Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Sorry my reply is so late but I just got to the digest with this in it. No he wasn't drinking milk before he started the kefir, just added the kefir to his daily food. I drink a lot of kefir - about 3 gal/ week. While I would like to lose weight and haven't, I also haven't been gaining. I make about 1/2 into a smoothie in which I add coconut oil or I make the kefir/cream cheese cakes with CO. But my point is, that if I was drinking that much plain milk I believe I would have really gained weight. And the tartness of the kefir seems to keep me from craving other junk food too. BTW, my kefir is from raw milk. Carol Message: 8 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:02:33 EDT From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Subject: Re: lactose and insulin --- for Ann In a message dated 8/25/03 11:29:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, knappschiles@... writes: >> My stepfather (79 yrs) is type II insulin dependent. He has been taking 25 >> units in the evening. I got him started on kefir about 2 weeks ago. To him it >> is like the real buttermilk he used to get as a kid. He drinks a big glass >> before bed. It has helped his sleep and he has had to cut his insulin to 20 >> units because his morning test was too low - 60, and he was feeling >> light-headed. It seems the kefir has helped him. > > Carol, Interesting. So would this indicate that kefir has less carbs than milk? Was he drinking a glass of milk before bed before the kefir, and is that what you're comparing it too? Maybe lactic acid's potential to act as a carb depends on the individual and how much their liver feel's up to making some glucose? Chris [Non-text portions of this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Hi Carol, Can you tell me where did you get the recipe for kefir/cream cheese cake with CO ? Can you also write it down if it is not from NT? With gratitude Margaret Re: lactose and insulin --- for Ann In a message dated 8/25/03 11:29:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, knappschiles@... writes: >> My stepfather (79 yrs) is type II insulin dependent. He has been taking 25 >> units in the evening. I got him started on kefir about 2 weeks ago. To him it >> is like the real buttermilk he used to get as a kid. He drinks a big glass >> before bed. It has helped his sleep and he has had to cut his insulin to 20 >> units because his morning test was too low - 60, and he was feeling >> light-headed. It seems the kefir has helped him. > > Carol, Interesting. So would this indicate that kefir has less carbs than milk? Was he drinking a glass of milk before bed before the kefir, and is that what you're comparing it too? Maybe lactic acid's potential to act as a carb depends on the individual and how much their liver feel's up to making some glucose? Chris [Non-text portions of this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 > Interesting. So would this indicate that kefir has less carbs than milk? The kefir apparently helped him be more insulin-sensitive. The 25 units of insulin must be his long-acting insulin, right Carol? So it isn't a case of how many carbs are in kefir, it's a case of how much insulin he needs as a background to keep his blood sugar in control -- and with the kefir, apparently his body used the insulin more efficiently. This is why it isn't easy to figure out just from how much insulin a person needs how many carbs are in food -- insulin requirements are affected by exercise, weather, mood, illness, ad nauseum...it's hard or impossible to single out one thing. And it depends on whether we're talking about the long acting background insulin, or the rapid acting mealtime insulin. Plus everyone's different. Carol's father had good results with kefir, but I can't drink it in the evening -- it makes my blood sugar high all night. Same with milk. If I have a bedtime snack of buttered toast, however, my blood sugar is beautiful the next morning! Go figure. Ann > Sorry my reply is so late but I just got to the digest with this in it. > > No he wasn't drinking milk before he started the kefir, just added the kefir to his daily food. > > I drink a lot of kefir - about 3 gal/ week. While I would like to lose weight and haven't, I also haven't been gaining. I make about 1/2 into a smoothie in which I add coconut oil or I make the kefir/cream cheese cakes with CO. But my point is, that if I was drinking that much plain milk I believe I would have really gained weight. And the tartness of the kefir seems to keep me from craving other junk food too. BTW, my kefir is from raw milk. > Carol > > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:02:33 EDT > From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > Subject: Re: lactose and insulin --- for Ann > > In a message dated 8/25/03 11:29:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > knappschiles@c... writes: > > > >> My stepfather (79 yrs) is type II insulin dependent. He has been taking 25 > >> units in the evening. I got him started on kefir about 2 weeks ago. To him it > >> is like the real buttermilk he used to get as a kid. He drinks a big glass > >> before bed. It has helped his sleep and he has had to cut his insulin to 20 > >> units because his morning test was too low - 60, and he was feeling > >> light-headed. It seems the kefir has helped him. > > > > > > Carol, > > Interesting. So would this indicate that kefir has less carbs than milk? > Was he drinking a glass of milk before bed before the kefir, and is that what > you're comparing it too? > > Maybe lactic acid's potential to act as a carb depends on the individual and > how much their liver feel's up to making some glucose? > > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this mess > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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