Re: btitng, help please

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine

So sorry you are going thru this nad we have recently had a similar situation with school where the Head Teacher said that had s behaviour not settled down they might have to think of another placement. I am going to email you my fone number if you fancy a chat, I am doing a Masters in Profound Disabilities at manchester (dont know if you know that!) but am currently writing an assignement on Inclusion, actually sent that, now on Challenging Behaviour and am quite interested in the legislation relating to Inclusion. For everyones information I am very pro inclusion and would be so upset in your situation right now. This

is a very contentious issue of course and not everyone wants a mainstream place for their child. But I just think lots of society's discrimination is down to segregated schooling.

I will galdly help you any way I can but not sure how useful that we will be to you. What are they doing to find out why he is biting? Its their duty to assess him in ways like this. Its also completely illegal for you not to have your son there if you want him to be there, the only problem is the legislation makes it very easy for teachers to wriggle out of!

Poor you, what about your ABA consultant could they help you, any supportive medics, social worker etc. Do you think his teeth are OK? Are you chelating, could there by any probs with that?Is he impacted again? It might be worth testing have you done that recently?

I so sympathise because we had such a hellish first part of this year, its such a worry, constantly... Call me if you fancy a chat.

Luv

Caroline

xxx

PS Do you have a copy of the new Additional Support for Learning Bill, I think you can get copies from Enable who also has a helpline about matters like this...

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

I am a bit of a novice at this but for us zinc stopped this

aggressive biting. I have just googled and there were quite a lot of

hits on the subject, I also found out that 'inflamed, irritated gut

present in autism will not absorb zinc' so perhaps if he is ill at

the moment it is affecting his zinc uptake ?

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am hoping some of you might have some good ideas on how to

resolve a

> serious issue we have here regards biting. Any suggestions would be

> appreciated.

>

> As most of you know we have been doing biomed with since

November.

> It has been quite a slow process because he has such a bad gut and

has

> reacted to quite a few supplements but we are getting there and he

has made

> lots of very good progress. His language has improved (both

expressive and

> receptive), improved eye contact, more social awareness etc..

>

> Before tackling 's gut bugs and constipation he was biting at

school

> on a daily basis. Sometimes 4-6 times a day and it was

indiscriminate. As

> the year progressed he bit less and less with perhaps one incident

every few

> weeks and often very minor. At the end if the academic year last

year he

> got a very good report in relation to general progress but they

also said

> that they thought he was inappropropriately placed and would

perhaps be

> better somewhere else. He is currently attending an ASD base

attached to a

> mainstream school. The majority of children in the base are very

high

> functioning, which Is not. I of course do not want to move

him and

> said that he was making good progress and would stay. Their reply

was that

> they would keep a VERY close eye on the situation.

>

> And so to this week. went back to school on Monday and did

well. He

> had a sore tummy on Tuesday and came home. Did well at school

Wednesday and

> Thursday. This morning the Headteacher phoned to say that

had bitten

> the classroom assistant. The story is that he was stimming with

something

> and when it was taken from him he very badly bit her arm. The head

teacher

> made it clear that she felt that the classroom situation was too

difficult

> for him!! I think that they are going to do their best to have

> removed from the school this year. Does anybody have any ideas on

how to

> stop the biting?

>

> The school have just phoned again to say that he is not well could

I take

> him home!

>

> Biomed wise he has just finished antibiotics, is on new

probiotics. It

> could be die off, but that will not wash with the school.

>

> Thanks

>

> (A very anxious) Elaine

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks, I will look into zinc.

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of

Sent: 25 August 2006 12:58

Autism Treatment

Subject:

Re: btitng, help please

Hi Elaine,

I am a bit of a novice at this but for us zinc stopped this

aggressive biting. I have just googled and there were quite a lot of

hits on the subject, I also found out that 'inflamed, irritated gut

present in autism will not absorb zinc' so perhaps if he is ill at

the moment it is affecting his zinc uptake ?

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am hoping some of you might have some good ideas on how to

resolve a

> serious issue we have here regards biting. Any suggestions would be

> appreciated.

>

> As most of you know we have been doing biomed with since

November.

> It has been quite a slow process because he has such a bad gut and

has

> reacted to quite a few supplements but we are getting there and he

has made

> lots of very good progress. His language has improved (both

expressive and

> receptive), improved eye contact, more social awareness etc..

>

> Before tackling 's gut bugs and constipation he was biting at

school

> on a daily basis. Sometimes 4-6 times a day and it was

indiscriminate. As

> the year progressed he bit less and less with perhaps one incident

every few

> weeks and often very minor. At the end if the academic year last

year he

> got a very good report in relation to general progress but they

also said

> that they thought he was inappropropriately placed and would

perhaps be

> better somewhere else. He is currently attending an ASD base

attached to a

> mainstream school. The majority of children in the base are very

high

> functioning, which Is not. I of course do not want to move

him and

> said that he was making good progress and would stay. Their reply

was that

> they would keep a VERY close eye on the situation.

>

> And so to this week. went back to school on Monday and did

well. He

> had a sore tummy on Tuesday and came home. Did well at school

Wednesday and

> Thursday. This morning the Headteacher phoned to say that

had bitten

> the classroom assistant. The story is that he was stimming with

something

> and when it was taken from him he very badly bit her arm. The head

teacher

> made it clear that she felt that the classroom situation was too

difficult

> for him!! I think that they are going to do their best to have

> removed from the school this year. Does anybody have any ideas on

how to

> stop the biting?

>

> The school have just phoned again to say that he is not well could

I take

> him home!

>

> Biomed wise he has just finished antibiotics, is on new

probiotics. It

> could be die off, but that will not wash with the school.

>

> Thanks

>

> (A very anxious) Elaine

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 25/08/2006 17:09:37 GMT Daylight Time, Elaine.Rankin@... writes:

On a final note, so far nothing has beat in autism and I will not let this beat me there must be answers/solutions out there.

Thats the spirit girl, theres no problems only solutions,there is always an answer. Annie in Edinburgh is a lovely person and sometimes as parents we are too emotive. A good functional analysis of whtas going on there is what you need and a startegy that they will feel comfortable witha t school too. We ahev just had a consultant at s school and it was incredible. Please contact cekirk Primary too they will share info with your schooltoo. we shall caht about it when we talk next week. have a fun weekend a few glasses of wine and you will feel better.

Lotsa Love Caroline

xxx

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline,

I will definitely call you but it may be

early next week as the weekend is hectic.

was constipated over the last couple of days but oxypowder has sorted that out. His constipation is a constant battle,

but one I feel in control of mostly because of oxypowder. He does have some die off issues at the

moment. We have still to start chelation and I have still to start MB12. They were delayed due to antibiotics etc

I now have three things to add before MB12 which will probably take about 1

month. I actually think I should

just get these supplements into him quickly so he can move on but I am worried

that it will cause even more problems at school.

The thing is, if you look logically at the

situation he has come on soooo much in the last 9

months, but they sometimes loose sight of that at school, as we sometimes do

to. I have contacted my ABA person and I am also going to be speaking to the

behaviour person at the new centre in Edinburgh

next week. Sometimes a fresh pair

of eyes is so helpful.

Anyway will fill you in when I get a

moments peace. If anyone else has

made it this far down the e-mail any more suggestions would be gratefully

received.

On a final note, so far nothing has beat

in autism and I will not let this beat me there must be answers/solutions out

there.

Thanks

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of CarolineTraa@...

Sent: 25 August 2006 15:54

Autism Treatment

Subject: Re:

btitng, help please

Hi Elaine

So sorry you are going thru this nad we

have recently had a similar situation with school where the Head Teacher said

that had s behaviour not settled down they might have to think of

another placement. I am going to email you my fone number if you fancy a chat,

I am doing a Masters in Profound Disabilities at manchester (dont know if you

know that!) but am currently writing an assignement on Inclusion, actually sent

that, now on Challenging Behaviour and am quite interested in the legislation

relating to Inclusion. For everyones information I am very pro inclusion

and would be so upset in your situation right now. This

is a very contentious issue of course and

not everyone wants a mainstream place for their child. But I just think lots of

society's discrimination is down to segregated schooling.

I will galdly help you any way I can but

not sure how useful that we will be to you. What are they doing to find out why

he is biting? Its their duty to assess him in ways like this. Its also

completely illegal for you not to have your son there if you want him to be

there, the only problem is the legislation makes it very easy for teachers

to wriggle out of!

Poor you, what about your ABA consultant could they

help you, any supportive medics, social worker etc. Do you think his teeth are

OK? Are you chelating, could there by any probs with that?Is he impacted again?

It might be worth testing have you done that recently?

I so sympathise because we had such a

hellish first part of this year, its such a worry, constantly... Call me

if you fancy a chat.

Luv

Caroline

xxx

PS Do you have a copy of the new

Additional Support for Learning Bill, I think you can get copies from Enable

who also has a helpline about matters like this...

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine

I have also heard that zinc is good for this sort of thing - but I

have also had other parents have good success with something Donna

suggested which is how to react when your child is going to

bite - which perhaps you could explain to the teacher and classroom

assistant.

When you can see your child is going to bite - instead of moving

away, you move your hand towards their mouth (or whatever part they

are about to bite) and say to the child - you can bite my hand - but

please bite it gently. I have only had 2 Mums try this technique and

the feedback I have had it works wonders.

This technique also seems to work with hitting. My son has rarely hit

me - but on the odd occasions when he has gone to slap my face in

frustration - I have moved my cheek closer and again said 'you can

hit but hit me gently' and he has immediately stopped and given me a

hug instead.

Good luck with everything

Nicola

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I am hoping some of you might have some good ideas on how to

> resolve a

> > serious issue we have here regards biting. Any suggestions would

be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > As most of you know we have been doing biomed with since

> November.

> > It has been quite a slow process because he has such a bad gut

and

> has

> > reacted to quite a few supplements but we are getting there and

he

> has made

> > lots of very good progress. His language has improved (both

> expressive and

> > receptive), improved eye contact, more social awareness etc..

> >

> > Before tackling 's gut bugs and constipation he was biting

at

> school

> > on a daily basis. Sometimes 4-6 times a day and it was

> indiscriminate. As

> > the year progressed he bit less and less with perhaps one

incident

> every few

> > weeks and often very minor. At the end if the academic year last

> year he

> > got a very good report in relation to general progress but they

> also said

> > that they thought he was inappropropriately placed and would

> perhaps be

> > better somewhere else. He is currently attending an ASD base

> attached to a

> > mainstream school. The majority of children in the base are very

> high

> > functioning, which Is not. I of course do not want to move

> him and

> > said that he was making good progress and would stay. Their reply

> was that

> > they would keep a VERY close eye on the situation.

> >

> > And so to this week. went back to school on Monday and did

> well. He

> > had a sore tummy on Tuesday and came home. Did well at school

> Wednesday and

> > Thursday. This morning the Headteacher phoned to say that

> had bitten

> > the classroom assistant. The story is that he was stimming with

> something

> > and when it was taken from him he very badly bit her arm. The

head

> teacher

> > made it clear that she felt that the classroom situation was too

> difficult

> > for him!! I think that they are going to do their best to have

>

> > removed from the school this year. Does anybody have any ideas on

> how to

> > stop the biting?

> >

> > The school have just phoned again to say that he is not well

could

> I take

> > him home!

> >

> > Biomed wise he has just finished antibiotics, is on new

> probiotics. It

> > could be die off, but that will not wash with the school.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > (A very anxious) Elaine

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicola,

I will give that a go at home first. I don’t think the school would be quite

open to that at the moment. What I have

done is started a behavioural program that I made up myself. I would appreciate any input.

II have bought a teething ring and a soft tiger that has a bean bag

body. Today I have been telling him

to bite the tiger and the ring.

I have photographs of body parts and I am saying ‘Do you bite

arms?’ answers no. ‘Do you bite hands?’

answers no. ‘ Do you bite tiger?’ and

answers yes.

I am going to suggest that he has this tiger sitting on his desk at

school so that he has access to it and get them to reinforce biting the

tiger.

I do think that the biting is gut related

and will go when his gut improves again, but in the meantime I hope that this

will satisfy ’s need to bite and satisfy the school that I am being

supportive.

Feel free to comment. Good or bad I would appreciate it.

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of trotmannicola

Sent: 26 August 2006 18:18

Autism Treatment

Subject:

Re: btitng, help please

Hi Elaine

I have also heard that zinc is good for this sort of thing - but I

have also had other parents have good success with something Donna

suggested which is how to react when your child is going to

bite - which perhaps you could explain to the teacher and classroom

assistant.

When you can see your child is going to bite - instead of moving

away, you move your hand towards their mouth (or whatever part they

are about to bite) and say to the child - you can bite my hand - but

please bite it gently. I have only had 2 Mums try this technique and

the feedback I have had it works wonders.

This technique also seems to work with hitting. My son has rarely hit

me - but on the odd occasions when he has gone to slap my face in

frustration - I have moved my cheek closer and again said 'you can

hit but hit me gently' and he has immediately stopped and given me a

hug instead.

Good luck with everything

Nicola

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I am hoping some of you might have some good ideas on how to

> resolve a

> > serious issue we have here regards biting. Any suggestions would

be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > As most of you know we have been doing biomed with since

> November.

> > It has been quite a slow process because he has such a bad gut

and

> has

> > reacted to quite a few supplements but we are getting there and

he

> has made

> > lots of very good progress. His language has improved (both

> expressive and

> > receptive), improved eye contact, more social awareness etc..

> >

> > Before tackling 's gut bugs and constipation he was biting

at

> school

> > on a daily basis. Sometimes 4-6 times a day and it was

> indiscriminate. As

> > the year progressed he bit less and less with perhaps one

incident

> every few

> > weeks and often very minor. At the end if the academic year last

> year he

> > got a very good report in relation to general progress but they

> also said

> > that they thought he was inappropropriately placed and would

> perhaps be

> > better somewhere else. He is currently attending an ASD base

> attached to a

> > mainstream school. The majority of children in the base are very

> high

> > functioning, which Is not. I of course do not want to move

> him and

> > said that he was making good progress and would stay. Their reply

> was that

> > they would keep a VERY close eye on the situation.

> >

> > And so to this week. went back to school on Monday and did

> well. He

> > had a sore tummy on Tuesday and came home. Did well at school

> Wednesday and

> > Thursday. This morning the Headteacher phoned to say that

> had bitten

> > the classroom assistant. The story is that he was stimming with

> something

> > and when it was taken from him he very badly bit her arm. The

head

> teacher

> > made it clear that she felt that the classroom situation was too

> difficult

> > for him!! I think that they are going to do their best to have

>

> > removed from the school this year. Does anybody have any ideas on

> how to

> > stop the biting?

> >

> > The school have just phoned again to say that he is not well

could

> I take

> > him home!

> >

> > Biomed wise he has just finished antibiotics, is on new

> probiotics. It

> > could be die off, but that will not wash with the school.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > (A very anxious) Elaine

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/08/2006 21:29:53 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankin@... writes:

Feel free to comment. Good or bad I would appreciate it.

Elaine

Elaine,

It's a tough situtation you are in. I don't know if it helps but my son bit from the age of 6 months up until I started him on the Zinc. I used to have a ring of bite marks around my neck where he would bite me when he was anxious. He would even do it when he was *overly* happy!

Because of his age, he could not be reasoned with as you are doing with your son but I did find that putting a teething ring around his neck or giving him a biscuit in each hand to bite on did stop most of the biting of people. I finally had pretty much trained him to bite objects rather than me or his dad. So I think that's a great plan you've devised. I know for my son it is more about getting a good ole chomp in than it is about actually biting another person. It is also a lot about impulse control - if you can condition your son's response to bite the tiger, then that's great.

It sounds like a great program that you've set up - fingers crossed that your son catches on soon and that the biting abates.

Take care,

Darla

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

i don't remember how old your son is. is he of the age to start losing

his milk teeth? - that can trigger chewing.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

is 9 and has already got some of

his second teeth. He does have one

decayed tooth which may be giving him bother. But it hasn’t up to this point. I will keep an eye on it. We are hoping it will fall out soon!

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of mcollins2001uk

Sent: 27 August 2006 09:43

Autism Treatment

Subject:

Re: btitng, help please

Elaine,

i don't remember how old your son is. is he of the age to start losing

his milk teeth? - that can trigger chewing.

Margaret