Re: Rose Cultivation for Perfumery

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Mark said: " All roses I grow are

antiques, some even ancient, because they possess the " true " rose

fragrance and are powerfully scented. "

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What roses do you grow that are 'ancient', might I ask?

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> From: ankhefenpaaten <potpourri@...>

> Subject: Rose Cultivation for Perfumery

>

> Date: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008, 1:12 PM

> It is Rose Harvest time (in Chicago), one of the busiest

> times of the

> agricultural year for me. Every day for approximately

> three to four

> weeks I harvest all the newly opened flowers by mid-morning

> and then

> (the real work!) strip all of the flowers of their petals,

> keeping

> only the petals and discarding everything else. It is very

> time-

> consuming hand work which I do on a small scale and have

> the utmost

> respect and admiration for those large-scale rose

> harvesters in

> Turkey, Bulgaria, Morocco, India, etc. All roses I grow

> are

> antiques, some even ancient, because they possess the

> " true " rose

> fragrance and are powerfully scented. Most bloom only once

> per year

> (thank God!), but what a blooming they do. I have counted

> over one

> thousand roses harvested on a single day on just one Alba

> climber I

> grow (Madame Plantier) that is 12 feet high and 6 feet

> wide!

>

> My favorite roses are the Damasks (Rose damascena),

> although I do

> also grow and harvest Albas, Bourbons and Gallicas. I

> currently do

> not grow any Centifolias or Mosses.

>

> Mark

>

Hi

It is the busiest time of year isn't it! Everything is out ... I have also

spent the morning going round all my roses. One bush is huge and like you are

all highly perfumed varieties...I adore the mosses as well as bourbans, damasks

and albas...I sadly lost a few a few years ago.... and there is much work needed

in the garden as I am not able to get out there as much as I used to.. alba

Cuisse de nymphe/ Great Maidens Blush etc is in full bud and huge too not as big

as your alba Mme Plantier pink rather than cream/ white and more thorns <G> but

plenty for me to be going on with :-D... I have a few blossoms out at present

and I really am looking forward to tincturing .. I just hope that it doesn't

rain too much and spoil the petals... the ancient apothecaries rose is out

(Gallicanae)as also, rosa mundi.... I think the cultivars for mass rose

production is fascinating and I look forward to Butch's answers to your

enquiry... Pouchers books go into it a

bit...

I find this work all rather peaceful, concentrative almost zen like, I just

enjoy being outside hearing the birds, the plants and the insects and noticing

anything and everything ...

happy sigh .... each season brings its own particular joy....

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

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> It is Rose Harvest time (in Chicago), one of the busiest times of

the

> agricultural year for me.

, sounds wonderful! I actually just bought a Kazanluk rose bush

on Sunday and am going to put it into the ground this morning. I am

hoping that next year I will be in your condition and have too much

harvesting to do. I bought a second rose too that by golly, I can't

remember its name and the nursery took the tag out of the pot!

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What is the best way coax the rose fragrance from the petals?

Alcohol? Oil infusion?

Thanks,

Cheryl

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Hi

I would give it a try using oil and alcohol! Last year, Anya talked

about the dried rose petals infusion and I gave it a try and it is

still smelling wonderfully and sensually.

This year, I am infusing (dried rose petals) in sweet almond oil and

leave it in the sun! hope I get the same sucessful outcome! yes,

changing the petals every 2 days....

Hope this helps!

Angi

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Angi said: This year, I am infusing (dried rose petals) in sweet almond oil

How do most of you dry your items, in this example rose petals? I have lots

and lots of roses that are just now blooming - I've been growing them

organically now for about five years and this is the first year I've felt

safe in using them (pesticide free for five years) for tincturing or

infusion. How do you keep the dust and dirt off of them but still allow

the air to circulate and dry them? I know there must be a simple answer to

this - I just haven't found it.

Thanks in advance.

Ann

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Hi,

I place the rose petals on a paper bag or just a plain paper and leave

them on the table with the door open. So it is not too hot and not too

cold. Sometimes, I leave it in my bedroom so that the room gets this

lovely rose smell!

Maybe some professional perfumers might have better suggestions.

Angi

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> What is the best way coax the rose fragrance from the

> petals?

> Alcohol? Oil infusion?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheryl

Hi Cheryl

I think it may depend on the type/genus.... the reason I'm tincturing the Alba

this year is I made a small trial last year and was exceptionally pleased with

the results so I thought I would do it in earnest this year. I will follow on

with another variety this year with again a small trial and see what happens...

that's the fun! :-D

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

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>

>

>

> How do most of you dry your items, in this example rose

> petals? I have lots

> and lots of roses that are just now blooming - I've

> been growing them

> organically now for about five years and this is the first

> year I've felt

> safe in using them (pesticide free for five years) for

> tincturing or

> infusion. How do you keep the dust and dirt off of them

> but still allow

> the air to circulate and dry them? I know there must be a

> simple answer to

> this - I just haven't found it.

>

>

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

> Ann

>

>

Hi Ann

How lovely..... you must be so excited.. I don't know where you live... Do you

know the types and names..

I think you will have many pleasurable hours.

I use kitchen Towel and any large tin or Tray and fluff up to keep the air

circulating.... the kitchen towels absorb excess moisture and I keep them

usually in the drying room... the light is not direct there and it is dry and

warm...

hope this helps

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

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Hi Janita – thanks for your response. The two of my favorites and the most

fragrant are Double Delight and Scentimental. They are both tea roses and I

have several of each. I also have several floribundas but they aren’t nearly

as fragrant although prolific. I know this is a stupid question, but when you

say you use a kitchen towel – do you put that underneath the petals or on top

of the petals?

Thanks.

Ann

Ann C. Wooledge, Rn, CCAP

Wingsets Aromatherapy (www.wingsets.com)

....and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of Him.

II Cor. 2:14

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when you say you use a kitchen towel

> – do you put that underneath the petals or on top of the

> petals?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ann

>

Underneath Ann.... layered.... with petals on top so that when you fluff any

excess moisture is absorbed ....if the petals are soaking wet obviously you may

have to change the towels.. a few times... but I don't know if you have that

much rain where you are.. I try not to gather if it has been raining ... in fact

I thought rain was due and I quickly went out this morning and harvested to

avoid that.

Other gatherer/harvesters may have other techniques that they may wish to

share?...

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

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Ann Wooledge wrote:

> Angi said: This year, I am infusing (dried rose petals) in sweet almond oil

>

>

>

> How do most of you dry your items, in this example rose petals? I have lots

> and lots of roses that are just now blooming - I've been growing them

> organically now for about five years and this is the first year I've felt

> safe in using them (pesticide free for five years) for tincturing or

> infusion. How do you keep the dust and dirt off of them but still allow

> the air to circulate and dry them? I know there must be a simple answer to

> this - I just haven't found it.

I use a special food dryer....it's like a miniature hair dryer hooked

over a stack of round trays.....it's probably not the best solution

scent wise , as the warm air probably robs some of the smell...but it

dries the petals quickly...

I used to lose whole batches trying to air dry them as they get moldy

here ver quickly.....So now I dry them (takes around half an hour), then

leave them to absorb a little moisture back (they get quite brittle as I

often leave them just that tad too long in the dryer) and then put them

in an airtight jar.

Ambrosia

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wrote:

>I actually just bought a Kazanluk rose bush on Sunday and am going to put

>it into the ground this morning. I am hoping that next year I will be in

>your condition and have too much harvesting to do.

Hello :

You are going to love the scent of the Kazanluk, but remember this saying

that my Mom (a master gardener) used to say about perennials: " The first

year they sleep; the second year they creep; and the third year they

LEAP. " So, don't expect a huge harvest next June from a bush planted this

year, but by 2011...BOUNTY. Remember to fertilize your roses heavily with a

really excellent, organic, solid rose food at the beginning of May so that

your roses have enough time to feed in order to make more flowers by June.

Your efforts will be rewarded.

Mark