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I have two questions related to stock that maybe people can answer.

First, does the gelatin which is so beneficial undergo any harm from

repeated/extended heating. I made beef stock this weekend, let it

chill, then removed the top layer of fat (it stinks - yeck) and am

left with a nice thick gelatin. Tonight I cooked lentils in stock +

water at a gentle boil

for a long time. Did I lose any nutritional benefit of the stock by

cooking the beans a long time at a fairly high heat?

This also comes up when my stock has been refrigerated (not frozen) 5

days. NT recommends boiling it to keep it from going bad, at that

point. How long should I boil it and does that affect the gelatin?

Can I do this after a 2nd 5-day period (probably not a good idea as

I'd be getting bacterial byproducts from having it in the fridge too

long?)

Second, this is a mechanical question. I leave the stock pot

on very low heat overnight as NT recommends. I have a gas stove. The

flame has never gone out, but I do worry about the flame going out and

gas being released into my house. Could that possibly happen, if the

flame has been burning steadily for several hours, could it suddenly

go out? There is no breeze or anything.

I don't have a crock pot and I've noticed these days many are made

with artificial coating even if they say stoneware.

Thanks,

Daphne

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>. The

>flame has never gone out, but I do worry about the flame going out and

>gas being released into my house. Could that possibly happen, if the

>flame has been burning steadily for several hours, could it suddenly

>go out? There is no breeze or anything.

Many gas stoves have a pilot light, and THAT could go out too. You

can get an alarm to go off in case of a gas leak, which I'd be

tempted to do if I had gas.

I turn off my stock at night, and restart it in the AM. I just don't

trust my stove. The ideal would be something like a " straw box "

which would keep it hot (and ideally, cooking) all night without

fuel.

-- Heidi

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> >. The

> >flame has never gone out, but I do worry about the flame going out and

> >gas being released into my house. Could that possibly happen, if the

> >flame has been burning steadily for several hours, could it suddenly

> >go out? There is no breeze or anything.

>

> Many gas stoves have a pilot light, and THAT could go out too. You

> can get an alarm to go off in case of a gas leak, which I'd be

> tempted to do if I had gas.

You mean a pilot light apart from the one in each burner? Or do you

mean the 4 pilots in the burners? Is there a gas alarm that you can

set by the stove?

(I don't know if my fire alarms detect gas and I don't want to 'alarm'

my husband by asking him <g>.)

> I turn off my stock at night, and restart it in the AM.

Does this go for beef and chicken stock (assuming you make both)? Do

you refrigerate it during the night, and if not, are you unconcerned

about bacterial growth? (Come to think of it I keep the stock

simmering so low I wonder about bacterial growth anyway, since I don't

think it's at boiling point during the 24-hour simmer.)

I just don't

> trust my stove. The ideal would be something like a " straw box "

> which would keep it hot (and ideally, cooking) all night without

> fuel.

Never heard of it, any web links?

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>You mean a pilot light apart from the one in each burner? Or do you

>mean the 4 pilots in the burners? Is there a gas alarm that you can

>set by the stove?

Well, in the new stoves I'm not sure. In the one I used to have,

there was one little flame somewhere that always was on ...

maybe they've done away with that now!

>(I don't know if my fire alarms detect gas and I don't want to 'alarm'

>my husband by asking him <g>.)

Probably not. Most fire alarms just detect fire.

Does this go for beef and chicken stock (assuming you make both)? Do

>you refrigerate it during the night, and if not, are you unconcerned

>about bacterial growth? (Come to think of it I keep the stock

>simmering so low I wonder about bacterial growth anyway, since I don't

>think it's at boiling point during the 24-hour simmer.)

I AM concerned about bacteria, but not THAT concerned. I make

a big pot of it. When it's boiling/simmering, it is at 200 or so

degrees, way too hot for bacteria to live (though some spores

might). It takes, say 4-6 hours to cool down past 140, which

is the highest any germs could even think about living, but

since the lid is on, nothing can get in anyway and spores

won't sprout til it gets down to, say 90 for several hours

or a day. But when I wake up, it is still pretty hot, and

I'm pretty sure nothing has even started to grow ... and

then I boil it again.

The last time I boil it, I stick the whole thing in ice water

and cool it quickly.

>I just don't

>> trust my stove. The ideal would be something like a " straw box "

>> which would keep it hot (and ideally, cooking) all night without

>> fuel.

>

>Never heard of it, any web links?

You can search on " straw box " . I don't have a really good link

handy. Basically it was popular in the 1800's -- it was a box

lined with straw, and you put the pan in it and it kept the

whole thing hot. With a soapstone added, you could cook

in it (I'd guess they kept the stone away from the straw

though, so the straw wouldn't catch fire). The idea was the

lady of the house could cook without keeping an eye on

the stove ... quite an advantage in woodburning days!

-- Heidi

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Daphne

I can't answer your other question, but you should

never ever leave the gas running unattended for any

length of time.

Jo

--- Daphne Blumenthal <biophile410@...> wrote:

>> Second, this is a mechanical question. I leave the

> stock pot

> on very low heat overnight as NT recommends. I have

> a gas stove. The

> flame has never gone out, but I do worry about the

> flame going out and

> gas being released into my house. Could that

> possibly happen, if the

> flame has been burning steadily for several hours,

> could it suddenly

> go out? There is no breeze or anything.

>

>

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>NT says that stock containing liberal amounts of gelatin should thicken or even

jell when refrigerated. It also says that free-range chickens give the best

results but many battery-raised chickens will not produce stock that gels

I've had the opposite experience ... my homegrown chickens don't gel

nearly as much. Tho it may have to do with age ... storebought chickens are

REALLY young (4 weeks old or so) so their bones have not hardened so

much, so they have more gelatin.

I've also found that I get more " gel " from BAKED chicken, where I bake

the chicken, butterflied over a mess of vegies. The juice from the vegies

and the chicken mix, and it is really, really wonderful and makes a great

soup base. However, other people, again, seem to have the opposite

experience!

-- Heidi Jean

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