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In a message dated 9/4/03 12:39:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ----->i'm neither michael nor a fasting guru, but that doesn't stop me from

> chiming in anyway ;-)

> the component of kombucha that is good for liver cleansing is glucoronic

> acid. however some analyses of kombucha that i've seen showed there was a

> miniscule amount of glucoronic acid or none. i think the amount of

> glucoronic acid in any given batch of kombucha might depend on any number of

> variables including the colony's origins, fermenting time, ingredients used,

> etc.

Is commercial kombucha filtered? When we discussed this last, someone posted

a very long post which contained info that the glucoronic acid is primarily

present in the scoby colonies, and not in the liquid. But my kombucha liquid

is full of these hangy-tentacle looking things, which I assume contain bacteria

yeasts, etc, along with other components.

Chris

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>>>>Got a question for , the fasting guru (and any of you other

gurus that aren't shy about chiming in)...If a person is fasting primarily

to cleanse the liver, would a kombucha only fast be a good idea? I

get cravings for large quantities of kombucha and drink 2-3 12-oz

bottles per day.

----->i'm neither michael nor a fasting guru, but that doesn't stop me from

chiming in anyway ;-)

the component of kombucha that is good for liver cleansing is glucoronic

acid. however some analyses of kombucha that i've seen showed there was a

miniscule amount of glucoronic acid or none. i think the amount of

glucoronic acid in any given batch of kombucha might depend on any number of

variables including the colony's origins, fermenting time, ingredients used,

etc.

there may be other components of kombucha that assist in liver detox that

i'm not aware of, but glucoronic acid (which our livers also produce) is the

one that is most often cited.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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No glucuronic acid?? Whoa, I was under the impression that kombucha

was just chock-full of GA. Well, how disappointing.

> >>>>Got a question for , the fasting guru (and any of you

other

> gurus that aren't shy about chiming in)...If a person is fasting

primarily

> to cleanse the liver, would a kombucha only fast be a good idea? I

> get cravings for large quantities of kombucha and drink 2-3 12-oz

> bottles per day.

>

> ----->i'm neither michael nor a fasting guru, but that doesn't stop

me from

> chiming in anyway ;-)

> the component of kombucha that is good for liver cleansing is

glucoronic

> acid. however some analyses of kombucha that i've seen showed there

was a

> miniscule amount of glucoronic acid or none. i think the amount of

> glucoronic acid in any given batch of kombucha might depend on any

number of

> variables including the colony's origins, fermenting time,

ingredients used,

> etc.

>

>

> there may be other components of kombucha that assist in liver

detox that

> i'm not aware of, but glucoronic acid (which our livers also

produce) is the

> one that is most often cited.

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -

-

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

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Betsy,

Don't know if this is an answer or not. I don't know anything about

kombucha although I would like to try it if anyone has some available!

Anyway, About a month ago I went to see my dr.(naturopath) and we decided

my liver is not working right also. I have chronic hives constantly,

shoulder pain, generally bad skin, acne, and am tired allot. So I started

making liver and endocrine tea in Rosemary's book (herbal healing for women)

I also started taking hot ginger baths every few nights to help detox and

also have done 2 gallbladder flushes in the past month (hope to do another

next week) So far I have got down to about 2-3 days a week feeling bad and

the other days I can function just fine. Before I started this I was to the

point that something had to be done or I would go insane! Hives where so

bad I could not walk much without pain ect.... Also I have added allot more

fats to my diet and cut back on the carbs...... This helped steady my Blood

sugar but don't know how it is affecting my liver as of yet. The hot

ginger baths are the best and I feel great the next day! Anyway, Hope this

helps you out! I have gotten to the point where I can't even handle

chlorinated water, chemicals,perfume.........

kombucha fast

Got a question for , the fasting guru (and any of you other

gurus that aren't shy about chiming in). I'm thinking that maybe my

liver is not functioning as well as it could be most likely due to 27

years on a total junk food diet and no qualms about exposing myself

to environmental toxins. I assume a fast is probably the best way

to detoxify it. I've read Bruce Fife's detox book and I got to

thinking about single-food fasts. If a person is fasting primarily

to cleanse the liver, would a kombucha only fast be a good idea? I

get cravings for large quantities of kombucha and drink 2-3 12-oz

bottles per day.

Betsy

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Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...:

> Is commercial kombucha filtered? When we discussed this last, someone

> posted a very long post which contained info that the glucoronic acid

> is primarily present in the scoby colonies, and not in the liquid.

Speaking of which, are those edible? I took a bite out of a spare one once,

and it was pretty good, if a bit chewy, but is this something one

can/should do on a regular basis?

--

Berg

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> Speaking of which, are those edible? I took a bite out of a spare

one once,

> and it was pretty good, if a bit chewy, but is this something one

> can/should do on a regular basis?

hmmm….I filter mine, and I always get a scoby, which I always just

drink. I, too, kind of wondered if the extra babies could/should be

eaten.

Related story, but absolutely non-informational: My relatives are

really weird about NT-style foods. They are leery of traditional

foods that I think are very appealing such as really good olive oil,

sourdough bread, and raw cheeses, but they are intrigued with the

weird items, like lacto-fermentation. In fact, lacto-fermenting

anything will keep them entertained for hours. They have lacto-

fermented among other things, bologna, beer, bugs they found outside,

dog food kibbles (dog loved them, btw), a kombucha scoby, chewing

gum, and pepto bismol (which the dog didn't like). Anyway, during a

meal, my uncle passed on the sea salt and asked for the " regular

stuff. " This same guy wanted to know if a kombucha scoby could be

eaten. He had just turned down a sample of liquid kombucha, but the

freaky-looking pancake seemed like something he was interested in

eating. He sliced a 1 " strip off the side, rolled it up, and chewed

on it for about five minutes before giving up and spitting it out.

The rest of the kombucha scoby was then lacto-fermented.

Betsy

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Kombucha scobies are edible, yes. There are reports that they are eaten by

people and that this is supposedly good for you, like a stronger kombucha

since you are eating the very " home " of the bacteria and yeast ... similar

to when eating milk kefir grains.

Original message was:

Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...:

> Is commercial kombucha filtered?  When we discussed this last, someone

> posted a very long post which contained info that the glucoronic acid

> is primarily present in the scoby colonies, and not in the liquid.

Speaking of which, are those edible? I took a bite out of a spare one once,

and it was pretty good, if a bit chewy, but is this something one

can/should do on a regular basis?

--

Berg

bberg@...

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Betsy, thanks for the highly entertaining story about your

relatives! My husband is extremely suspicious of any NT foods,

even my cooking with lard, which is the traditional fat for Mexican

cooking (he's a Mexican citizen). Which is wierd, because he

eats all sorts of sugary, fattening things with hydrogenated oils,

yet lard-- THAT'S unhealthy! I think it's because he's highly

impressionable, and lard has such a bad connotation in our

culture. I'm gradually sneaking healthy things into his food

supply and one day I believe I'll convert him (if I don't push too

hard). BTW, did your (uncle?) ferment the scoby after he chewed

it? yum.

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>>>>> They have lacto-fermented among other things, bologna,

----->HUNH???? LOL! LOL! LOL!

beer, bugs they found outside,

dog food kibbles (dog loved them, btw), a kombucha scoby, chewing

gum, and pepto bismol (which the dog didn't like).

----------->ROFLMAO!!!

thanks for the good laugh :-)

>>The rest of the kombucha scoby was then lacto-fermented.

----->boy, i would love to spend a day with your relatives! they sound like

so much fun :-) how did the scoby ferment, btw? did it tenderize it?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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> ----->boy, i would love to spend a day with your relatives! they

sound like

> so much fun :-) how did the scoby ferment, btw? did it tenderize it?

Well, the scoby fermentation took place at one of my relative's house

and I left at the end of the day, so I didn't get to see the final

product. It must not have been too impressive because they haven't

asked for another one.

This all got started when they asked me to bring over some kombucha.

I have another uncle that lives in England who was visiting and

everyone had gone over to my uncle's house in Pelsor, Arkansas. (For

those who don't know their Arkansas geography and socioeconomic,

Pelsor is just south of where all those government haters that like

to blow up federal building live in the mountains. I guess these are

the Militant Libertarians.)

While they were sampling the kombucha and scoby, I was telling them

about lacto-fermentation. I made the mistake of telling them you

could lacto-ferment anything. " Anything?? " they asked. " Why yes –

cucumbers, cabbage, peppers, garlic, onions, or even vegetable

juices. " Immediately after saying this I wandered into the kitchen

where a group of delighted people had started combing the kitchen for

things to ferment to test my theory.

I told them that ferments would become alcoholic if they left them

out too long. They wanted to try fermenting beer to see if they

could boost the alcohol content. A fight nearly broke out over this

because one camp did not want to waste beer for any reason. They

eventually conceded and allowed on beer, as long as it was a light

beer, to be fermented for the advancement of science. They couldn't

tell if the beer had more alcohol, but they didn't like the salty

taste. They concluded that it was easier just to drink more beer

than to ferment a super-beer. (Oh, and in case anyone was wondering,

none of my relatives have married their own cousin. I know because I

asked several years ago after wondering myself.)

I don't know if the scoby became tender. They mainly fermented for

the entertainment value. They thought it would be hilarious to

ferment the scoby, which normally ferments other things. Fermenting

the fermenter – to them, the irony was sidesplitting. I will admit,

fermenting the chewing gum was my idea. They said it smelled bad.

The bugs were squishy and gross. Didn't hear about the bologna.

This has given me an idea. I was thinking that one could slice up a

scoby and ferment it with cabbage. Instead of tasting like

sauerkraut, it would have a tart, cider-like flavor, kind of like

coleslaw. I've got a family reunion coming up at the end of

September. I think that would be just the place to debut Scoby

Slaw! I'll let everyone know how it turns out.

Betsy

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:42:23 -0000

" Betsy " <bettysmith997@...> wrote:

> Got a question for , the fasting guru (and any of you other

> gurus that aren't shy about chiming in). I'm thinking that maybe my

> liver is not functioning as well as it could be most likely due to 27

> years on a total junk food diet

Yep, that might do it

and no qualms about exposing myself

> to environmental toxins. I assume a fast is probably the best way

> to detoxify it.

Fasting is an excellent way but if you have never fasted before I would

ease into it.

I've read Bruce Fife's detox book and I got to

> thinking about single-food fasts. If a person is fasting primarily

> to cleanse the liver, would a kombucha only fast be a good idea? I

> get cravings for large quantities of kombucha and drink 2-3 12-oz

> bottles per day.

>

Well you can pretty much fast on anything although I don't know much

about kombucha. I prefer my fermented drinks with, shall we say, a

little more punch ;-) so they wouldn't work as fasting items. I

wouldn't consider kombucha a *food* fast say like a fruit fast. I would

look at as a liquid fast.

I like to use herbs which are specific for the liver when fasting, no

matter the liquid. I also like to do liver cleanses.

I can privately email you an article on fasting that should at least

offer some help. Let me know.

Science, Opiate of the Masses?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed9.html

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>>>>I told them that ferments would become alcoholic if they left them

out too long. They wanted to try fermenting beer to see if they

could boost the alcohol content. A fight nearly broke out over this

because one camp did not want to waste beer for any reason. They

eventually conceded and allowed on beer, as long as it was a light

beer, to be fermented for the advancement of science. They couldn't

tell if the beer had more alcohol, but they didn't like the salty

taste. They concluded that it was easier just to drink more beer

than to ferment a super-beer. (Oh, and in case anyone was wondering,

none of my relatives have married their own cousin. I know because I

asked several years ago after wondering myself.)

------>ROFLMAO! this is so hilarious! and you relate it so well, have you

considered writing humor professionally?

>>>>They thought it would be hilarious to

ferment the scoby, which normally ferments other things. Fermenting

the fermenter – to them, the irony was sidesplitting.

------->it is sidesplitting reading about how sidesplitting it is to them.

LOL! i'm laughing so hard i'm in tears. LOL!

>>>I will admit, fermenting the chewing gum was my idea.

---->ha! so you are not just the sane passive observer then. ;-)

>>>They said it smelled bad.

The bugs were squishy and gross. Didn't hear about the bologna.

----->what bugs did they ferment? mike parker might be interested in this

;-)

>>>>This has given me an idea. I was thinking that one could slice up a

scoby and ferment it with cabbage. Instead of tasting like

sauerkraut, it would have a tart, cider-like flavor, kind of like

coleslaw. I've got a family reunion coming up at the end of

September. I think that would be just the place to debut Scoby

Slaw! I'll let everyone know how it turns out.

---->well great! the scoby is mostly cellulose, i think, so probably

wouldn't ferment well i'd guess. maybe more so if you juiced it first, or

put it through a grinder. even then i'm not sure.

in case your relatives get inspired again here are a few suggestions of

things they can try to ferment: (consider it a letterman's top 10 list of

fun things to ferment ;-)

1. shoes

2. blood

3. cheetos

4. dog poo

5. pepto bismol

6. oreos

7. toothpaste

8. a stone

9. pepsi

10. a kefir grain(?)

that should keep them busy!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>1. shoes

>2. blood

>3. cheetos

>4. dog poo

>5. pepto bismol

>6. oreos

>7. toothpaste

>8. a stone

>9. pepsi

>10. a kefir grain(?)

>

>that should keep them busy!

Hmmm ... items 1, 3, 6 and 9 would make decent alcohol. #4 grows great worms,

which can then be dried and made into flour, or fermented. But ferment a kefir

grain? That is like civilizing a Borg or sending a Viking to modelling school

.... kefir grains DO the fermenting and will happily attack any of the above

(except the stone and maybe the toothpaste).

Really, you should send these folks to visit Sandor Katz, another person who

knows no fear! I find them refreshing (esp. being paranoid myself: I'm trying to

talk myself into fermenting some green tomatoes in oil. Now GARLIC fermented in

oil is known to make botulism. How come tomatoes don't? )

-- Heidi

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> >1. shoes

> >2. blood

> >3. cheetos

> >4. dog poo

> >5. pepto bismol

> >6. oreos

> >7. toothpaste

> >8. a stone

> >9. pepsi

> >10. a kefir grain(?)

> >

> >that should keep them busy!

>

> Hmmm ... items 1, 3, 6 and 9 would make decent alcohol. #4 grows great

worms, which can then be dried and made into flour, or fermented. But

ferment a kefir grain? That is like civilizing a Borg or sending a Viking to

modelling school ... kefir grains DO the fermenting and will happily attack

any of the above (except the stone and maybe the toothpaste).

----------------->*exactly*! i thought betsy's relatives would appreciate

the side splitting irony of " fermenting the fermentor " as they did with the

kombucha scoby. LOL!

suze

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Hey, this sounds like the great beginnings of an NT sitcom. I might actually

turn on my Tv to watch that (depending on the commercials).

Amy

RE: Re: kombucha fast

>>>>I told them that ferments would become alcoholic if they left them

out too long. They wanted to try fermenting beer to see if they

could boost the alcohol content. A fight nearly broke out over this

because one camp did not want to waste beer for any reason. They

eventually conceded and allowed on beer, as long as it was a light

beer, to be fermented for the advancement of science. They couldn't

tell if the beer had more alcohol, but they didn't like the salty

taste. They concluded that it was easier just to drink more beer

than to ferment a super-beer. (Oh, and in case anyone was wondering,

none of my relatives have married their own cousin. I know because I

asked several years ago after wondering myself.)

------>ROFLMAO! this is so hilarious! and you relate it so well, have you

considered writing humor professionally?

>>>>They thought it would be hilarious to

ferment the scoby, which normally ferments other things. Fermenting

the fermenter - to them, the irony was sidesplitting.

------->it is sidesplitting reading about how sidesplitting it is to them.

LOL! i'm laughing so hard i'm in tears. LOL!

>>>I will admit, fermenting the chewing gum was my idea.

---->ha! so you are not just the sane passive observer then. ;-)

>>>They said it smelled bad.

The bugs were squishy and gross. Didn't hear about the bologna.

----->what bugs did they ferment? mike parker might be interested in this

;-)

>>>>This has given me an idea. I was thinking that one could slice up a

scoby and ferment it with cabbage. Instead of tasting like

sauerkraut, it would have a tart, cider-like flavor, kind of like

coleslaw. I've got a family reunion coming up at the end of

September. I think that would be just the place to debut Scoby

Slaw! I'll let everyone know how it turns out.

---->well great! the scoby is mostly cellulose, i think, so probably

wouldn't ferment well i'd guess. maybe more so if you juiced it first, or

put it through a grinder. even then i'm not sure.

in case your relatives get inspired again here are a few suggestions of

things they can try to ferment: (consider it a letterman's top 10 list of

fun things to ferment ;-)

1. shoes

2. blood

3. cheetos

4. dog poo

5. pepto bismol

6. oreos

7. toothpaste

8. a stone

9. pepsi

10. a kefir grain(?)

that should keep them busy!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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In a message dated 9/8/03 1:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bettysmith997@... writes:

> I would love a that article! bettysmith997@...

>

> I'm thinking of easing into fasting by starting the warrior diet, and

> then just doing some 1-2 day fasts. In the next few months. If the

> explanition isn't too long, what's the difference between a fast and

> a liver cleanse?

,

Why don't you just post it to the list? It would be much more relevant than

half the stuff we've posted over the last week!

Chris

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> I like to use herbs which are specific for the liver when fasting,

no

> matter the liquid. I also like to do liver cleanses.

>

> I can privately email you an article on fasting that should at least

> offer some help. Let me know.

>

>

>

> Science, Opiate of the Masses?

> http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed9.html

I would love a that article! bettysmith997@...

I'm thinking of easing into fasting by starting the warrior diet, and

then just doing some 1-2 day fasts. In the next few months. If the

explanition isn't too long, what's the difference between a fast and

a liver cleanse?

Thanks,

Betsy

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:57:16 EDT

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/8/03 1:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bettysmith997@... writes:

>

> > I would love a that article! bettysmith997@...

> >

> > I'm thinking of easing into fasting by starting the warrior diet, and

> > then just doing some 1-2 day fasts. In the next few months. If the

> > explanition isn't too long, what's the difference between a fast and

> > a liver cleanse?

>

> ,

>

> Why don't you just post it to the list? It would be much more relevant than

> half the stuff we've posted over the last week!

>

> Chris

>

Good idea. I'm actually working on something to upload to the file

section of the site.

Science, Opiate of the Masses?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed9.html

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It is Spring here in OZ - the most appropriate time to cleanse the liver

according to traditional chinese medicine. I'm thinking of doing one. Have

never done a liver cleanse because I have always been pregnant or breast

feeding since discovering purgative health ways. I am breast feeding now an

18 mth old (more for comfort). How much toxicity is mobilised, should I stop

feeding for any part of the cycle? I shouldn't be too toxic as have been

eating organic for 9 years (I'm 30) but I did grow up in a mining town and

have mercury fillings. Also could you send me the article you are sending

Betsy please?

Joanne

Re: kombucha fast

>

> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:42:23 -0000

> " Betsy " <bettysmith997@...> wrote:

>

> > Got a question for , the fasting guru (and any of you other

> > gurus that aren't shy about chiming in). I'm thinking that maybe my

> > liver is not functioning as well as it could be most likely due to 27

> > years on a total junk food diet

>

> Yep, that might do it

>

>

>

> and no qualms about exposing myself

> > to environmental toxins. I assume a fast is probably the best way

> > to detoxify it.

>

> Fasting is an excellent way but if you have never fasted before I would

> ease into it.

>

>

>

> I've read Bruce Fife's detox book and I got to

> > thinking about single-food fasts. If a person is fasting primarily

> > to cleanse the liver, would a kombucha only fast be a good idea? I

> > get cravings for large quantities of kombucha and drink 2-3 12-oz

> > bottles per day.

> >

>

> Well you can pretty much fast on anything although I don't know much

> about kombucha. I prefer my fermented drinks with, shall we say, a

> little more punch ;-) so they wouldn't work as fasting items. I

> wouldn't consider kombucha a *food* fast say like a fruit fast. I would

> look at as a liquid fast.

>

> I like to use herbs which are specific for the liver when fasting, no

> matter the liquid. I also like to do liver cleanses.

>

> I can privately email you an article on fasting that should at least

> offer some help. Let me know.

>

>

>

> Science, Opiate of the Masses?

> http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed9.html

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>It is Spring here in OZ - the most appropriate time to cleanse the liver

>according to traditional chinese medicine. I'm thinking of doing one. Have

>never done a liver cleanse because I have always been pregnant or breast

>feeding since discovering purgative health ways. I am breast feeding now an

>18 mth old (more for comfort). How much toxicity is mobilised, should I stop

>feeding for any part of the cycle?

Hi Joanne,

A liver flush per se shouldn't be a problem assuming you are doing a

gentle one that is all real food which is what I recommend.

But if you are fasting and flushing at the same time I think that would

be different. You would need to be sure you are properly eliminating

toxins. Since you are breast feeding I doubt you are doing both together

so I don't think toxicity will be an issue.

I shouldn't be too toxic as have been

>eating organic for 9 years (I'm 30) but I did grow up in a mining town and

>have mercury fillings. Also could you send me the article you are sending

>Betsy please?

I would be happy too.

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