Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 this feels great! didn't know you could 'vote a review out'!!! what'you say we try and remove all these good reviews on his stupid book? I'm up for it, how about everybody else? next one up should be Kirby's Evidence of Harm. Natasa > > Many thanks to those of you who helped my mini-campaign against the > unfair and misleading reviews of " Autism, Brain and Environment " . I am > pleased to say that the Stanton and Fitzpatrick reviews have been > removed from amazon.co.uk - job done! > > Obviously this was just a small skirmish in a much bigger war, but > worth doing. > > Now, how about giving Fitzpatrick a taste of his own medicine and > posting our own reviews of his MMR book an Amazon: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/MMR-Autism-- > Fitzpatrick/dp/0415321794/sr=1-4/qid=1157638147/ref=sr_1_4/026-6699489- > 3806055?ie=UTF8 & s=books > > It currently has an average **** rating which is quite undeserved. > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 WOW..accolades all round.. Fitzpatrick book Many thanks to those of you who helped my mini-campaign against the unfair and misleading reviews of "Autism, Brain and Environment". I am pleased to say that the Stanton and Fitzpatrick reviews have been removed from amazon.co.uk - job done!Obviously this was just a small skirmish in a much bigger war, but worth doing.Now, how about giving Fitzpatrick a taste of his own medicine and posting our own reviews of his MMR book an Amazon:http://www.amazon.co.uk/MMR-Autism--Fitzpatrick/dp/0415321794/sr=1-4/qid=1157638147/ref=sr_1_4/026-6699489-3806055?ie=UTF8 & s=booksIt currently has an average **** rating which is quite undeserved.Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 In a message dated 08/09/2006 22:09:59 GMT Daylight Time, autistischen@... writes: HI THERE ABSOLUTELY THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT, INFORMATION PROVISION, SUPPORT BIG TIME, DISCUSSION ABSOLUTELY AND DEBATE... YES WE DO THAT WHEN WE CONSIDER SOMETHING WORTH DEABATING! When I first joined A-B-E I noticed that one of the purposes is for "support, discussion and debate." So I was encouraged to read this post, nOT SURE OF THE EXACT POINT HERE, TERRIBLY UNCLEAR.... YES WE DO HAVE TO LSISTEN TO RIGOROUS QUESTIONS, OFFER ANSWERS, BUT DO U ACTAULLY THINK MEDICS WILL EVER LISTEN WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THERE IS STRAING THEM IN THE FACE... "If we want these theories to be accepted, then we have to be able to listen to rigorous questions and offer comprehensive answers that prove the point. Otherwise, you can keep telling people that it's mercury, viral, etc. for ever and the established medical community won't listen." IT IS MERCURY AND OTHER HAEAVY METALS AND YES VIRUSES PLAY A BIG PART IN MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION.... Then I came across this. Not much debate here is there, if instead of replying to critics you try to silence them? WELL ACTUALLY THIS IS THE DEBATE, WE DISAGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH PEOPE LIKE MICHAEL FITZPATRICK... THERE ARE NO EXPERTS. HIS OPINIONS HIS OPINION, THATS ALL! IF YOU KOW KIDS THAT ARE DAMAGED BY VACCINES THIS BOOK IS A AHUGE DIS-SERVICE TO THEM.... The reviews were reinstated after I wrote to Amazon. Incidentally, my review of Lathe's book was based on a detailed examination of the evidence for New Phase Autism. I published this on my blog http://mikestanton.wordpress.com People are welcome to disagree with me and I welcome comments either here or on my blog. I DISAGREE WITH YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE NOW HAD A FANTASTIC ADVERT FOR YOUR WEBSITE OR BLOGOR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT... BULLY FOR YOU! BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU WRITE ON THERE DOESNT REALLY AGREE WITH THE AIMS OF THIS GROUP, ARE YOU SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR YOU?? WITH VERY BEST WISHES, HOPE YOU HAVE HAD LOADSA HITS ON YOUR WEBSITE! DR CAROLINE TRAA (BSC, PHD) VERY PRO, AUTISM TREATMENT.... AND YES AUTISM IS CURABLE, THANK GOD ALL YOU PARENTS (MUMS EVEN, HOW NON PC!!) ARE HERE... WITH YOUR 3 YEAR OLDS I LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING A MAJOR PART IN THEIR RECOVERY!! YOU SEE MR STANTON, THATS WHY WE DO THIS, TO HELPOTHERS HELP THEIR KIDS AND SPARE THEM THE TRAUMA WE HAVE HAD WITH OUR CHILDREN... WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR AGENDA. LUV N FLOWERS CAROLINE XXXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 In a message dated 08/09/2006 22:10:06 GMT Daylight Time, autistischen@... writes: Then I came across this. Not much debate here is there, if instead of replying to critics you try to silence them? >>>>>I cannot believe that folks that have really EXAMINED the current EVIDENCE can make such statements thats all for me. I don't like being described as a fool for thinking my child may improve if his health improves. (It already has by the way - he is unrecognoisable to the dribbling, pooping, sad individual he was) I don't like hearing about children sreaming in PAIN and their doctors being too scared to help them lest they end up like Andy Wakefield. And its peices, articles and comments in the press by folks like M Fitzpatrick and Deer that perpetuate the myth that parents who recognise health problems in their children are part of a cult or worshippers of AW etc And its cool to be different.................well I won't go there. Its not at all cool to watch a child in pain Folks on the list are curious about or accept that biomedical treatments have a place. Those parents and carers ended up here because their kids are ill. I'm not here to have to waste energy debating with folks who present a biased argument and appear not to have investigated the issue or spent time with kids in pain - they can;t have done because if they had they would be pushing for approriate research and not knocking every person or publication that tries to do so. What was it on EoH - book based on hearsay??? From a quarter way through that book - I lived the evidence of harm, and I tucked him into bed just now. JMHO Mandi Rodwell Sam 47XYY, Autism. Heavy Metal Toxicity, Possible Seizure Disorder improving greatly with biomedical intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 When I first joined A-B-E I noticed that one of the purposes is for "support, discussion and debate." So I was encouraged to read this post,"If we want these theories to be accepted, then we have to be able to listen to rigorous questions and offer comprehensive answers that prove the point. Otherwise, you can keep telling people that it's mercury, viral, etc. for ever and the established medical community won't listen."Then I came across this. Not much debate here is there, if instead of replying to critics you try to silence them? The reviews were reinstated after I wrote to Amazon. Incidentally, my review of Lathe's book was based on a detailed examination of the evidence for New Phase Autism. I published this on my blog http://mikestanton.wordpress.com People are welcome to disagree with me and I welcome comments either here or on my blog. this feels great! didn't know you could 'vote a review out'!!! what'you say we try and remove all these good reviews on his stupid book? I'm up for it, how about everybody else? next one up should be Kirby's Evidence of Harm. Natasa > > Many thanks to those of you who helped my mini-campaign against the > unfair and misleading reviews of "Autism, Brain and Environment" . I am > pleased to say that the Stanton and Fitzpatrick reviews have been > removed from amazon.co.uk - job done! > > Obviously this was just a small skirmish in a much bigger war, but > worth doing. > > Now, how about giving Fitzpatrick a taste of his own medicine and > posting our own reviews of his MMR book an Amazon: > >-- Mike Stanton ttp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I think we should all ignore this and get on with our difficult lives. Sara Re: Re: Fitzpatrick book When I first joined A-B-E I noticed that one of the purposes is for " support, discussion and debate. " So I was encouraged to read this post, " If we want these theories to be accepted, then we have to be able to listen to rigorous questions and offer comprehensive answers that prove the point. Otherwise, you can keep telling people that it's mercury, viral, etc. for ever and the established medical community won't listen. " Then I came across this. Not much debate here is there, if instead of replying to critics you try to silence them? The reviews were reinstated after I wrote to Amazon. Incidentally, my review of Lathe's book was based on a detailed examination of the evidence for New Phase Autism. I published this on my blog http://mikestanton.wordpress.com People are welcome to disagree with me and I welcome comments either here or on my blog. this feels great! didn't know you could 'vote a review out'!!! what'you say we try and remove all these good reviews on his stupid book? I'm up for it, how about everybody else? next one up should be Kirby's Evidence of Harm. Natasa > > Many thanks to those of you who helped my mini-campaign against the > unfair and misleading reviews of " Autism, Brain and Environment " .. I am > pleased to say that the Stanton and Fitzpatrick reviews have been > removed from amazon.co.uk - job done! > > Obviously this was just a small skirmish in a much bigger war, but > worth doing. > > Now, how about giving Fitzpatrick a taste of his own medicine and > posting our own reviews of his MMR book an Amazon: > > -- Mike Stanton ttp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Mike why on earth did you join this group? I know from your NAS Communication article that you are anti-biomed, what would you want with a support group like ours? I am very interested in your response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Mike, Maybe this is the wine speaking (typing) but I'm not seeing where it is that you " support " parents who are on this group?? We're here because we think we can help our kids via medical means. You seem dead against this full stop. Now for the " debate " . I feel that your review was unbalanced. In the simplest terms, this book seeks to determine the underlying causes of autism. I don't really care if the rates of ASd have increased/decreased. What I want to know is why my son lost so many skills and withdrew into his own world. This book puts forward a comprehensive theory to explain why this happens to our kids. It's a theory, and is clearly presented as such. But I've seen much to make me think it's an accurate theory. In it's simplest terms, I've seen how simple anti-microbial interventions have removed my son's stomach cramps and chronic pain for trapped gas. Rigorous tests have suggested he's heavy metal poisoned. And supplementation with nutrients have dramatically increased his social abilities and eye contact. Is this all coincidence or is Lathe right? I don't have sufficient proof to submit this to a medical journal, but it's enough to make me want to push on and try to help him further. And I'll do it carefully, under medical supervision and with reference to the many excellent scientific articles that Lathe quotes in his book. But maybe my belief in science is just leading me astray. Maybe I should just go back and listen to people who tell me to give up. Maybe I should let my son drift back into a world of pain and isolation. Then again, maybe not...... > > When I first joined A-B-E I noticed that one of the purposes is for " support, discussion and debate. " .... my review of Lathe's book was based on a detailed examination of the evidence for New Phase Autism. ....> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I think where you were lucky is that your son was never going to be so severe in the first place, and not because you were saved the expense of biomed. My 11 yr old is HFA he moved up the spectrum with no interventions at all, however his brother now 9yrs old is never going to morph into higher functioning without the interventions that have taken him out of pain and to a point where he is able to learn. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Well  put Vicky! Re: Re: Fitzpatrick book I think where you were lucky is that your son was never going to be so severe in the first place, and not because you were saved the expense of biomed. My 11 yr old is HFA he moved up the spectrum with no interventions at all, however his brother now 9yrs old is never going to morph into higher functioning without the interventions that have taken him out of pain and to a point where he is able to learn. Vicky -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Autism Treatment wrote: > In a message dated 09/09/2006 08:15:18 GMT Daylight Time, > autistischen@... writes: > > In one sense we were lucky because our son was not diagnosed until > he was 12. > >>>> Why did he not get a Dx before age 12? Was it hard to > spot or wern't you able to get a Dx? > > Mandi in Poole > > A bit of both. had a statement from the age of 3 because of language impairment. With hindsight if you take all the different reports together they shout autism. But this was in the 1980s before the criteria were changed. Autism meant Kanners and nothing else. So was " a child of average ability with severe difficulties using and understanding spoken language " when he was three. This changed to " severe emotional and behavioural difficulties with moderate language difficulties " when he was ten. He made rapid progress in language after he had his adenoids removed which got rid of the constant ear infections. He also had a lot of speech therapy and an inspirational specialist language teacher. Then around 10 he was unable to fathom the changing social rules as his peer group approached puberty. His rapidly deteriorating behaviour was actually an autistic response to unexpected change and increasing social demands. When autism was first mentioned I dismissed the idea. I work in a school for severe learning difficulties which has a lot of autistic pupils. Compared to them my son was not autistic. Then I spent 3 days in a TEACCH seminar with Mesibov and finally recognized the truth. My son's psychiatrist did not feel qualified to diagnose and he was eventually dx'd by Judith Gould. Even with a dx secondary school was a disaster. He has done fantastically well since leaving school. -- Mike Stanton Let's make autism a happy place :-) http://mikestanton.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 In a message dated 10/09/2006 20:51:57 GMT Daylight Time, autistischen@... writes: I would go to my GP and ask for my child to be tested. >>You GP does not have access to the appropraite testing fro chronic toxicity on the NHS so he would say there was no problem liek mine did If the results werepositive I would expect to follow the medical advice given. >>The medical advice would be paint your house or whatever, but they can only Dx acuet toxicity so its likely you would be told there was nothign wrong anyways I would alsolook for the source of contamination. >>If the issue is not one of acute exposure but (as already described in sveveal studies) an issue with ability to detoxify everything that gets thrown at everybody every day then looking for sources woudl so little to help the child. If mainstream medcine could deal with this in any sort of effective way would we hoenestly be researeching like crazy hours per day and paying ourselves for the appropriate testing and treatments? I don't think so Mandi in Poole Sam ASD Heavy Metal Toxcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 In a message dated 10/09/2006 21:03:14 GMT Daylight Time, neno@... writes: > We had no way of knowing when was three how he would turn out.If we> had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited hisimprovement to> that when it turned out to be unecessary.IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY.AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED HIS RECOVERY TOCOINCIDENCE!!! >>>and he might have improved so that he wasn;t the subject of so m,uch bullying at school which may have meant he would be med free now and not have to have gone through the trauma he was exposed to. Mandi in Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Fair point but if someone shows for example a very low level of something vital like zinc, and you give them zinc and they improve. And then you test them and discover that now their zinc level is at normal level - you haven't proved the zinc helped but on balance of probability, it has. This happened with my younger son (now 6). He was so behind all his developmental mile stones - still in nappies at 4. We gave him zinc and within 3 weeks he was forging ahead. Now he's intellectually at the same level as his peers. My older son wasn't so lucky but he's still making great strides that tally exactly with biomed. His school also credit the point at which he became teachable as when biomed began to take effect. Sure, that's not proof. But it's only about 10 minutes in historical terms since they proved smoking caused lung cancer and our children don't have time to wait for anyone to fund double blind studies. If your child is in pain from impaction and you give him something for it and he's able to enjoy life, which leads to him being to learn, ok it might not be clearing the impaction that did it but I know that I can't concentrate with something as minor as a head cold. So - it more than makes sense that treating the gut has helped with the autism. Even the NHS acknowledges this now! And so many of our children have this bowel problem - diagnosed with a simple x- ray. It took us 12 months to get this done on the NHS - and then took 30 seconds to diagnose. and one weekend to treat. > > I think where you were lucky is that your son was never going > > to be so severe in the first place, and not because you were saved > > the expense of biomed. My 11 yr old is HFA he moved up the spectrum > > with no interventions at all, however his brother now 9yrs old is > > never going to morph into higher functioning without the > > interventions that have taken him out of pain and to a point where he > > is able to learn. Vicky > > > > We had no way of knowing when was three how he would turn out. If we > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited his improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary. Note that I said we were lucky in > that sense only. Actually we had a horrendous time, none more than my son > who will probably be on medication for the rest of his life as a result of > the psychological effects of systematic bullying and the lack of > understanding and support at school. > > -- > Mike Stanton > Let's make autism a happy place :-) > http://mikestanton.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 > We had no way of knowing when was three how he would turn out. If we > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited his improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary. IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY. AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED HIS RECOVERY TO COINCIDENCE!!! NATASA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 You can't win, if he would have recovered completely, then people question whether he ever had ASD in the first place. Re: Fitzpatrick book > We had no way of knowing when was three how he would turn out.If we> had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited hisimprovement to> that when it turned out to be unecessary.IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY.AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED HIS RECOVERY TOCOINCIDENCE!!!NATASA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Autism Treatment wrote: > In a message dated 10/09/2006 21:03:14 GMT Daylight Time, > neno@... writes: > > > We had no way of knowing when was three how > he would turn out. > If we > > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited his > improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary. > > IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY. > > AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED > HIS RECOVERY TO > COINCIDENCE!!! > > >>>> and he might have improved so that he wasn;t the subject > of so m,uch bullying at school which may have meant he would > be med free now and not have to have gone through the trauma he was > exposed to. I am sure you did not mean it that way but that is so incredibly close to the reaction I got from school that was bullied because of his lack of social understanding. It wasn't the bullies fault. It was his fault for being autistic! I think that if I had to choose between a cure for autism and a cure for bullying I would keep my lovely autistic son just the way he is and cure the bullies instead. -- Mike Stanton Let's make autism a happy place :-) http://mikestanton.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Mike, I can understand you being aggrieved by what we were doing here but i am happy to put my hand up and say i was voting 'No' your review was not useful to me. This is surely a free country where we all have a right to an opinion and this was mine. Shouldn't i by rights be upset that you have decided to take that away from me? I think what you need to understand is that there is a lot of anger and frustration on this list directed at the medical establishment for their continuing ignorance of the health needs of our children and DR Fitzpatrick is the vocal tip of that iceberg, so therefore he has set himself up as a unofficial target for us because of his closed mind. You on the other hand, from what you have written here appear to be more open-minded to looking at all aspects of this perplexing condition called autism, therefore i welcome your opinions and hope that as you learn more about how we are helping out children will realise there is something to this and we are not just desparate mums clutching at straws. Nikki > > When I first joined A-B-E I noticed that one of the purposes is for " support, discussion and debate. " So I was encouraged to read this post, > > " If we want these theories to be accepted, then we have to be able to listen to rigorous questions and offer comprehensive answers that prove the point. Otherwise, you can keep telling people that it's mercury, viral, etc. for ever and the established medical community won't listen. " > > Then I came across this. Not much debate here is there, if instead of replying to critics you try to silence them? The reviews were reinstated after I wrote to Amazon. Incidentally, my review of Lathe's book was based on a detailed examination of the evidence for New Phase Autism. I published this on my blog http://mikestanton.wordpress.com People are welcome to disagree with me and I welcome comments either here or on my blog. > > -- > Mike Stanton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Mike you put at the end of each post " lets make autism a happy place " what a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying " lets make childhood leukemia, diabetes, asthma a happy place " Have you read " Evidence of Harm " ? What about the Homeland security bill ? This stinks to high heaven! Peta- - In Autism Treatment , " Mike stanton " <autistischen@...> wrote: > > Autism Treatment wrote: > > In a message dated 10/09/2006 21:03:14 GMT Daylight Time, > > neno@... writes: > > > > > We had no way of knowing when was three how > > he would turn out. > > If we > > > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited his > > improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary. > > > > IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY. > > > > AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED > > HIS RECOVERY TO > > COINCIDENCE!!! > > > > > >>>> and he might have improved so that he wasn;t the subject > > of so m,uch bullying at school which may have meant he would > > be med free now and not have to have gone through the trauma he was > > exposed to. > > I am sure you did not mean it that way but that is so incredibly close to > the reaction I got from school that was bullied because of his lack > of social understanding. It wasn't the bullies fault. It was his fault for > being autistic! I think that if I had to choose between a cure for autism > and a cure for bullying I would keep my lovely autistic son just the way he > is and cure the bullies instead. > > -- > Mike Stanton > Let's make autism a happy place :-) > http://mikestanton.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hi Peta how are you today just want to say if we can make autism a happy place we would be able to cope while working to help our kids as with any sickness as I find when I start feeling unhappy about my son my strenght of coping goes through the window. Eva peta3366 <peta3366@...> wrote: Mikeyou put at the end of each post " lets make autism a happy place" what a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying "lets make childhood leukemia, diabetes, asthma a happy place" Have you read "Evidence of Harm"? What about the Homeland security bill ? This stinks to high heaven!Peta-- In Autism Treatment , "Mike stanton" wrote:>> Autism Treatment wrote:> > In a message dated 10/09/2006 21:03:14 GMT Daylight Time,> > neno@... writes:> > > > > We had no way of knowing when was three how> > he would turn out.> > If we> > > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited his> > improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary.> > > > IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED COMPLETELY.> > > > AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED> > HIS RECOVERY TO> > COINCIDENCE!!!> > > > > >>>> and he might have improved so that he wasn;t the subject> > of so m,uch bullying at school which may have meant he would> > be med free now and not have to have gone through the trauma he was> > exposed to. > > I am sure you did not mean it that way but that is so incredibly close to> the reaction I got from school that was bullied because of his lack> of social understanding. It wasn't the bullies fault. It was his fault for> being autistic! I think that if I had to choose between a cure for autism> and a cure for bullying I would keep my lovely autistic son just the way he> is and cure the bullies instead. > > -- > Mike Stanton> Let's make autism a happy place :-)> http://mikestanton.wordpress.com>DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Autism Treatment wrote: > Mike, > > I can understand you being aggrieved by what we were doing > here but i am happy to put my hand up and say i was voting > 'No' your review was not useful to me. This is surely a free > country where we all have a right to an opinion and this was > mine. Shouldn't i by rights be upset that you have decided to take > that away from me? I do not mind being voted down. I once stood for parliament for the Socialist Workers Party and got 200 votes. Austin won with 20,000. It was having the review removed that irked me. And if the review is not there nobody can see how many people voted against it. -- Mike Stanton Let's make autism a happy place :-) http://mikestanton.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hi Eva I don't believe there is anything positive about autism. There is alot positive about our children. " make autism a happy place " to me means oh well lets just accept that he's autistic and there's nothing we can do about it.My son is mercury poisoned like thousands of other kids. I get tired of explaining to people that my son is ill knowing that most people think I am a crackpot.If some kids do well without interventions then I'm pleased for them but I wish they would stop spouting off that we are gullible for seeing alternative doctors - it is so insulting when there is so much scientific evidence to support what has really happened to the majority of kids. I remain positive about helping my son but not about but not about the cruel society we live in -especially where I live. Peta - -- In Autism Treatment , Eva <wembleytag@...> wrote: > > Hi Peta > > how are you today just want to say if we can make autism a happy place we would be able to cope while working to help our kids as with any sickness as I find when I start feeling unhappy about my son my strenght of coping goes through the window. > > Eva > > > > > > > > > > > > peta3366 <peta3366@...> wrote: > Mike > you put at the end of each post " lets make autism a happy place " > what a ridiculous thing to say. It's like saying " lets make > childhood leukemia, diabetes, asthma a happy place " > Have you read " Evidence of Harm " ? What about the Homeland security > bill ? This stinks to high heaven! > Peta- > > - In Autism Treatment , " Mike stanton " > wrote: > > > > Autism Treatment wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/09/2006 21:03:14 GMT Daylight Time, > > > neno@ writes: > > > > > > > We had no way of knowing when was three how > > > he would turn out. > > > If we > > > > had done biomed then, most likely we would have credited > his > > > improvement to > that when it turned out to be unecessary. > > > > > > IF YOU HAD DONE BIOMED ON HIM HE MIGHT HAVE RECOVERED > COMPLETELY. > > > > > > AND THEN MOST LIKELY SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CREDITED > > > HIS RECOVERY TO > > > COINCIDENCE!!! > > > > > > > > >>>> and he might have improved so that he wasn;t the subject > > > of so m,uch bullying at school which may have meant he would > > > be med free now and not have to have gone through the trauma he > was > > > exposed to. > > > > I am sure you did not mean it that way but that is so incredibly > close to > > the reaction I got from school that was bullied because of > his lack > > of social understanding. It wasn't the bullies fault. It was his > fault for > > being autistic! I think that if I had to choose between a cure for > autism > > and a cure for bullying I would keep my lovely autistic son just > the way he > > is and cure the bullies instead. > > > > -- > > Mike Stanton > > Let's make autism a happy place :-) > > http://mikestanton.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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