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In a message dated 9/12/03 10:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cassiusdio@... writes:

> Mercola thinks href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm " >otherwise

> (scroll down a bit).

Mercola doesn't address the issue of digestbility at all, if I remember that

article correctly. He says he doesn't think biotin deficiency is a problem.

But he doesn't address the issue of trypsin inhibitors. Why eat egg white's

at all? Why throw away all that biotin to get the 3.5 grams of protein in the

egg white, which is more or less lacking in other nutrients except a small

amount of iron?

The only time I eat egg whites is for taste when I make ommellettes and

scrambled eggs. If I'm eating them raw for my health, I see little point in

even

eating the white.

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I make smoothies with raw eggs (sometimes the yolk only, since there seems

to be this controversy over that, or one whole egg and one egg yolk).

With the eggs I add raw milk yogurt or cream, and five or so strawberries

or some peeled and siced peaches.

I variously may add a tablespoon of raw honey, or a dash of vanilla

extract, or a touch of raw whey, or this probiotic blend that comes in a

fructose base so it's a bit sweet.

They are delicious!

Jill

> Hi

> I'd really like to start eating raw eggs. However,

> I'm not sure how to make them palatable. This morning

> I made a protein shake with vanilla whey protein

> powder, 1 raw egg and heavy cream. It was delicious.

> But I would like to get away from using the protein

> powder (hardly a traditional food!) and cream.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Thanks

>

> Jo

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Terry and Mike:

I've adopted my current egg-eating philosophy from Mike, so naturally we

basically agree.

But consider several reasons to not eat the raw egg white:

--First, there's no evidence it was a traditional practice. Merengues were

developed pretty late as a way to avoid wasting egg whites. According to

Heidi, raw egg yolk recipes are common in traditional Korean cooking.

-- Second, numerous folks on this list have claimed to observe animals eating

eggs, and they naturally eat the *yolk*.

-- Third, raw egg whites taste nasty. Yes, you can easily get used to it,

but that doesn't change the fact that it feels like slime and tastes like sweat.

This fact indicates to me that " primitive " folks would probably not eat it.

-- Fourth, the yolk is bright orange, where as the white looks like an empty

slimy protective coating of the yolk. If you were an animal or a pre-modern

human who were to look at an egg, where would you guess all the " food " was at?

-- Fifth, as Mike pointed out, eating liver gives you more biotin than egg

yolks, and eating cooked eggs gives you as much biotin as raw egg yolks. So why

settle for " enough " biotin when you can have *optimal* biotin? Why not treat

biotin like the other nutrients that Price found his subjects to have

enormous amounts of compared to Americans?

-- Sixth, they *do* have trypsin inhibitors. The issue is complicated

because the body makes its own trypsin inhibitors and certain ones do have

proper

functions, but why on earth would one intentionally ingest enzyme inhibitors?

And why do the raw egg-white-promoters continually brush the issue aside as if

it weren't there?

-- And finally, I don't see what's so incredible about egg whites, and as per

above edible is questionable as well. All the nutrition is concentrated in

the yolk almost without exception. Even the protein is far more concentrated

in the yolk, though since the yolk is much smaller its about equivalent. All

the cholesterol, lecithin, b-vitamins, carotenes, fatty acids, are in the yolk.

Studies that feed eggs to babies for DHA feed only yolk, because the white

is harder to digest (and contains basically no nutritional benefit).

So i think speparating the yolk is basically mimicing what anyone would do

instinctually-- go for the bright colors and the sweet taste, and throw out the

slime. The argument that the egg white is put there by " nature " and so should

be eaten is equivalent to the argument that nature put the shell on the egg

for a reason, so one should simply bite off portions of the egg while the shell

is still on. (which would, ironically, be more nutritious than egg whites!)

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I see the whole raw egg as a perfectly balanced package. Eat just the whites

and you develop a biotin deficiency- something which the yolk has in abundance.

Eat just the yolk, who knows? A biotin toxicity? A see no sense in dividing

the incredible, edible egg.

Terry

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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 PM

Subject: Re: Re: How to eat raw eggs

In a message dated 9/12/03 10:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cassiusdio@... writes:

> Mercola thinks href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm " >otherwise

> (scroll down a bit).

Mercola doesn't address the issue of digestbility at all, if I remember that

article correctly. He says he doesn't think biotin deficiency is a problem.

But he doesn't address the issue of trypsin inhibitors. Why eat egg white's

at all? Why throw away all that biotin to get the 3.5 grams of protein in the

egg white, which is more or less lacking in other nutrients except a small

amount of iron?

The only time I eat egg whites is for taste when I make ommellettes and

scrambled eggs. If I'm eating them raw for my health, I see little point in

even

eating the white.

Chris

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> I see the whole raw egg as a perfectly balanced package. Eat just

the whites and you develop a biotin deficiency- something which the

yolk has in abundance. Eat just the yolk, who knows? A biotin

toxicity? A see no sense in dividing the incredible, edible egg.

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definitely no risk of too much biotin from eggs. first of all, many

people eat many eggs cooked, which gives you the same amount of

biotin as eating just the yolk. also, in general, no biotin toxicity

has been reported for humans, even with very large doses. by the

way, there is much more biotin in liver.

the raw egg white issue has been discussed a bit in the past. see

the archives from a few months ago for my post deconstructing

the " balanced package of nature " idea, and some studies showing less

protein digestibility for raw egg whites.

i agree with chris as far as the " why bother with the white when all

it gives you is a little protein? " reasoning. i've been throwing

away my whites for a long time.

in the end, though, it's not a big deal one way or the other. no

harm will come from eating raw egg whites, but probably little or no

benefit.

i like to crack the egg, pour it into my hand, let the white drip

between my fingers, and pop the delicious yolk into my mouth.

mike parker

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I know what Mercola thinks, but I tend to agree with Berardi on this one.

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> > > Hi

> > > I'd really like to start eating raw eggs. However,

> > > I'm not sure how to make them palatable. This morning

> > > I made a protein shake with vanilla whey protein

> > > powder, 1 raw egg and heavy cream. It was delicious.

> > > But I would like to get away from using the protein

> > > powder (hardly a traditional food!) and cream.

> > >

> > > Any ideas?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > >

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For the record, I don't fall into the " raw egg whites are evil " camp either--

I wouldn't have to think twice to make a desert with a merengue.

But I think that eating whole raw eggs significantly diminishes the

incredibility of the egg, and turns what is basically a superfood into a food.

Unless eggs are one's only source of protein and one needs the extra protein,

there's not much of a reason to eat the white, especially raw.

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This is incorrect.

> > Hi

> > I'd really like to start eating raw eggs. However,

> > I'm not sure how to make them palatable. This morning

> > I made a protein shake with vanilla whey protein

> > powder, 1 raw egg and heavy cream. It was delicious.

> > But I would like to get away from using the protein

> > powder (hardly a traditional food!) and cream.

> >

> > Any ideas?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Jo

> >

> >

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Joanne we routinely blend them with frozen fruit and assorted

other " smoothie " items. blend them into yogurt. Egg nog with raw

milk eggs and cocoa is a nice treat.

Then there's always Rocky Style! ;-)

DMM

> Hi

> I'd really like to start eating raw eggs. However,

> I'm not sure how to make them palatable. This morning

> I made a protein shake with vanilla whey protein

> powder, 1 raw egg and heavy cream. It was delicious.

> But I would like to get away from using the protein

> powder (hardly a traditional food!) and cream.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Thanks

>

> Jo

>

>

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I agree 100% terry.

> I see the whole raw egg as a perfectly balanced package. Eat just

the whites and you develop a biotin deficiency- something which the

yolk has in abundance. Eat just the yolk, who knows? A biotin

toxicity? A see no sense in dividing the incredible, edible egg.

>

> Terry

> From: ChrisMasterjohn@a...

>

> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: How to eat raw eggs

>

>

> In a message dated 9/12/03 10:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> cassiusdio@g... writes:

>

> > Mercola thinks

href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm " >otherwise

> > (scroll down a bit).

>

> Mercola doesn't address the issue of digestbility at all, if I

remember that

> article correctly. He says he doesn't think biotin deficiency

is a problem.

>

> But he doesn't address the issue of trypsin inhibitors. Why eat

egg white's

> at all? Why throw away all that biotin to get the 3.5 grams of

protein in the

> egg white, which is more or less lacking in other nutrients

except a small

> amount of iron?

>

> The only time I eat egg whites is for taste when I make

ommellettes and

> scrambled eggs. If I'm eating them raw for my health, I see

little point in even

> eating the white.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

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Mammals have routinely made practice of raiding nests for whole raw

eggs. I really see little to be concerned with whether it be enzyme

inhibitors or biotin binding issues (which in all honesty don't

exist for any practical purposes)

DMM

> In a message dated 9/12/03 10:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> cassiusdio@g... writes:

>

> > Mercola thinks

href= " http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm " >otherwise

> > (scroll down a bit).

>

> Mercola doesn't address the issue of digestbility at all, if I

remember that

> article correctly. He says he doesn't think biotin deficiency is

a problem.

>

> But he doesn't address the issue of trypsin inhibitors. Why eat

egg white's

> at all? Why throw away all that biotin to get the 3.5 grams of

protein in the

> egg white, which is more or less lacking in other nutrients except

a small

> amount of iron?

>

> The only time I eat egg whites is for taste when I make

ommellettes and

> scrambled eggs. If I'm eating them raw for my health, I see

little point in even

> eating the white.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

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Mike I see no harm in NOT eating your whites but quite honestly

the " egg white evil " thing is much ado about nothing as far as I am

concerned. Either way raw egg is perfectly fine and healthy.

DMM

> > I see the whole raw egg as a perfectly balanced package. Eat

just

> the whites and you develop a biotin deficiency- something which

the

> yolk has in abundance. Eat just the yolk, who knows? A biotin

> toxicity? A see no sense in dividing the incredible, edible egg.

> of this message have been removed]

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@

>

> definitely no risk of too much biotin from eggs. first of all,

many

> people eat many eggs cooked, which gives you the same amount of

> biotin as eating just the yolk. also, in general, no biotin

toxicity

> has been reported for humans, even with very large doses. by the

> way, there is much more biotin in liver.

>

> the raw egg white issue has been discussed a bit in the past. see

> the archives from a few months ago for my post deconstructing

> the " balanced package of nature " idea, and some studies showing

less

> protein digestibility for raw egg whites.

>

> i agree with chris as far as the " why bother with the white when

all

> it gives you is a little protein? " reasoning. i've been throwing

> away my whites for a long time.

>

> in the end, though, it's not a big deal one way or the other. no

> harm will come from eating raw egg whites, but probably little or

no

> benefit.

>

> i like to crack the egg, pour it into my hand, let the white drip

> between my fingers, and pop the delicious yolk into my mouth.

>

> mike parker

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> Mike I see no harm in NOT eating your whites but quite honestly

> the " egg white evil " thing is much ado about nothing as far as I am

> concerned. Either way raw egg is perfectly fine and healthy.

>

> DMM

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See the below excerpt from my post showing that I basically agree

with you!! " egg white evil " wouldn't accurately describe my

viewpoint at all.

Mike

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> > in the end, though, it's not a big deal one way or the other. no

> > harm will come from eating raw egg whites, but probably little or

> > no benefit.

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Now that I have replied to 5 different posts on this topic, a

sixth... after years of debate and research on this topic I

personally find the " dangers " of not eating the white and

the " dangers " of eating the white to be so minimal on either side

that the sheer amount of discussion that has been belabored for

years on this topic is quite remarkable.

Both sides certainly make good points but when reality sets in and

after all the so called research has been addressed I see no

legitimate " danger " in either practice. I'd say this is one where

just make you're personal assessment and do it. Cuz for every dog

that won't eat whites you can find dozens of mammals who'll eat the

white, yolk, shell, chicken, feathers, beak, etc... and certainly

there is some merit to the " negatives " regarding white consumption.

So on this one I find myself in the rather unusual place of

centrist. And considering the political tie in, methinks its a

reverse racism issue against the " whites " . ;-)

DMM

> > > I see the whole raw egg as a perfectly balanced package. Eat

> just

> > the whites and you develop a biotin deficiency- something which

> the

> > yolk has in abundance. Eat just the yolk, who knows? A biotin

> > toxicity? A see no sense in dividing the incredible, edible egg.

> > of this message have been removed]

> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@

> >

> > definitely no risk of too much biotin from eggs. first of all,

> many

> > people eat many eggs cooked, which gives you the same amount of

> > biotin as eating just the yolk. also, in general, no biotin

> toxicity

> > has been reported for humans, even with very large doses. by

the

> > way, there is much more biotin in liver.

> >

> > the raw egg white issue has been discussed a bit in the past.

see

> > the archives from a few months ago for my post deconstructing

> > the " balanced package of nature " idea, and some studies showing

> less

> > protein digestibility for raw egg whites.

> >

> > i agree with chris as far as the " why bother with the white when

> all

> > it gives you is a little protein? " reasoning. i've been

throwing

> > away my whites for a long time.

> >

> > in the end, though, it's not a big deal one way or the other.

no

> > harm will come from eating raw egg whites, but probably little

or

> no

> > benefit.

> >

> > i like to crack the egg, pour it into my hand, let the white

drip

> > between my fingers, and pop the delicious yolk into my mouth.

> >

> > mike parker

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Sorry mike I didn't mean to insinuate that that was your viewpoint,

my apologies if I did.

DMM

> > Mike I see no harm in NOT eating your whites but quite honestly

> > the " egg white evil " thing is much ado about nothing as far as I

am

> > concerned. Either way raw egg is perfectly fine and healthy.

> >

> > DMM

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

>

> See the below excerpt from my post showing that I basically agree

> with you!! " egg white evil " wouldn't accurately describe my

> viewpoint at all.

>

> Mike

>

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Me:

> > > in the end, though, it's not a big deal one way or the other.

no

> > > harm will come from eating raw egg whites, but probably little

or

> > > no benefit.

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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>It was delicious.

>But I would like to get away from using the protein

>powder (hardly a traditional food!) and cream.

Jo:

Kefir or kefiili make delicious smoothies! Toss

some in with some frozen fruit, eggs, or whatever.

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In a message dated 9/14/03 10:04:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

> Well, first thing in the morning when I'm already late

> for work, I don't have time to separate the eggs.

> However, if I wasn't running late, I could separate

> them and make a meringue later that day.

>

> Hmmmm, now there's a thought! Would make a change

> from chocolate cake and egg custard...

I have trouble understanding this. Separation of say, three eggs, adds about

10 seconds to the procedure. I doubt your boss would notice the difference

if you were 10 minutes, or 10 minutes and 10 seconds, late.

Doing it Mike 's way seems like it would be enormously quicker than any

other. You don't have to wash any dishes, or take them out of the cabinet.

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--- ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > In a message

>

> But he doesn't address the issue of trypsin

> inhibitors. Why eat egg white's

> at all? Why throw away all that biotin to get the

> 3.5 grams of protein in the

> egg white, which is more or less lacking in other

> nutrients except a small

> amount of iron?

>

Well, first thing in the morning when I'm already late

for work, I don't have time to separate the eggs.

However, if I wasn't running late, I could separate

them and make a meringue later that day.

Hmmmm, now there's a thought! Would make a change

from chocolate cake and egg custard...

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Thanks everyone for your raw egg recipes. I look

forward to trying them. In fact, it's lunch time and

the glass of Rose' has made me peckish!

So maybe maybe I'll go and attempt something new!

Thing about wine is it makes a person hungry... (just

in case anyone thinks I'm a wino, it's actually

3.30pm, so not too early for a glass of wine.... just

celebrating michael schumacher winning the monza grand

prix!

Jo

--- " Dr. Marasco " <mmarasco@...>

wrote: > Joanne we routinely blend them with frozen

fruit and

> assorted

> other " smoothie " items. blend them into yogurt.

> Egg nog with raw

> milk eggs and cocoa is a nice treat.

>

> Then there's always Rocky Style! ;-)

>

> DMM

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What about Mercola's comment that damaging egg yolks

by blending damages the molecules and so they should

only be whisked gently with a fork? Any comments?

JO

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wrote: > This is incorrect.

>

>

> > I believe raw egg whites are not digestible...

> >

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After the discussion so far on whether or not to eat

egg whites, I will probably continue eating them. I

make a point of eating protein for breakfast every

day, so this would be my protein for the meal.

However, what are the actual benefits of eating them

raw? When I eat cooked eggs I always have the yolk

soft anyway.

I have to say though I don't think I'll eat my

farmers-market eggs raw. Even though they are free

range. In the UK, we have something called the lion

brand. It covers by far the majority of supermarket

eggs and it guarantees they are salmonella free. The

market eggs do not have the lion brand. So I think

I'll have those cooked, just to be safe...

Jo

--- " Dr. Marasco " <mmarasco@...>

wrote: > Mammals have routinely made practice of

raiding

> nests for whole raw

> eggs. I really see little to be concerned with

> whether it be enzyme

> inhibitors or biotin binding issues (which in all

> honesty don't

> exist for any practical purposes)

>

> DMM

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wrote: >

> Jo:

>

> Kefir or kefiili make delicious smoothies! Toss

> some in with some frozen fruit, eggs, or whatever.

Thanks Heidi

I'm still wary of kefir though- it doesn't seem to

agree with me. Maybe mixing it with other foods will

help?

Jo (getting used to the neti pot now! Although my nose

is still partially blocked)

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>Well, first thing in the morning when I'm already late

>for work, I don't have time to separate the eggs.

>However, if I wasn't running late, I could separate

>them and make a meringue later that day.

They keep in the fridge for a week, at least, though I

don't think I'd eat them *raw* after being stored.

Salmonella isn't usually from freshly cracked

eggs, it is from eggs that have been sitting out

after cracking ... the contamination is usually

from the SHELL. They are very very rarely

contaminated inside, but the outside has all

kind of junk on it. I don't think Mercola is correct

about only sick chickens have salmonella ... it does

not make the chicken sick and it is just endemic

in chickens and in reptiles. So you should use

raw eggs (if you are using them raw) quickly after

cracking. The problem with homemade mayo is that is sits

out sometimes ....

Anyway, I have a lot of recipes that only call

for yolks, so I just save the whites then make

something with them. The nice thing about

whites is that they whip into this nice froth ...

which if you add it to baked goods makes fluffy

items. Some people even add it to masa to

make light tamales (really good!) or you can

use it to make cornbread or even regular bread.

Or cakes. Just make your batter then fold in the

whites.

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>I'm still wary of kefir though- it doesn't seem to

>agree with me. Maybe mixing it with other foods will

>help?

I can't eat much of it myself ... I'm casein intolerant

and I can eat SOME of it but not much.

==

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