Re: warrior diet revisted (sorry bee ;-)

[Guest guest]

>2) what do you all eat/drink during the day, if anything? the idea is to

>avoid carbs during the day mostly, right? and limit fat? and limit calories,

>right? would a small kefir/fruit smoothie be within the recommendations? i

>can't think of what else to drink/eat during the day except veggie juice,

>BUT a) i can't afford to do that daily and i don't think it's healthy to

>do daily. any suggestions for light stuff (preferably drinks) to have during

>the day?

It will be nice to hear your opinions!

I eat very little at this point. I tend to get hungry in the morning

so I eat a banana, and I munch on carrots if my stomach starts

rumbling. I eat a little at lunch to be sociable (maybe 2 oz of meat

and some salad). He calls the daytime eating " controlled undereating "

and basically the idea is to go for raw stuff (at least, the Romans did!

They called the daytime raw food " crudites " , love that name). I don't

think the Romans did juicing much <g>.

>3) there are a few activities that make me positively *famished*. working

>out is one. if i do any activities during the day that make me

>famished...what's an acceptable recovery meal/drink? i've been having some

>combination of kefir/goatein/whey/blueberries/egg yolk. is this just too

>much fat for the daytime for a warrioress?

Good question for . My workouts haven't been hard enough

to make me famished, except the other day when I went swimming

(swimming makes me HUNGRY!).

He basically says: if you feel hungry, have something raw. If

you are STILL hungry after 20 minutes, then go ahead and eat!

The idea is to have not many rules, listen to your body. You can

work up to storing a lot of glycogen so you *don't* need to eat

after a workout, but it doesn't happen overnight. After I went

swimming, with the kids, there was no food available and they

were starved too so we went to ... Burger King! Something

I don't do, really! and I downed a burger (no bun) and fries,

at 6 pm. Not exactly ideal, but I had a 2 hour drive ahead

of me, and did fine.

He actually recommends his Warrior shakes though ... he

has his own blend of whey.

>4) is it OK to eat dinner as early as say...5 p.m.?

Depends when you go to bed? I stay up late, so my " eating

window " is 7-11 (try to quit 2 hours before you need to

sleep). But I think you need to " sneak up " on making

the evening meal later, do it gradually. Well, maybe you

don't if you are already fasting ok. I've been having an apple

or whatever if I get hungry at 5, then have my green salad

starting at 6 (which really turns into 7, because it takes

me awhile to make it) and then I go out berry picking and

snack on berries for awhile (they are best fresh off the vine,

I think!) then come in and make dinner.

>i realize some of this may have been covered already but searching the

>archives for it is like searching for the proverbial needle in the haystack

>- there must he hundreds of posts with " warrior diet " in the subject line!

>no kidding, i looked. <just ask bee ;-)>

Well, not to worry, we'll probably beat the Warrior Diet record with

Underage-men/Epistles/Politics meandering ... I'm surprised no one

has complained?

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Suze,

I'm sure it would make more sense to get a reply from someone who actually

has the book, but I'll just share how I've adapted it since I've been doing it.

During the day I was eating nothing, but I got a little sick and also started

school so I decided to moderate this. I limit by carbs to raw fruit (there

aren't many raw veggies I can tolerate, short of salad greens, which are gross

without dressing etc), I limit my food to 100% raw, and I severely restrict my

calories. My raw idea is based on his belief that this promotes detoxing

during the day.

So yesterday I had three raw egg yolks and a quarter cup of wild blueberries

for breakfast. This is about 1/10 the caloric value of a typical breakfast

for me, so it is pretty insignificant. For lunch, I had kefir blended together

with some wild blueberries. Since I'm sick I'm doing all-raw the rest of the

day, and for dinner had 6 raw egg yolks, a bowl of blueberries, some raw

cream, and a half gallon of kefir. (Usually I'd eat a much bigger dinner, but,

as

I said, being sick...)

During the day I also drink green tea or coffee, though I find green tea to

be a better option, but like coffee :-)

Working out with weights and not eating afterwards is a very bad idea, and

you should have something with a significant amount of protein but you also need

carbs and whatnot. posted Ori's idea of a post-workout snack

recently in response to Dr. Mike.

I usually start dinner around 5. I don't eat " one big meal. " I eat between

5 and 9 generally. I guess it would depend when you want to go to bed. If

you go to bed a midnight, I'd personally start dinner later. I usually eat

several rounds of protein first, like liver, bacon, eggs, and salmon, and then

have a glass of kombucha. Then I'll wait ten minutes or so and drink some kefir

while I put some carbs on like sauteed veggies and so on etc.

You have stored body fat?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>2) what do you all eat/drink during the day, if anything? the idea is to

>avoid carbs during the day mostly, right? and limit fat? and limit

calories,

>right? would a small kefir/fruit smoothie be within the recommendations? i

>can't think of what else to drink/eat during the day except veggie juice,

>BUT a) i can't afford to do that daily and i don't think it's healthy to

>do daily. any suggestions for light stuff (preferably drinks) to have

during

>the day?

It will be nice to hear your opinions!

----->well thanks! it's always good to hear from " someone else " , isn't it?

LOL

>>>>I eat very little at this point. I tend to get hungry in the morning

so I eat a banana, and I munch on carrots if my stomach starts

rumbling. I eat a little at lunch to be sociable (maybe 2 oz of meat

and some salad). He calls the daytime eating " controlled undereating "

and basically the idea is to go for raw stuff (at least, the Romans did!

They called the daytime raw food " crudites " , love that name). I don't

think the Romans did juicing much <g>.

------>LOL! no, i doubt they did. and i *rarely* do it myself. it just

seemed like a good thing to do during my last two liquid fasts. my eating

schedule is VERY flexible and i typically eat two meals a day, one often

being just a kefir/yolk/fruit smoothie in the a.m. or, if really hungry,

eggs, potatoes, bacon, green veggie, and kefir. but most often, it's been a

smoothie of all raw ingredients. however, it's way too filling to be part of

a " fasting " period. perhaps i should save that for my recovery meal after

working out, if at all. i do want to get my water-soluble vitamins twice

daily, so i'll likely have something to take them with in the a.m. if even

just a piece of fruit or something. maybe a few spoons of kimchi would do

it.

>3) there are a few activities that make me positively *famished*. working

>out is one. if i do any activities during the day that make me

>famished...what's an acceptable recovery meal/drink? i've been having some

>combination of kefir/goatein/whey/blueberries/egg yolk. is this just too

>much fat for the daytime for a warrioress?

>>>>Good question for . My workouts haven't been hard enough

to make me famished, except the other day when I went swimming

(swimming makes me HUNGRY!).

>>>He basically says: if you feel hungry, have something raw. If

you are STILL hungry after 20 minutes, then go ahead and eat!

------>well, the point of the recovery meal, aside from quenching hunger, is

to build muscle. you're supposed to eat something high in protein within 30

mins of the workout, i believe. lately, i've been taking my " recovery shake "

to the gym, and sipping on it as soon as i finish my workout. previously,

i'd have it as soon as i got home, but i often run errands after working

out, so don't always go straight home. i can see the muscles in my legs are

defintely larger than they were about a month ago, but i can't say for sure

it has anything to do with the recovery shake, but i'd guess at least in

part. i'd like to continue with my recovery shake for that reason. i suppose

i could cut back on the kefir and up the whey, but doesn't protein require

fat for proper assimilation? that's why i added the kefir.

interestingly, the *first* day of my liquid fast i had a glass of veggie

juice in the a.m. and that's all i had before going to the gym around 3 p.m.

my energy was very good and i did 5 pull-ups, which is the most i've ever

done. i had only started doing pull-ups a few weeks ago, although i did

start off being able to do 2 or 3. i was pretty surprised that i did five

while fasting though. i hope that will be typical on the warrior diet when i

don't eat anything substantial during the day, before my workout.

>4) is it OK to eat dinner as early as say...5 p.m.?

Depends when you go to bed? I stay up late, so my " eating

window " is 7-11 (try to quit 2 hours before you need to

sleep). But I think you need to " sneak up " on making

the evening meal later, do it gradually.

----->that's just the most convenient time for me, after i've returned from

my workout, walked the dogs, fed the dogs, etc. mainly because i've been

working at night lately, often up until 9 or 10, so i like to get my evening

meal out of the way in order to have a solid chunk of time to work. i'm sure

i could have a piece of fruit or something though and get some work done

earlier, then eat later. normally i don't like eating at 5. i think of it as

something elderly people do, cause my grandparents always used to eat around

5. i think working people rarely are even home at that time! LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

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University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

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[Guest guest]

No need to say sorry. I got over my objections and realized this

group covers a very broad range of topics and I learned how the

Warrior Diet relates to WAP. Thanks anyhow.

Bee

> Suze,

>

> I'm sure it would make more sense to get a reply from someone who

actually

> has the book, but I'll just share how I've adapted it since I've

been doing it.

>

> During the day I was eating nothing, but I got a little sick and

also started

> school so I decided to moderate this. I limit by carbs to raw

fruit (there

> aren't many raw veggies I can tolerate, short of salad greens,

which are gross

> without dressing etc), I limit my food to 100% raw, and I severely

restrict my

> calories. My raw idea is based on his belief that this promotes

detoxing

> during the day.

>

> So yesterday I had three raw egg yolks and a quarter cup of wild

blueberries

> for breakfast. This is about 1/10 the caloric value of a typical

breakfast

> for me, so it is pretty insignificant. For lunch, I had kefir

blended together

> with some wild blueberries. Since I'm sick I'm doing all-raw the

rest of the

> day, and for dinner had 6 raw egg yolks, a bowl of blueberries,

some raw

> cream, and a half gallon of kefir. (Usually I'd eat a much bigger

dinner, but, as

> I said, being sick...)

>

> During the day I also drink green tea or coffee, though I find

green tea to

> be a better option, but like coffee :-)

>

> Working out with weights and not eating afterwards is a very bad

idea, and

> you should have something with a significant amount of protein but

you also need

> carbs and whatnot. posted Ori's idea of a post-workout

snack

> recently in response to Dr. Mike.

>

> I usually start dinner around 5. I don't eat " one big meal. " I

eat between

> 5 and 9 generally. I guess it would depend when you want to go to

bed. If

> you go to bed a midnight, I'd personally start dinner later. I

usually eat

> several rounds of protein first, like liver, bacon, eggs, and

salmon, and then

> have a glass of kombucha. Then I'll wait ten minutes or so and

drink some kefir

> while I put some carbs on like sauteed veggies and so on etc.

>

> You have stored body fat?

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/5/03 5:50:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> I got a library copy. There might be some used copies at Amazon. Make

> sure you buy it through my website so I get credit (only joking).

what is your website?

> By the way, what are some of the other activities that make you famished?

> ;-)

lol!

chris

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:26:01 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

> 1) where can i find the best price on the book? is it important to get the

> latest edition?

I got a library copy. There might be some used copies at Amazon. Make

sure you buy it through my website so I get credit (only joking).

>

> 2) what do you all eat/drink during the day, if anything? the idea is to

> avoid carbs during the day mostly, right? and limit fat? and limit calories,

> right? would a small kefir/fruit smoothie be within the recommendations? i

> can't think of what else to drink/eat during the day except veggie juice,

> BUT a) i can't afford to do that daily and i don't think it's healthy to

> do daily. any suggestions for light stuff (preferably drinks) to have during

> the day?

If you like I can send you the description of the diet and what to eat

from the website.

>

> 3) there are a few activities that make me positively *famished*. working

> out is one. if i do any activities during the day that make me

> famished...what's an acceptable recovery meal/drink? i've been having some

> combination of kefir/goatein/whey/blueberries/egg yolk. is this just too

> much fat for the daytime for a warrioress?

Warrioress...I like that <weg>

That sounds like a lot of stuff. He has his own whey product as a

recovery meal. Sounds pretty good as far as those kinds of things go.

You will probably have to experiment to find out what works best for you.

I have done smoothies (kefir, eggs, blueberries), fruit alone, and even

just lemon water. Ori said in the interview he ate half a chicken once,

IIRC.

You just have to figure out what works best for you. I'm thinking of

drinking homemade whey with coconut water.

By the way, what are some of the other activities that make you famished?

;-)

>

> 4) is it OK to eat dinner as early as say...5 p.m.?

Depends on the cycle you choose. 5pm is way to early for me. I will send

you his explanation.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:51:26 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

> ------>well, the point of the recovery meal, aside from quenching hunger, is

> to build muscle. you're supposed to eat something high in protein within 30

> mins of the workout,

That is one of the current theories anyway. These things have a way of

changing all the time. You just have to find what is best for you.

>

> >4) is it OK to eat dinner as early as say...5 p.m.?

>

> Depends when you go to bed? I stay up late, so my " eating

> window " is 7-11 (try to quit 2 hours before you need to

> sleep). But I think you need to " sneak up " on making

> the evening meal later, do it gradually.

>

> ----->that's just the most convenient time for me, after i've returned from

> my workout, walked the dogs, fed the dogs, etc. mainly because i've been

> working at night lately, often up until 9 or 10, so i like to get my evening

> meal out of the way in order to have a solid chunk of time to work. i'm sure

> i could have a piece of fruit or something though and get some work done

> earlier, then eat later. normally i don't like eating at 5. i think of it as

> something elderly people do, cause my grandparents always used to eat around

> 5. i think working people rarely are even home at that time! LOL

>

Well for me after a royal feast the *last* thing I want to do is go back

to work. Especially if wine or beer was a part of the meal, which it

usually is. Maybe chat on the computer, maybe a few other things, but

work? NAWWWWWW. LOL!!

[Guest guest]

> 1) where can i find the best price on the book? is it important to get the

> latest edition?

I got a library copy. There might be some used copies at Amazon. Make

sure you buy it through my website so I get credit (only joking).

---->LOL!

>

> 3) there are a few activities that make me positively *famished*. working

> out is one. if i do any activities during the day that make me

> famished...what's an acceptable recovery meal/drink? i've been having some

> combination of kefir/goatein/whey/blueberries/egg yolk. is this just too

> much fat for the daytime for a warrioress?

>>>>That sounds like a lot of stuff. He has his own whey product as a

recovery meal. Sounds pretty good as far as those kinds of things go.

You will probably have to experiment to find out what works best for you.

I have done smoothies (kefir, eggs, blueberries), fruit alone, and even

just lemon water.

----->how is that any different than mine? goatein is milk protein, so all

i'm getting are milk components, yolk and blueberries, like you.

>>>>You just have to figure out what works best for you. I'm thinking of

drinking homemade whey with coconut water.

---->hey, that sounds great!!

>>>By the way, what are some of the other activities that make you famished?

;-)

-----> *you* would ask. ;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------