Vit D def. Check vit D 25 (OH) -- In , " debragrossman " <deblengrossman@...> wrote: > > Hi all! > > I also have a clinet 1 year post Roux-En-Y who has been taking 50,000units of Vitamin A for 1 year! As of her last labs in June, the Vitamin A level was still low at 18. > She has not complained of any of these symptoms but I have been concerned about this level of supplementation. Some research I have done said that too much Vitmain A can eventually cause bone loss! The doctor in charge who calls himself a nutrition specialist has recently moved so I have an opportunity to recommend something else. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Debra Brown Grossman,MPH,RD,CDE > 62 So Fullerton Ave. > Montclair, N.J. 07042 > 973-655-1335 V > 973-655-1336 F > deblengrossman@... > > > Vitamin A Toxicity > > > > > > > > I have a patient who was taking 12000IU of Vitamin A for ~6 months > post > > RNY. She presented with vertigo, bone and joint pain, and > headaches. > > I told her to decrease the vitamin supplementation, however she is > > still getting 6000 IU of Vitamin A in the vitamins she is using. We > > have not yet received her Vit A lab result, but I'm assuming it > will be > > high. I have never had a patient with this before. What is the > > correct treatment for Vit A toxicity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying > documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If > you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on > behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, > use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are > not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e- mail > and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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