Re: noddy-sleepy

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>now, since eating better, drinking kefir, soaking my oatmeal, rice, etc. i find

that i am more sleepy and nodding off even 3 hours upon arising. i go to bed

around 9 to 10 p.m.,

Kefir and starches are both VERY sleep inducing, at least for some folks. Kefir

is full of tryptophan, which makes babies sleep. Carbs raise serotonin levels,

esp. starchy carbs, which make you sleepy. Eating vegies and meats when you are

needing to be active and starchy carbs and milk products when you want to want

to sleep is the classic " traveller's advice " for getting thru time zone changes

and it seems to work. I don't know where fruits fit in, but they don't seem to

make me sleepy. Turkey is high tryptophan too, I think, so maybe it shouldn't be

in the daytime category.

I'm not sure about athletes ... some of them pack away a lot of starches without

falling asleep.

-- Heidi

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Janice, this is good information about hypothyroid, but surely

there are other possible causes of fatigue?

I've always been tired a lot, but I tend to be thin and warm, so that

rules out hypothyroid as far as I can tell. If anything I'd say my

thyroid is overactive.

On the other hand, people tend to make diagnoses like candida,

or chronic fatigue, or depression, which I believe are NOT root

causes, but are merely descriptions of the problem.

I suspect food sensitivities (like gluten intolerance), and nutrient

deficiencies, cause fatigue in many cases, without thyroid

problems.

And in other threads people are exploring blood sugar problems

and horomonal imbalances (besides thyroid) which may be

causes.

Just some thoughts...

Daphne

> ,

> Even though I believe food sensitivity may be part of the

problem

> there is also another element. " Easily fatigued, sleepy during

the

> day " are both signs of low thyroid function. " The thyroid gland

> produces thyroid hormone, which acts as an accelerator to the

body's

> metabolism. Some of the common signs and symptoms of

hypothyroidism

> include constipation, weight gain with diminished food intake,

cold

> intolerance, poor circulation, fluid retention, ringing in the

ears,

> poor memory, fatigue, dry skin and hair, hair loss, broken nails

and

> slow thinking. "

[Guest guest]

Daphne

> Janice, this is good information about hypothyroid, but surely

> there are other possible causes of fatigue?

>

**If you noticed I did say these are also signs of low adrenal

function. Chronic fatigue and getting drowsy often indicates an

adrenal issue. And I started out by saying food sensitivities were

probably part of the problem. And if one becomes tired after eating,

food is very suspect. Many people who eat an abundance of carbs have

sugar handling issues and experience tiredness in the afternoon.

There is a very good book that addresses " food and inhalant

allergies " and gives an excellent technique, which anyone can do, to

determine if they are sensitive to something, " The Pulse Test " by

Arthur Coca, M.D. Utilizing this technique one women determined she

was sensitive to her toothpaste of all things.

> I've always been tired a lot, but I tend to be thin and warm, so

that

> rules out hypothyroid as far as I can tell. If anything I'd say my

> thyroid is overactive.

>

**What you referred to or a difficulty gaining weight, even with

large appetite, is indeed a symptom of an overactive thyroid. This

is also an indication of intestinal parasites. It could be one or all

of the above.

> On the other hand, people tend to make diagnoses like candida,

> or chronic fatigue, or depression, which I believe are NOT root

> causes, but are merely descriptions of the problem.

**It is not within my scope to make a diagnoses. What I work from

are indicators one describes, a thorough interview and questionnaire

with 322 questions, and the response of the body in a functional

(hands on) body evaluation. It is extremely difficult to know

anything for sure without a one on one basis, being able to touch and

check the body for sensitivities. Sort of like a dentist or a

chiropractor working with someone without the body being

available.

Janice

> I suspect food sensitivities (like gluten intolerance), and

nutrient

> deficiencies, cause fatigue in many cases, without thyroid

> problems.

>

> And in other threads people are exploring blood sugar problems

> and horomonal imbalances (besides thyroid) which may be

> causes.

>

> Just some thoughts...

> Daphne

>

>

>

> > ,

> > Even though I believe food sensitivity may be part of the

> problem

> > there is also another element. " Easily fatigued, sleepy during

> the

> > day " are both signs of low thyroid function. " The thyroid gland

> > produces thyroid hormone, which acts as an accelerator to the

> body's

> > metabolism. Some of the common signs and symptoms of

> hypothyroidism

> > include constipation, weight gain with diminished food intake,

> cold

> > intolerance, poor circulation, fluid retention, ringing in the

> ears,

> > poor memory, fatigue, dry skin and hair, hair loss, broken nails

> and

> > slow thinking. "

[Guest guest]

I wasn't asking for a diagnosis, actually. As you indicate, I agree

that what's appropriate for a forum like this is exchanging ideas and

information regarding how bodies work and how they interact with what

is put into them (and more broadly, interact with the environment

around them).

As a general matter, I don't consider 'candida' nor 'chronic fatigue'

a diagnosis at all; but merely a descriptions of a cluster of

symptoms. If a practitioner tells me I have 'candida', e.g. my body

has been invaded by little fungal beasties that are *causing*

symptoms, I consider them incompetent. I know that's been a prominent

theory for many years, but I don't buy it.

Oh, and for the record, I've never had a problem gaining weight if I

really tried. I just tend to be thin. We'll see if that continues to

be the case after my baby is born in March, LOL.

>

> **It is not within my scope to make a diagnoses. What I work from

> are indicators one describes, a thorough interview and questionnaire

> with 322 questions, and the response of the body in a functional

> (hands on) body evaluation. It is extremely difficult to know

> anything for sure without a one on one basis, being able to touch and

> check the body for sensitivities. Sort of like a dentist or a

> chiropractor working with someone without the body being

> available.

>

[Guest guest]

> I just tend to be thin. We'll see if that continues to

> be the case after my baby is born in March, LOL.

>

Hi Daphne ---

Here's some encouragement: I, too, am naturally thin, had three babies

in 5.5 years, gained 30 lbs. each time I was pregnant, and was slimmer

than ever after the pregnancies. I breastfed long-term (and ate like a

longshoreman the whole time!), and the weight seemed to melt away as

those hungry little babes inhaled their milk. I realize that not every

mom has the same experience --- witness those who work hard at shedding

those " baby pounds " --- but neither my naturally thin mother nor my

naturally thin sister had any problems returning to pre-pregnancy size

in a matter of months.

I am convinced that one's genetic heritage comes into play here, but

good eating habits certainly can't hurt, and one thing that's always

helped me to stay slim (without consciously " dieting " in any way) is

that I don't have a taste for sweets. Fats, yes --- *big* time! --- but

not sweets or really high-carb foods.

I wish you a happy, healthy pregnancy and an easy delivery in March

(good time to have a baby in the Northern Hemisphere --- you're big and

heavy during the cold months instead of lumbering around in the heat of

summer)!

Pat

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--- janicesp11 <janicesp11@...> wrote: > ,

> Some of the common signs and symptoms

> of hypothyroidism

> include constipation, weight gain with diminished

> food intake, cold

> intolerance, poor circulation, fluid retention,

> ringing in the ears,

> poor memory, fatigue, dry skin and hair, hair loss,

> broken nails and

> slow thinking. "

OK, sounds like me! How do I know if it's Thyroid or

adrenalin problems? I'm generally tired during the

day, but not fatigued - probably due to poor sleep

rather than anything else. Because I never used to be

tired I figured I didn't have hypothyroidism. What

can cause it?

Jo

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To complement this, according to Prescription for Nutritional Healing by

Balch and Balch, bacon, cheese, chocolate, eggplant, ham, potatoes, sauerkraut,

sugar, sausage, spinach, tomatoes and wine contain tyramine, which increases

norepinepherine levels. So these might be good daytime foods, while

high-tryptophan foods would be good night-time foods. Interesting that milk is

one

category and cheese in another.

Chris

In a message dated 9/3/03 1:25:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Kefir and starches are both VERY sleep inducing, at least for some folks.

> Kefir is full of tryptophan, which makes babies sleep. Carbs raise serotonin

> levels, esp. starchy carbs, which make you sleepy. Eating vegies and meats

> when you are needing to be active and starchy carbs and milk products when you

> want to want to sleep is the classic " traveller's advice " for getting thru

> time zone changes and it seems to work. I don't know where fruits fit in, but

> they don't seem to make me sleepy. Turkey is high tryptophan too, I think, so

> maybe it shouldn't be in the daytime category.

>

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

> > Some of the common signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism

> > include constipation, weight gain with diminished food intake,

cold intolerance, poor circulation, fluid retention,

> > ringing in the ears,poor memory, fatigue, dry skin and hair, hair

loss, broken nails and slow thinking. "

>

> OK, sounds like me! How do I know if it's Thyroid or

> adrenalin problems? I'm generally tired during the

> day, but not fatigued - probably due to poor sleep

> rather than anything else.

**Well there is conflicting info here. The first thing is to make

certain the individual IS getting enough sleep, which you say you are

not. Which would lead to the question why is that? Is it simply a

matter of not enough hours sleeping for you and your body to be

rested or are you not completly resting and rejuvenating during your

sleeping hours?

If you are waking during your sleep and unable to get back to sleep,

which would indicate a sugar handling issue, in my e-mail on 9/2, Re:

sleep, adrenaline, hormones ???, I wrote...At night the blood sugar

begins to drop especially at around 1 AM. The suggestion is for the

individual to have their blood sugar regulation assessed for

hypoglycemia, i.e. fasting blood glucose and running a six hour

glucose-insulin tolerance test.

Because I never used to be

> tired I figured I didn't have hypothyroidism. What

> can cause it?

**There are so many reasons, too many to begin to list. Diet would

be a place to look. At the bottom of this e-mail you responded to I

listed ways to stimulate the thyroid. You might want to try some of

those suggestions. And also this book has been mentioned before, The

Schwarzbein Principle, which offers a lot about healthy fats and

balancing hormones.___

Janice

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--- janicesp11 <janicesp11@...> wrote: > Hi Jo,

> Is it simply a

> matter of not enough hours sleeping for you and your

> body to be

> rested or are you not completly resting and

> rejuvenating during your

> sleeping hours?

Janice

I am waking up at about 5am some nights. It's not

consistent, but sporadic. While I was on holiday, I

slept soundly every night despite extreme temperatures

(around 35deg and high humidity). At home, around 4-5

times per week I wake up.

>

> If you are waking during your sleep and unable to

> get back to sleep,

> which would indicate a sugar handling issue, in my

> e-mail on 9/2, Re:

> sleep, adrenaline, hormones ???, I wrote...At night

> the blood sugar

> begins to drop especially at around 1 AM.

Surely then if it was a blood sugar issue, I would

awake around 1am? Not 4 hours later?

And also this book has been

> mentioned before, The

> Schwarzbein Principle, which offers a lot about

> healthy fats and

> balancing hormones.___

Dr S offers a lot of good information, but her diet

does not agree with me. It is too high carb, which

brings my eczema up, and I just cannot be doing with

the rigidity of it. It made me obsessive and

depressed. I followed TSP2 fr about 2-3 months, and

it made no difference to my sleeping patterns.

Jo

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Jo...

> Janice

> I am waking up at about 5am some nights. It's not

> consistent, but sporadic. While I was on holiday, I

> slept soundly every night despite extreme temperatures

> (around 35deg and high humidity). At home, around 4-5

> times per week I wake up.

> I wrote...At night the blood sugar

> > begins to drop especially at around 1 AM.

>

> Surely then if it was a blood sugar issue, I would

> awake around 1am? Not 4 hours later?

>

**It is really so challenging to make an assessment without having

you available for a hands on check. But what about the info that

Sonya sent 1-3 AM Liver

3-5 AM Lungs

5-7 AM Large intestine

7-9 AM Stomach

and then additional the part about each organ system being paired,

i.e. 3-5 lungs, lungs/large intentines...

And I saw you sent something about dark circles which also are

associated with food allergies. And you mentioned the thing about

carbs, which might indicate... functional hypochlorhydria and

pancreatic insufficiency causes the maldigestion of carbohydrates,

fats and proteins.

There are so many things. Like Dr. Mike said before, it helps to be

a detective, eliminating one thing at a time, rather than trying too

many things at once.

Janice

> And also this book has been

> > mentioned before, The

> > Schwarzbein Principle, which offers a lot about

> > healthy fats and

> > balancing hormones.___

>

> Dr S offers a lot of good information, but her diet

> does not agree with me. It is too high carb, which

> brings my eczema up, and I just cannot be doing with

> the rigidity of it. It made me obsessive and

> depressed. I followed TSP2 fr about 2-3 months, and

> it made no difference to my sleeping patterns.

>

> Jo

>

>

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hi Janice

--- janicesp11 <janicesp11@...> wrote: > Jo...

> **It is really so challenging to make an assessment

> without having

> you available for a hands on check. But what about

> the info that

> Sonya sent 1-3 AM Liver

> 3-5 AM Lungs

> 5-7 AM Large intestine

> 7-9 AM Stomach

> and then additional the part about each organ system

> being paired,

> i.e. 3-5 lungs, lungs/large intentines...

Generally I wake up at 5.20. However, if I go to bed

an hour earlier, I wake up at 4.20. This week I've

been waking up at 6.30, but I've been getting earlier

nights and I think I'm waking due to my boyfriend

snoring loudly in my ear! lol!

>

> And I saw you sent something about dark circles

> which also are

> associated with food allergies. And you mentioned

> the thing about

> carbs, which might indicate... functional

> hypochlorhydria

I've not heard of that - can you explain?

and

> pancreatic insufficiency causes the maldigestion of

> carbohydrates,

> fats and proteins.

What is pancreatic insufficiency? Does that mean I'm

not producing enough insulin? If so, I would probably

disagree and I believe I have reversed my insulin

resistance back to insulin sensitivity after 3.5 years

of low carbing.

Would taking digestive enzymes help?

> There are so many things. Like Dr. Mike said

> before, it helps to be

> a detective, eliminating one thing at a time, rather

> than trying too

> many things at once.

I eliminated last year, and that's when I picked up

dairy was my thing. I lost lots of weight and

generally felt great. However, when I repeat the

exercise nothing happens and I am currently about 7lbs

above where I should be. The excess is all around my

middle and varies widely in size depending in how

bloated I am. The only thing I can think is that last

year I took antihistamines, and this year I hardly did

at all. I regularly give up 1 thing. Like caffeine,

chocolate, grains, yeasts, fermented foods (eg

vinegar). Nothing seems to make any difference except

spicey foods - chilli and raw onion (although I can

eat onion cooked). I get bloated eating chillies, and

it takes about a week for my belly to shrink.

I have also noticed problems with Kefir. People on

the kefir list are convinced kefir is cleansing and I

can't possibly have a problem with it. howeve, it

makes me veyr constipated and makes me gain weight. I

do love it though and recently started making it again

when I went back to eating dairy. Dairy is an

addiction for me. I can't have just a little.

Thanks for your insight

Jo

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