Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Betty, I don't have the book, but I'm doing the WD, and also agree with the philosophy of doing full-body exercises and not lifting till failure, though I don't know what Ori specifically recommends. I work out 3 times a week. I don't think it's desirable to do more, especially if you are doing full-body workouts. You should do the free weight squat as the foundation of your workout, and do it with a wide stance. It works over 600 muscles and is the best of a full-body workout, and believe it or not it even does a killer job on your *arms*! People who work out every day generally do one specific area at a time, and they usually do lots of different very specific exercises. The big full-body ones-- squat, deadlift, and bench press come to mind, especially the first two-- you are working so many muscles that the next day you don't have any muscle groups that didn't get worked the day before, and you don't want to work out two days in a row the same muscle groups. Chris --- In , " Betsy " <bettysmith997@h...> wrote: > I got my copy of the Warrior Diet in yesterday. I really like the > warrior workout section. The idea of exercising the whole body > instead of isolated muscles, and of doing exercise that mimic real > activities (at least for a warrior) make so much sense and go along > with the whole NT idea of eating whole foods as opposed to vitamin > isolates. Anyway, the only question I had was how often do you > workout? I know Ori's answer – how ever often you feel like it. > But I just don't have a clue. I used to think that I needed at > least a day between exercising muscle groups, but if you're > exercising the whole body and not isolating muscle groups, then do > you only need to work out a couple days per week? Also, if you > don't " lift until failure " then can you exercise more often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 In a message dated 9/11/03 10:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ---->why is that? i routinely do it, but then i don't lift to capacity > either. So your muscles can rest. If you work your muscles out without letting the build up, your going to eat away at your muscle instead of build it. I suppose if you exercise them light enough it wouldn't matter, but I would also suppose that if it doesn't matter, you're not exercising them enough for a good workout. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 >>>> and you don't want to work out two days in a row the same muscle groups. ---->why is that? i routinely do it, but then i don't lift to capacity either. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Suze, becasue if you work the muscle to failure the body woudl nto have repaired the damage you caused the muscles by the following day. so what happens is you woudl start tearing down something taht had not completely healed yet. Eventually leading to " overtraining " its a good practice to do awell even if you do not go to failure. But if you feel really good/strnger the following day then why not train again if it snto to failure ? > >>>> and you don't want to work out two days in a row the > same muscle groups. > > ---->why is that? i routinely do it, but then i don't lift to capacity > either. > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " - - > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 In a message dated 9/12/03 8:34:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ------->i know it's to let them rest, but why 48 hours instead of 24? Simply because 24 hours usually isn't long enough. > ----->i'm not sure how you'd define a 'good workout', but i seem to be > doing > fine like this...still gaining muscle, but often working the same muscle > groups 4-5 days/week. maybe, since i'm not interested in " bulking up " much, > though, that this is an appropriate pace for me. i really don't know! Obviously it depends what you're doing and what you want out of your exercise. When you walk, you use your muscles, but you clearly don't have to avoid walking the next day if you walked the the first day. But presumably if someone is doing a " warrior workout " using powerlifting or olympic lifting exercises, they actually want to gain some muscle. If, on the other hand, you are only interested in " toning, " then that's a different story. If you don't have a problem working the same muscle groups 4-5 days in a row, I can't imagine you're doing much more than toning, which might be fine for you, if that's what you want to do. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:48:19 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: >>>>> and you don't want to work out two days in a row the >same muscle groups. > >---->why is that? i routinely do it, but then i don't lift to capacity >either. You do? It Really Was The People's Car http://tinyurl.com/mwbv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 > ------->i know it's to let them rest, but why 48 hours instead of 24? Simply because 24 hours usually isn't long enough. ----->wouldn't that depend to some extent on how much you stressed your muscles the day before? >>>But presumably if someone is doing a " warrior workout " using powerlifting or olympic lifting exercises, they actually want to gain some muscle. ---->well, i do want to gain in some areas, but not others. i'm not sure exactly what " power lifting " and " olympic lifting exercises " consist of, but am pretty sure i'm not doing them! LOL >>>If, on the other hand, you are only interested in " toning, " then that's a different story. If you don't have a problem working the same muscle groups 4-5 days in a row, I can't imagine you're doing much more than toning, which might be fine for you, if that's what you want to do. ----->some areas i want to tone and others add muscle. i seem to be adding muscle and toning most areas all the time. i'm saying " seem " because it's hard to tell sometimes! when i lose fat, my muscles " look " bigger because the fat's not hiding them, but maybe they're not bigger. however, i've *clearly* gained muscle over the past year that i've been weightlifting, so i'm not just " toning " . even repeating the same exercise on consecutive days. maybe i'm just gaining more slowly than i would if i alternated days? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 >---->why is that? i routinely do it, but then i don't lift to capacity >either. >>>You do? ----->yes, on certain exercises. right now i'm focusing on my legs and butt, so i often do squats, the leg press and a few other leg/butt exercises every time i go to the gym (which has been about 4 days/week lately). *however* since i have a bum knee, i'm careful not to overdue any leg exercises. i take it very slowly, sometimes not increasing weight for 2-4 weeks, or longer. and i don't lift til failure. my understanding from previous discussions on the list and talking to one of the trainers at the gym that this is not bad if i'm not really lifting to failure. or perhaps i'm remembering wrong? i'd like to step it up a bit though, so maybe i should start doing every other day for the same exercise? i increased the weight on my squat yesterday to something like 100 lbs. and it felt fine, but i was straining a bit. tried it again today, and felt my legs were sore. guess that might be a good indicator to wait another day? generally, i don't feel sore when doing the same exercise two days in a row. i'm definitely gaining muscle, not just toning, but i wonder if i'd gain faster if i did it every other day? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 > ----->some areas i want to tone and others add muscle. i seem to be adding > muscle and toning most areas all the time. i'm saying " seem " because it's > hard to tell sometimes! when i lose fat, my muscles " look " bigger because > the fat's not hiding them, but maybe they're not bigger. however, i've > *clearly* gained muscle over the past year that i've been weightlifting, so > i'm not just " toning " . even repeating the same exercise on consecutive days. > maybe i'm just gaining more slowly than i would if i alternated days? >>>>If you've gained muscle, you must weigh more. If you don't weigh more, I doubt you gained a whole lot of muscle. Though you may have made your muscles a lot stronger. ----->well, i have lost weight and gained muscle. i don't know what the difference is between *gaining* muscle and making my muscles *stronger* but my muscles are noticably larger than they were this past winter, yet i've lost about 10 lbs. or so since then. and it's not that they were merely covered by fat and are now more noticable, they've clearly been growing. although, obviously not enough to compensate weight-wise for the fat i've lost. so maybe i've lost 15 lbs. of body fat and gained 5 lbs. of muscle, or something like that. i will try working the same muscle groups every other day now and see if they grow faster. i'm actually at a point where i do want to step it up a bit and lift almost to failure, but i do have to take it easy with anything involving my legs because of a bum knee. that's the reason i've been going as slowly as i have with most lifting that involves my legs. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 In a message dated 9/10/03 12:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bettysmith997@... writes: > I got my copy of the Warrior Diet in yesterday. I really like the > warrior workout section. The idea of exercising the whole body > instead of isolated muscles, and of doing exercise that mimic real > activities (at least for a warrior) make so much sense and go along > with the whole NT idea of eating whole foods as opposed to vitamin > isolates. Anyway, the only question I had was how often do you > workout? I know Ori's answer – how ever often you feel like it. > But I just don't have a clue. I used to think that I needed at > least a day between exercising muscle groups, but if you're > exercising the whole body and not isolating muscle groups, then do > you only need to work out a couple days per week? Also, if you > don't " lift until failure " then can you exercise more often? Betty, by the way, what kind of exercises will you be doing? and what does Ori recommend? My current workout schedule looks like this, alternative between week a and week b: week a tuesday-- squat, bench press thursday-- deadlift, arm curls, abs saturaday-- squat, bench press week b tuesday-- deadlift, bench press thursday-- squat, arm curls, abs saturday-- deadlift, bench press the abs certain don't fit into the " full body movements " philosophy, but i added them in just recently because i decided i wanted my six-pack a little more defined. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 > Betty, > > by the way, what kind of exercises will you be doing? and what does Ori > recommend? I haven't read through recent posts, so I don't know if any of the other warriors have described his workout, but I'll go ahead and summarize it anyway. Oh, and I've never been to a gym or had any formal weight lifting training, so I don't really know the official names of these exercises. I usually just make up my own names so hopefully you can understand what I'm trying to describe. Ori starts all his workout with abs. He does full-ab workouts that involve all the ab muscles and even the whole body. He hangs on a pull up bar and slowly raises his legs up to the bar. I think he has a couple more ab exercises, but I can't remember what they are, but I can look them up when I go home, if you want to know. After the abs, he lays face-down on the floor and stretches his lower back by lifting his legs off the floor. He does quite a few different shoulder/upperbody exercises. He emphasizes strengthening joints in his workouts. These include bench press, deadlift, and pull-ups. He does suggest only exercising leg muscles once a week. He shows front and back squats and he also shows leg raises and calf raises which I thought isolate muscles. He also suggests the velocity-type exercises that encourage quick bursts of energy. These include the clean and jerk (or maybe it's jerk and clean?), and what I call the frog jump. These are really fun, but wear your legs out. You start out in a squatted position and jump as high as you can. I like to do these up and down the length of our basement. The velocity exercise should be done only once per week, according to Ori. I probably just butchered Ori's workout with my interpretation. But, here's my workout schedule. M: abs, back, upperbody T: running W: abs, back, upperbody Th: running S: abs, back, squats, calf raises, frog jumps (probably add others as I learn how to do them correctly) Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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