Re: Tuberculosis and animal fats

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Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote:

> On the other hand, fish oils make the body more SUSCEPTIBLE to TB.

This goes along with Ray Peat's view of immune suppressive effect of PUFA's.

Owner of AV-Skeptics group has talked about that a lot. AV being Aajonus

Vonderplanitz. He is also sure it speeds up aging.

Roman

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>>>>>>New Scientist had a very interesting article in the Aug 30 issue

(might be online now)

about tuberculosis and fats. Turns out that animal fats increase the ability

of

white blood cells to kill tuberculosis. Arachodonic acid being the most

potent.

On the other hand, fish oils make the body more SUSCEPTIBLE to TB. <<<<<

----->that is interesting...i signed up for a 7 day trial membership so i

could access it. The fats that are most effective against TB, according to

this article are:

1. arachidonic acid

2. ceramide (commonly used in facial creams. the author misspelled it

" ceremide " )

3. sphingomyelin

4. sphingosine-1-phosphate (also misspelled in the article. LOL)

the author goes on to state that these fats are abundant in both animal and

vegetable fats/oils. here's what i found in a brief search on the sources of

these FAs:

Ceramides:

In general, a ceramide has a structure in which a fatty acid is bonded to

sphingosine. In ceramides originating in wheat, sugars like mannose and

glucose are further bonded to glycolipids. In human and animal bodies,

ceramides are generated in the skin, blood, brain, spinal cord and nerve

tissue, whereas in plants, they are generated in wheat, rice, soybean, maze,

spinach, etc.

Sphingomyelin (may have anti-cancer properties. one article i read, however,

associated it with assisting campylobacteria infection):

-milkfat ( " Sphingomyelin comprises about one-third of the total milk

phospholipids. " http://www.foodproductdesign.com/archive/1999/1099cs.html)

Sphingolipids in_general, perhaps including Sphingosine-1-phosphate:

--dairy fat (cream and cheese having double or triple the content of other

foods tested)

--soy beans

--wheat

--red meat

--sweet potatoes

http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/129/7/1239#SEC3

>>>>Which might account for some of the TB epidemics among the poor, esp.

in the last century. Meat was expensive. Also TB seems to have been common

in

Japan, which has a high-fish diet (I don't know the epidemiology on this,

it shows up in Japanese movies a lot though).

----->that would jibe with what the authors write about the inuit on

" fish-rich " diets being " unusually sucseptible " to TB, if indeed that's

true.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

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University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

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[Guest guest]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:31:56 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>New Scientist had a very interesting article in the Aug 30 issue (might be

online now)

>about tuberculosis and fats. Turns out that animal fats increase the ability of

>white blood cells to kill tuberculosis. Arachodonic acid being the most potent.

>

Didn't someone mention awhile ago that Price healed himself of TB with

raw cream? Maybe Suze?

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[Guest guest]

>>>Didn't someone mention awhile ago that Price healed himself of TB with

raw cream? Maybe Suze?

----->it was *typhoid fever* not TB, which is of course just as serious a

disease, if not more so. and i speak from personal experience. LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:36:52 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>>>>Didn't someone mention awhile ago that Price healed himself of TB with

>raw cream? Maybe Suze?

>

>----->it was *typhoid fever* not TB, which is of course just as serious a

>disease, if not more so. and i speak from personal experience. LOL

>

Thanks Suze. I do seem to recall you writing about such an experience in

your " youth " LOL!

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