Re: candidiasis--how diagnose and treat; how long to recover?

[Guest guest]

>the flu-like sypmtoms kept coming up, putting me on my back for

>days, sometimes weeks at a time. i thought it was molds cause i had

>lost my home to molds. now the advice i am getting says could be

>candida (as well as molds? with candida heightening sensitivity to

>molds?), and to eat LOTS of protein and the raw and cooked veges,

>but get off ALL FRUIT for 6 months.

The way I see it, there are some strong possibilities:

1. Fructose intolerance (or allergy to some fruits)

2. Gluten intolarance

3. Milk intolerance

4. Candida

5. General bacterial imbalance

If you have 1 or 2, you can get 3 or 4 easily, though some

argue the reverse, that 3 or 4 cause 1 and 2. At any rate,

if you have an " allergy " style intolerance, then TINY

amounts of the offending substance can give you those

flu like symptoms (usually bloating too, and often

skin conditions). Intolerances can be digestive (lacking

the enzyme to digest the food) or allergic -- if it is

digestive, then eating *less* of the food will help. Fructose

intolerance is digestive, but you can have allergies to

various fruits, say, to oranges or plums, and digest fructose

ok.

Anyway, if you don't digest a food completely because

it doesn't get along with you for whatever reason, then

it will feed candida or bacteria BIG TIME. Meat and

vegies are usually safe, which might be why your

current diet is working. But it can be difficult to

figure out what is the culprit ... for me, for instance,

a bit of soy sauce will set off my gluten intolerance

and make me VERY sick (soy sauce is usually made

with wheat!), as will anything with malt in it -- not foods

I think of as " gluten " !

Good probiotics (I'm sure you'll get lots of advice

on those!) also really help, as they address 3 and 4.

BTW I've been doing the infamous Warrior Diet and

for myself (and at least one other person) it seems

to **really help** the digestive process, maybe because

the digestive system can work better after a rest.

I just got the book yesterday, and Ori talks about

the enzymes " recharging " -- that is, your body can

stock up on digestive enzymes while not eating.

Which makes a LOT of sense. Also it would make

sense that yeasts like Candida would tend to die

off when the digestive tract isn't full of food

(especially sugars and starches, which yeasts love).

I suspect that kind of eating would help a lot

of people that " just can't eat anything " .

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Hi Louise,

I can relate to your problems. I suffered from chronic fatigue and

digestive distress for years and tried lots of different

supplements and diets to heal myself. Some things helped, but

nothing got rid of the problems. Let me share my story, and

maybe some of the things that are helping me can help you.

A year and a half ago I started to lose my vision from a rare eye

condition with no known cause, though theysuspect it is related

to CFS. I was put on high doses of steroids which helped one

eye but had no effect on the other. And being on the steroids

destroyed what little health and digestive function I had left (plus

made me look like a freakish moon-faced balloon person). I am

now 7 months off the steroids, have energy, am regular, and

have color in my cheeks for the first time ever. I still have some

lingering side effects from the Prednisone (joint stiffness and

water retention), but those are slowly getting better. Since it can

take years to restore normal hormone function after 9 months of

extreme steroid use, and since I was in poor health before

goingon them, I believe my recovery is do to three things:

1. Muscle response testing: In Massachusetts, where my family

lives, an amazing chiropractor taught me how to muscle test

myself for foods and supplements. It seems crazy, but I can find

out if a particular treatment or food will be beneficial for my

healing without the aid of a doctor. I used this to find natural

hormone supplements to support my lack of hormones due to

the steroids. MRT also led me to the next thing that helped me...

2. Garden of Life supplements: For digestive problems, I think

there is no better supplement system out there. You've got to get

the book, Patient heal thyself by Jordan Rubin. The author was

close to death from Crohn's disease and used the principles in

this book to heal himself when no doctor could. I tried to heal my

digestive problems with diet, but when it is severely

compromised, it is difficult to digest vegetables and proteins and

fats. Garden of Life Products are fermented and contain all the

healthy bacteria, and are partially predigested so they're easy to

digest for people who don't digest well. These are the first

supplements I ever took that didn't upset my stomach and make

me burp. I believe they are responsible for saving my vision.

And I used to MRT to know which products to take, and how

often.

3. Nourishing Traditions book: Patient Heal Thyself led me to

NT. Now I can cook and nourish my husband and my future

children so they won't develop the same problems I have had. I

honestly believe these three things were the answer to my

prayers for healing.

You might also want to look into The Milk Cure. There is info on

it at the Weston Price Foundation web site. I'm allergic to cow's

milk, so I've been doing an adaptation of it with the goat's milk

yoghurt drink in NT. If you want to find a health care practicioner

who does MRT, I think if you google MRT you can get info.

Garden of Life Products are everywhere on the internet and in a

lot of health food stores. Feel free to email me about any of this

info. Good Luck in you search for health.

[Guest guest]

thank you heidi for your response--i will act on as much of what you

said as i can, and it makes sense. thank you!!!!

ple

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>

> >the flu-like sypmtoms kept coming up, putting me on my back for

> >days, sometimes weeks at a time. i thought it was molds cause i

had

> >lost my home to molds. now the advice i am getting says could be

> >candida (as well as molds? with candida heightening sensitivity

to

> >molds?), and to eat LOTS of protein and the raw and cooked veges,

> >but get off ALL FRUIT for 6 months.

>

> The way I see it, there are some strong possibilities:

>

> 1. Fructose intolerance (or allergy to some fruits)

> 2. Gluten intolarance

> 3. Milk intolerance

> 4. Candida

> 5. General bacterial imbalance

>

> If you have 1 or 2, you can get 3 or 4 easily, though some

> argue the reverse, that 3 or 4 cause 1 and 2. At any rate,

> if you have an " allergy " style intolerance, then TINY

> amounts of the offending substance can give you those

> flu like symptoms (usually bloating too, and often

> skin conditions). Intolerances can be digestive (lacking

> the enzyme to digest the food) or allergic -- if it is

> digestive, then eating *less* of the food will help. Fructose

> intolerance is digestive, but you can have allergies to

> various fruits, say, to oranges or plums, and digest fructose

> ok.

>

> Anyway, if you don't digest a food completely because

> it doesn't get along with you for whatever reason, then

> it will feed candida or bacteria BIG TIME. Meat and

> vegies are usually safe, which might be why your

> current diet is working. But it can be difficult to

> figure out what is the culprit ... for me, for instance,

> a bit of soy sauce will set off my gluten intolerance

> and make me VERY sick (soy sauce is usually made

> with wheat!), as will anything with malt in it -- not foods

> I think of as " gluten " !

>

> Good probiotics (I'm sure you'll get lots of advice

> on those!) also really help, as they address 3 and 4.

>

> BTW I've been doing the infamous Warrior Diet and

> for myself (and at least one other person) it seems

> to **really help** the digestive process, maybe because

> the digestive system can work better after a rest.

> I just got the book yesterday, and Ori talks about

> the enzymes " recharging " -- that is, your body can

> stock up on digestive enzymes while not eating.

> Which makes a LOT of sense. Also it would make

> sense that yeasts like Candida would tend to die

> off when the digestive tract isn't full of food

> (especially sugars and starches, which yeasts love).

> I suspect that kind of eating would help a lot

> of people that " just can't eat anything " .

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

thank you kristen for your response!! how encouraging! i will act on

as much of what you have said as i can. God bless you!!!

ple

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> Hi Louise,

>

> I can relate to your problems. I suffered from chronic fatigue

and

> digestive distress for years and tried lots of different

> supplements and diets to heal myself. Some things helped, but

> nothing got rid of the problems. Let me share my story, and

> maybe some of the things that are helping me can help you.

>

> A year and a half ago I started to lose my vision from a rare eye

> condition with no known cause, though theysuspect it is related

> to CFS. I was put on high doses of steroids which helped one

> eye but had no effect on the other. And being on the steroids

> destroyed what little health and digestive function I had left

(plus

> made me look like a freakish moon-faced balloon person). I am

> now 7 months off the steroids, have energy, am regular, and

> have color in my cheeks for the first time ever. I still have

some

> lingering side effects from the Prednisone (joint stiffness and

> water retention), but those are slowly getting better. Since it

can

> take years to restore normal hormone function after 9 months of

> extreme steroid use, and since I was in poor health before

> goingon them, I believe my recovery is do to three things:

>

> 1. Muscle response testing: In Massachusetts, where my family

> lives, an amazing chiropractor taught me how to muscle test

> myself for foods and supplements. It seems crazy, but I can find

> out if a particular treatment or food will be beneficial for my

> healing without the aid of a doctor. I used this to find natural

> hormone supplements to support my lack of hormones due to

> the steroids. MRT also led me to the next thing that helped me...

> 2. Garden of Life supplements: For digestive problems, I think

> there is no better supplement system out there. You've got to get

> the book, Patient heal thyself by Jordan Rubin. The author was

> close to death from Crohn's disease and used the principles in

> this book to heal himself when no doctor could. I tried to heal

my

> digestive problems with diet, but when it is severely

> compromised, it is difficult to digest vegetables and proteins and

> fats. Garden of Life Products are fermented and contain all the

> healthy bacteria, and are partially predigested so they're easy to

> digest for people who don't digest well. These are the first

> supplements I ever took that didn't upset my stomach and make

> me burp. I believe they are responsible for saving my vision.

> And I used to MRT to know which products to take, and how

> often.

> 3. Nourishing Traditions book: Patient Heal Thyself led me to

> NT. Now I can cook and nourish my husband and my future

> children so they won't develop the same problems I have had. I

> honestly believe these three things were the answer to my

> prayers for healing.

>

> You might also want to look into The Milk Cure. There is info on

> it at the Weston Price Foundation web site. I'm allergic to cow's

> milk, so I've been doing an adaptation of it with the goat's milk

> yoghurt drink in NT. If you want to find a health care

practicioner

> who does MRT, I think if you google MRT you can get info.

> Garden of Life Products are everywhere on the internet and in a

> lot of health food stores. Feel free to email me about any of

this

> info. Good Luck in you search for health.

[Guest guest]

Dear Louise, I had candida severely in 1985 and was finally cured in

two and half years. At the time I realized what I had I too thought

I had the world's worst digestive problem. It was so severe that any

foods I was allergic to wouldn't stay down no matter what I did. At

the worse time I could only eat 9 foods in the whole world which

consisted of very low carb veggies and meats.

Later, when I was getting well I started a " Candida Support Group " in

Edmonton, Alberta that I ran for about 3 years. I also had a hot

line at home for people to call for support on doing the candida

program. Others have given you some good advice, and here's the main

things to do:

1. Cut out all forms of sugar, even fruits, and all grains - all of

them feed the yeast.

2. Eat the WAP diet, i.e. grass-fed meats, raw milk, cheese, yogurt,

butter, eggs, fermented foods and products to help digestion. Always

have lots of good fats with veggies to help break them down and also

to absorb the nutrients.

3. Cut out all forms of caffeine.

4. Get plenty of good fats, i.e. butter and meat fats, but especially

coconut oil (I take 6 tablespoons a day, two by mouth before each

meal).

5. To help kill off the yeast take caprylic acid (available at the

health food store). I took nystatin but that requires a Doctor's

perscription.

6. Make cabbage rejuvelac and drink 1/2 cup per day to put back the

flora and fauna in the digestive tract. Or kefir and other similar

drinks are great too.

7. Take supplements to support your immune system while you are

changing your diet, i.e. calcium magnesium (at least a 2 to 1 ratio

or a 1:1 ratio, most of us need more magnesium), B Complex, Vitamin

C, Extra Virgin Olive Oil for the Vitamin E and a good cod liver oil

in the winter if you don't have the sun in your area.

8. Be patient. Natural healing takes time and it may seems like you

are getting worse. Per " Herring's Law " it takes one month of healing

to every year you've been ill. Do a google search for Herring's Law

and find out more.

Keep us posted on how you are doing, and the best to you.

Bee

> i had had what i thought was the world's worst digestive prob. got

> better, at least in the SHORT term, by limiting my proteins (bad

> advice?) and eating 80% raw fruits and veges (not together of

> course), and 20% cooked veges, seeds, nuts, clean meats and raw

> dairy.

>

> the flu-like sypmtoms kept coming up, putting me on my back for

> days, sometimes weeks at a time. i thought it was molds cause i had

> lost my home to molds. now the advice i am getting says could be

> candida (as well as molds? with candida heightening sensitivity to

> molds?), and to eat LOTS of protein and the raw and cooked veges,

> but get off ALL FRUIT for 6 months.

>

> (since i have been feeling like i am starving to death--and

probably

> have been close to it--for the lack of enough protein, i have

> already begun the changes.)[had been on the other diet for 2 or

more

> years.][so now i'm on the " new way " for 3 days. yea! :-) ]

>

> was told that eating the fruits could be feeding the candida, and

> causing my body to not properly digest larger amounts of proteins.

>

> questions:

> * how to tell conclusively if it is candida?

> * what other ways to get rid of candida?

> * do i have to wait 6 months to get well? there HAS to be a BETTER

> way!!!!! ?????

> * if i am not to eat suger (of course not refined), as in fresh

> fruits, what about the sugar in raw carrots? raw beets?

> * or the sugar in cooked sweet potatoes?

> * or the sugar in any cooked veges?

> * or the sugar in raw milk and raw yogurt?

> * what are fermented foods specifically? ( i know about vinegar and

> wine.) what about raw cheese made with celtic salt?

>

> i was getting loads of antioxidants with all the raw fruit i was

> eating (and have quit for 6 months if needed). my body is obviously

> craving the protein. how do i get the antioxidants i need, more raw

> veges? [of course i can take more vitamin c, but if i have to

> resort to goldenseal too isn't that a bit much? shouldn't diet do

> it? goldenseal is part of diet? egads.](i am eating a LOT more

> protein.) perhaps the nutritionist was correct in that getting off

> the fruit would help my digestion. still fighting some flu-like

> symptoms & exhaustion, but with all the protein i have ingested in

> the last 3 days normally i'd be smelling like a skunk. and now i am

> not. this is a good change. (when do i get my energy back?)(when

> does the brain fog go away? i feel like an idiot and normally i am

> not. :-)

>

> am looking into licorice, enzyme and hcl supplments. possibly some

> more testing. some bad symptoms won't mention now. (leaky gut?

could

> be, really.)

>

> help.

>

> (do i need grains? if do, of course whole. used to sprout 'em. that

> necessary? how else prepare? how much eat? can mix with proteins?)

>

> (have had SO MUCH, AS YOU CAN SEE, CONFLICTING ADVICE. guess my

body

> is going to tell me.)

>

> thank God for this group--thank you all!!!

>

> peace and love,

> p louise e

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