Re: Safety Procedures fro removal of Amalgams

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In a message dated 13/10/2006 23:13:12 GMT Daylight Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

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>>and if the dentist and the dental nurse don;t mask up with their own air sources then they are not taking it seriously. Run the other way

Mandi x

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In a message dated 14/10/2006 18:29:37 GMT Daylight Time, m.collins9@... writes:

My son's acupuncturist warned me to go slowly with amalgam removal

|>>I concurr - I had all safety procedures but it still knocks you for six, I did a quandrant at a time, 3 teeth invloved in each one and 3 quandrants in a 2 month time frame and 2 x extractions - I couldn;t afford the crowns and as they were far back I had them pulled and kept my fingers crossed that the other molars - waiting on replacemetn crowns were going to hold up. I have temps on them now for 6 months and no issues at all.

I did lost of vitamin C paying no heed to the issue of local not working because I needed that in my system before I took the activated charcoal in the chair prior to procedure. My were all huge. If I had known about NCD then I would have been taking it as well

Mandi x

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My son's acupuncturist warned me to go slowly with amalgam removal. A

former girlfriend had gone blind in one eye after her mercury fillings

were taken out. A. Cutler explains how mercury fillings can affect the

eyesight - something to do with proximity of the optic nerve, I think.

Margaret

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In a message dated 15/10/2006 09:43:54 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Interesting. Possibly why so many of our children have strange eye behaviours?

>>Moria from the A-M list and adult chelating herself, described the spookiness of going from seeing in 2D to 3D. Wierd that you wouldn;t know you were seeing only in 2D until something changed and quite disconcerting when it did.

My DH has limited or no peripheral vision - he is Dyslexic, have seen Megson describe similar things. We were going to do high dose CLO on him but he chickened out saying that he was used to it they way it was and was scared of the change (only after I bought 300 CLO caps from Kirkman of course LOL)

He still thinks the fact I can see things at the side when I am looking in front quite bizzare

Mandi x

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Interesting. Possibly why so many of our children have strange eye behaviours?

Jane

Re: Safety Procedures fro removal of Amalgams

My son's acupuncturist warned me to go slowly with amalgam removal. A former girlfriend had gone blind in one eye after her mercury fillings were taken out. A. Cutler explains how mercury fillings can affect the eyesight - something to do with proximity of the optic nerve, I think.Margaret>> _Click here: Mercury Free and Healthy, The Dental Amalgam Issue_ > (http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor65956) > > _http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor65956_ (http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor65956)>

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In a message dated 15/10/2006 16:03:58 GMT Daylight Time, peter.standley@... writes:

also need to have all 4 (rotting!) wisdom teeth out, she is referring me to Queens med hospital in Nottingham for thius fortunately ( god knows how I would have paid for it otherwise!!!!!!!!) and wondered if anyone had any advice regarding this, ie full anaesth. / local?, should I insist they only do 2 at a time etc, quite worried about setting some sort of autoimmune thing off with all this work, God it's so invasive isn't it, bloody hate dentists, thanks for any advice

>>>I had my rotting stick ones out with local when I was a dental nurse, one at a time. Man was I a mess, my face was yellow an dblue the next day, he did them when another patient didn;t turn up so I fibbed the next day at work - when folks said what happened to you I could hardly point and say he did it could I lol?

Hard to say whats best - if you are having a GA then all at once because you don't want to be having more GA's than you need to.

However, unless these dentists have, and are good at using, a Cavitat machine then its hard to know what to do for the best. A cavitation is somethign quite different from a cavity. I am going to hunt out some links after I've sorted the kids and will post in a bit.

Mandi x

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I'm in the process of having a load of dental treatment done right now, after

being told by my nhs dentist that there is absoluely no danger with amalgam

fillings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gone private to a wonderful mercury free

dentist for

this, started work on Friday and she was so patient and sweet, could feel my

lip trembling cos I was so surprised by her kindness, " it's ok Josie breathe

fully, that's it, relax your chest , now your shoulders , you're doing really

well "

that and giving me homeopathic remedies afterwards was enought to make

me cry, amazing what kindness can do. ANYWAY , I am having amalgams

removed, massive ones. I am taking molybdenum and selenium to help with

detoxing and didn't see these mentioned so wondered if this might help

someone.These are also supps I want Jay to take soon, need to find suppliers

for specific brands.

I also need to have all 4 (rotting!) wisdom teeth out, she is referring me to

Queens med hospital in Nottingham for thius fortunately ( god knows how I

would have paid for it otherwise!!!!!!!!) and wondered if anyone had any advice

regarding this, ie full anaesth. / local?, should I insist they only do 2 at a

time

etc, quite worried about setting some sort of autoimmune thing off with all this

work, God it's so invasive isn't it, bloody hate dentists, thanks for any advice

love Josie xx

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> In a message dated 14/10/2006 18:29:37 GMT Daylight Time,

> m.collins9@... writes:

>

> My son's acupuncturist warned me to go slowly with amalgam removal

>

>

> |>>I concurr - I had all safety procedures but it still knocks you for six,

> I did a quandrant at a time, 3 teeth invloved in each one and 3 quandrants

in

> a 2 month time frame and 2 x extractions - I couldn;t afford the crowns and

> as they were far back I had them pulled and kept my fingers crossed that

the

> other molars - waiting on replacemetn crowns were going to hold up. I have

> temps on them now for 6 months and no issues at all.

>

> I did lost of vitamin C paying no heed to the issue of local not working

> because I needed that in my system before I took the activated charcoal in

the

> chair prior to procedure. My were all huge. If I had known about NCD then I

> would have been taking it as well

>

> Mandi x

>

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I had 4 wisdom teeth out in my twenties.

I had a general anesthetic and had 4 out at once.

Best thing I ever did 2 were stuck and were trying to get through a

space that was too small.

The other 2 were part way through..

No more pain ..

They did it in the morning and made me go home as soon as I came

round. Thats the NHS for you...High as a kite on the bus home LOL.

Jo

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 14/10/2006 18:29:37 GMT Daylight Time,

> > m.collins9@ writes:

> >

> > My son's acupuncturist warned me to go slowly with amalgam

removal

> >

> >

> > |>>I concurr - I had all safety procedures but it still knocks

you for six,

> > I did a quandrant at a time, 3 teeth invloved in each one and 3

quandrants

> in

> > a 2 month time frame and 2 x extractions - I couldn;t afford

the crowns and

> > as they were far back I had them pulled and kept my fingers

crossed that

> the

> > other molars - waiting on replacemetn crowns were going to hold

up. I have

> > temps on them now for 6 months and no issues at all.

> >

> > I did lost of vitamin C paying no heed to the issue of local not

working

> > because I needed that in my system before I took the activated

charcoal in

> the

> > chair prior to procedure. My were all huge. If I had known about

NCD then I

> > would have been taking it as well

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

>

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Hi Josie.

Can you tell me the name of your private dentist and where she is ( we

live in Grantham )

Thanks.

Miles

Josie Wilkinson wrote:

> I'm in the process of having a load of dental treatment done right now, after

> being told by my nhs dentist that there is absoluely no danger with amalgam

> fillings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gone private to a wonderful mercury free

dentist for

> this, started work on Friday and she was so patient and sweet, could feel my

> lip trembling cos I was so surprised by her kindness, " it's ok Josie breathe

> fully, that's it, relax your chest , now your shoulders , you're doing really

well "

> that and giving me homeopathic remedies afterwards was enought to make

> me cry, amazing what kindness can do. ANYWAY , I am having amalgams

> removed, massive ones. I am taking molybdenum and selenium to help with

> detoxing and didn't see these mentioned so wondered if this might help

> someone.These are also supps I want Jay to take soon, need to find suppliers

> for specific brands.

> I also need to have all 4 (rotting!) wisdom teeth out, she is referring me to

> Queens med hospital in Nottingham for thius fortunately ( god knows how I

> would have paid for it otherwise!!!!!!!!) and wondered if anyone had any

advice

> regarding this, ie full anaesth. / local?, should I insist they only do 2 at a

time

> etc, quite worried about setting some sort of autoimmune thing off with all

this

> work, God it's so invasive isn't it, bloody hate dentists, thanks for any

advice

> love Josie xx

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 16/10/2006 00:53:45 GMT Daylight Time, peter.standley@... writes:

I am unsure as to whether she used the dam things people were just talking about,

>>>Its like balloon material that is stretched over a frame and then pushed down between the teeth - usually with floss - basically like a plastic sheet in your mouth - if its properly fitted no amalgam dust or lumps can be swallowed, its not uncomfortable but certainly no chatting whilst its on. Once the amalgam has been removed and mnouth all cleaned up - lost of water sprayed in and sucked back out again they can take it off for placing the white fillings. I think you would have noticed. It is an essential part of the safety protocol

HTH

Mandi x

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Hi , we live in Southwell, nice to think of you relatively close by! the

dentist is in Ruddington and her name is Dr. Bilkhu. What I will say right now

is that I am unsure as to whether she used the dam things people were just

talking about, I will ask her when I go again this week, but I mean if you are

keyed up as to all the necessary safety measures you could discuss this with

her. I didn't know about them unfortunately before the appointment. She was

very very good with me and I did feel she was trying to get as much out as

she could without drilling. She also wasn't too keen to remove any if they

weren't leaking or damaged, mentioned me going to a woman in Newark who

does bio resonance testing(?) and stuff. Are you thinking for yourself or for

children? she has a sweet way about her- reckon she would be lovely with

kids. She only works one day a week but I like her up to now. God things are

never simple are they! even choosing your dentist has a million issues with it,

before I was worrying about the amalgams now I'm worrying about the dams!

Anyway if you would like her number it is 0115 984 8024.

My thought with the wisdom removal and anaesthetic was 1- would they be

more gentle if I wasn't out for the count ? I figured they would just get the

job

done as fast as they could if I was under and in which case I might suffer more

later. 2- doing all 4 at once must be such a shock for the body, how would it

react? 3- I would love to not be at all aware of what they were doing but at the

same time dont feel I should take the full anaesthetic lightly, so maybe local

and a bloody good sedative would be better. Think I'll discuss it with them and

also with my homeopath.

, you use homeopathy dont you?, the woman I see is wonderful, she's

in Belper, had a lot of experience with autism, just for your interest seeing as

you are in my area.

hope that helps, love Josie xx

> > I'm in the process of having a load of dental treatment done right now,

after

> > being told by my nhs dentist that there is absoluely no danger with

amalgam

> > fillings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gone private to a wonderful mercury free

dentist

for

> > this, started work on Friday and she was so patient and sweet, could feel

my

> > lip trembling cos I was so surprised by her kindness, " it's ok Josie

breathe

> > fully, that's it, relax your chest , now your shoulders , you're doing

really

well "

> > that and giving me homeopathic remedies afterwards was enought to

make

> > me cry, amazing what kindness can do. ANYWAY , I am having

amalgams

> > removed, massive ones. I am taking molybdenum and selenium to help

with

> > detoxing and didn't see these mentioned so wondered if this might help

> > someone.These are also supps I want Jay to take soon, need to find

suppliers

> > for specific brands.

> > I also need to have all 4 (rotting!) wisdom teeth out, she is referring me

to

> > Queens med hospital in Nottingham for thius fortunately ( god knows how

I

> > would have paid for it otherwise!!!!!!!!) and wondered if anyone had any

advice

> > regarding this, ie full anaesth. / local?, should I insist they only do 2 at

a

time

> > etc, quite worried about setting some sort of autoimmune thing off with all

this

> > work, God it's so invasive isn't it, bloody hate dentists, thanks for any

advice

> > love Josie xx

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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just read Jo's message and I think the lady in Newark has a vega machine

and it is the same testing she does on amalgams xxJosie

> > > I'm in the process of having a load of dental treatment done right now,

> after

> > > being told by my nhs dentist that there is absoluely no danger with

> amalgam

> > > fillings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gone private to a wonderful mercury

free dentist

> for

> > > this, started work on Friday and she was so patient and sweet, could feel

> my

> > > lip trembling cos I was so surprised by her kindness, " it's ok Josie

breathe

> > > fully, that's it, relax your chest , now your shoulders , you're doing

really

> well "

> > > that and giving me homeopathic remedies afterwards was enought to

> make

> > > me cry, amazing what kindness can do. ANYWAY , I am having

> amalgams

> > > removed, massive ones. I am taking molybdenum and selenium to help

> with

> > > detoxing and didn't see these mentioned so wondered if this might help

> > > someone.These are also supps I want Jay to take soon, need to find

> suppliers

> > > for specific brands.

> > > I also need to have all 4 (rotting!) wisdom teeth out, she is referring me

to

> > > Queens med hospital in Nottingham for thius fortunately ( god knows

how

> I

> > > would have paid for it otherwise!!!!!!!!) and wondered if anyone had any

> advice

> > > regarding this, ie full anaesth. / local?, should I insist they only do 2

at a

> time

> > > etc, quite worried about setting some sort of autoimmune thing off with

all

> this

> > > work, God it's so invasive isn't it, bloody hate dentists, thanks for any

> advice

> > > love Josie xx

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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In a message dated 16/10/2006 09:25:29 GMT Daylight Time, m.collins9@... writes:

I posted earlier, but the server wasn't working, to say that a GA (where an anaesthetist MUST be present to take care of your airway and deal with any problems) can be safer than sedation. Be careful who the practice is using - make sure they have a permanent NHS position. We had problems in Cambridge with doctors administering sedatives at a private centre. One child had a heart attack and is severly brain-dmaaged. A dentist was struck off last week and 2 other docs are facing disciplinary proceedings.

>>Oh my - yes indeed - GA only in a hospital setting IMHO

Mandi x

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In a message dated 16/10/2006 12:03:05 GMT Daylight Time, m.collins9@... writes:

One thing that concerns me: one of the back molars which now has a composite in it appears to show some staining - I assume from the old amalgam. Does this residual staining make it unsafe to chelate?

>>I am assured not, but it still worries me

Mandi x

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I had a dam for the removal of my first amalgam. Several years later

that tooth still aches intermittently. My teeth are very tightly

packed and it was extremely difficult to insert the dam. Because of

this, I haven't had a dam with the other removals . None of these

teeth ache. I think the force of the dam combined with the drill

dmaged the pulp. You should be OK if your teeth aren't so tightly

packed.

Not ideal, I know. The other thing to think of is the length of

experience of the dentist putting in the composites. These are much

harder to do well than amalgams, so I would advise a dentist with

quite a few years experience of private practice (on the NHS they

still have to use amalgam oin back teeth, so they don't get

experience of composite placement in molars.

I posted earlier, but the server wasn't working, to say that a GA

(where an anaesthetist MUST be present to take care of your airway

and deal with any problems) can be safer than sedation. Be careful

who the practice is using - make sure they have a permanent NHS

position. We had problems in Cambridge with doctors administering

sedatives at a private centre. One child had a heart attack and is

severly brain-dmaaged. A dentist was struck off last week and 2

other docs are facing disciplinary proceedings.

Margaret

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>

> In a message dated 16/10/2006 00:53:45 GMT Daylight Time,

> peter.standley@... writes:

>

> I am unsure as to whether she used the dam things people were

just

> talking about,

>

>

> >>>Its like balloon material that is stretched over a frame and

then pushed

> down between the teeth - usually with floss - basically like a

plastic sheet

> in your mouth - if its properly fitted no amalgam dust or lumps

can be

> swallowed, its not uncomfortable but certainly no chatting whilst

its on. Once the

> amalgam has been removed and mnouth all cleaned up - lost of

water sprayed in

> and sucked back out again they can take it off for placing the

white

> fillings. I think you would have noticed. It is an essential part

of the safety

> protocol

> HTH

> Mandi x

>

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Hi Josie,

I'm near Oakham and go to a mercury-free dentist, Dr Sylvia s, in East

Leake - full removal precautions taken if required. Three years ago she was

taking on NHS patients but she'd not put amalgam fillings in so they had to be

paid for. She tested me for lymphocyte sensitivity to heavy metals - mercury

came up low/moderate but nickel was very high. I plan to have my 10-or-so

amalgams replaced as soon as I'm well enough to cope - stressful business,

dentist visits!

Sue

Josie Wilkinson wrote:

> Hi , we live in Southwell, nice to think of you relatively close by! the

> dentist is in Ruddington and her name is Dr. Bilkhu.

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" mcollins2001uk " <m.collins9@...> wrote:

> I had a dam for the removal of my first amalgam. Several years later

> that tooth still aches intermittently.

Unfortunately this is a common side effect of mercury amalgams -

because its so unstable a substance mercury causes massive damage to a

tooth, which becomes most apparent after removal. Also the fact that

by design amalgams have to be drilled very deep doesn't help. Most

people find that the sensistivity dies down after a couple of months

luckily.

> My teeth are very tightly

> packed and it was extremely difficult to insert the dam. Because of

> this, I haven't had a dam with the other removals . None of these

> teeth ache. I think the force of the dam combined with the drill

> dmaged the pulp. You should be OK if your teeth aren't so tightly

> packed.

It could have been the dam, but may well have been as a result of the

original filling.

> Not ideal, I know. The other thing to think of is the length of

> experience of the dentist putting in the composites. These are much

> harder to do well than amalgams, so I would advise a dentist with

> quite a few years experience of private practice (on the NHS they

> still have to use amalgam oin back teeth, so they don't get

> experience of composite placement in molars.

Agree totally that composites are much harder to do than amalgams

(which explains the popularity of amalgams). Unfortunately the problem

with just choosing a more experienced dentist is that the older the

dentist, the more mercury poisoned they will be. One of the effects of

low dose mercury exposure is loss of fine-motor control - ironically

the very same skills needed to place a good composite. My mercury free

dentist (who shall remain nameless) was clearly suffering from mercury

poisoning when I last saw him. I went for a younger guy the next time.

.

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One thing that concerns me: one of the back molars which now has a

composite in it appears to show some staining - I assume from the old

amalgam. Does this residual staining make it unsafe to chelate?

Thanks,

Margaret

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Thanks Josie and Sue for the alternative dentist information. I really

am feeling quite confused about dentists taking out mercury fillings.

NHS dentists must have been removing them for years without any safety

precautions and I don't remember hearing anything at all about it giving

them any problems. Now with the link between mercury and autism, it has

become quite an issue.

Miles.

Tensevern wrote:

> Hi Josie,

>

> I'm near Oakham and go to a mercury-free dentist, Dr Sylvia s, in East

> Leake - full removal precautions taken if required. Three years ago she was

> taking on NHS patients but she'd not put amalgam fillings in so they had to be

> paid for. She tested me for lymphocyte sensitivity to heavy metals - mercury

> came up low/moderate but nickel was very high. I plan to have my 10-or-so

> amalgams replaced as soon as I'm well enough to cope - stressful business,

> dentist visits!

>

> Sue

>

> Josie Wilkinson wrote:

>

>> Hi , we live in Southwell, nice to think of you relatively close by! the

>> dentist is in Ruddington and her name is Dr. Bilkhu.

>>

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