Re: OXYPOWDER - adverse reactions!!!

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In a message dated 05/08/2006 11:07:04 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

Any way to cut a long story short, a higher dose is having the desired effect which is great BUT: along with the bowels moving again we are getting some very nasty side-effects. We seem to have got very aggressive yeast and bacteria symptoms all mixed up together, life is not very good at the moment :+(

>>>This is because the Oxypowder is helping shift those bugs IMOH and IMHE

Combine the Oxypowder with probiotics and or other killers - I do it with Sacc Boulardii and chase it with CP1

Mandi x

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Hello Nikki,

Hopefully you’ll get a better answer

than this one from people who know more but fwiw said that Herba naturelle

senna is generally deemed safe by DAN! doctors and we are currently giving it

to Tom as we couldn’t shift stuff with oxypowder alone. She previously

recommended liquid paraffin (to be given with oxypowder) but Tom had an adverse

reaction to it.

Sara x

OXYPOWDER - adverse reactions!!!

Hi all,

you may remember a little while ago i posted that oxypowder did not

work for us (i have the King of Constipation here ;+( ) but since

reading of some of you having success with it i decided to have

another go, uping the dosage to see if i could get it to work for us.

I have really been hoping to find something better to use than the

nasty prescription meds our doc and paed love so much and can't

understand my dislike of them!

Any way to cut a long story short, a higher dose is having the desired

effect which is great BUT: along with the bowels moving again we are

getting some very nasty side-effects. We seem to have got very

aggressive yeast and bacteria symptoms all mixed up together, life is

not very good at the moment :+(

I'm persuming the reason for this is that the oxypowder has really

stirred things up in Gregs gut, unless any of you can think of any

other reason and has anyone else had this reaction? and i would really

appreciate ideas as to what has happened, what to do, should i ride it

out and hope that things will settle down or should i treat

aggressively?

TIA for anything you think might help, the summer hols are seeming

extra long at the moment :+(

Nikki

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Hi Nikki,

Because the OxyPowder releases oxygen it could and should kill off a

whole load of anaerobic bugs, including yeasts and some bacteria - a

lot of the baddies are anaerobic - so that may be the reason you've

got what looks like a yeast and bacteria flare-up.

Lots of toxins are probably being released as the bugs, which which

no doubt been having a field day in the compressed faecal matter in

poor Greg's guts, get their come-uppance.

That would be my take on it. I haven't seen anything to suggest

anything else and I did have a good look on the net before we used it

(actually with the specific aim of clearing out bad bugs) so I would

sit it out and keep going.

Hope things get better soon.

Patience

>

> Hi all,

>

> you may remember a little while ago i posted that oxypowder did not

> work for us (i have the King of Constipation here ;+( ) but since

> reading of some of you having success with it i decided to have

> another go, uping the dosage to see if i could get it to work for

us.

> I have really been hoping to find something better to use than the

> nasty prescription meds our doc and paed love so much and can't

> understand my dislike of them!

>

> Any way to cut a long story short, a higher dose is having the

desired

> effect which is great BUT: along with the bowels moving again we

are

> getting some very nasty side-effects. We seem to have got very

> aggressive yeast and bacteria symptoms all mixed up together, life

is

> not very good at the moment :+(

>

> I'm persuming the reason for this is that the oxypowder has really

> stirred things up in Gregs gut, unless any of you can think of any

> other reason and has anyone else had this reaction? and i would

really

> appreciate ideas as to what has happened, what to do, should i ride

it

> out and hope that things will settle down or should i treat

> aggressively?

>

> TIA for anything you think might help, the summer hols are seeming

> extra long at the moment :+(

>

> Nikki

>

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>

> > getting some very nasty side-effects. We seem to have got very

> aggressive yeast and bacteria symptoms all mixed up together, life

is

> not very good at the moment :+(

>

> Hi Nikki

Yes we got die off of something and yeast flare up too ( a red, sore

willy is always a give away for us). It does stir stuff up but

using probiotics and antifungal killers will see it through. Alas

for us, thinks we need something stronger than natural

antifungals like Yeast aid and Biocidin. Whatever bugs has

got are certainly hanging around!!

Good Luck.

Helen

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In a message dated 05/08/2006 17:09:57 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

He does get both of these, 2 sacc B on waking and 2 last thing at night (when i remember - fairly brain dead at that time) plus 2 CP1s given separately during the day not necerssarily at the same time as the Oxy just when i think about it (very unscientific here!), but not sure these are helping much, do you think i should give more or something different as well, or give with the oxy? Sorry so many Q's!!!

>>>They will help more I think once the 'shite is shifted' as they say

It took Caroline a good while to get through the clearing out with .

Things have to be easier during the summer don;t they? (she said hopefully)

I can't go to shitsville for Sam with (Mr AS) here or he'll go completely off his trolley - next week he is taking Tom and Joe to Alton Towers for a few days so its just me and Sam and a bottle of Oxypowder..............................

Mandi x

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In a message dated 05/08/2006 19:47:06 GMT Daylight Time, olivers4@... writes:

says to give oxy last thing at night with all other probiotics ie. CP1 etc. so long as its on an empty tummy

>>>Thats what I have been doign on me and then.........................RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to that toilet

Mandi x

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Hi Sara,

Where do you get this stuff from i am always looking for different

things to try to avoid going back to using lactulose or worse!!!

We couldn't get liquid paraffin down the throat here, so its crossed

off our list also :+)

things are a bit calmer here at the mo, hence being able to get on

the 'puter, my life line!!!!!!

Nikki

>

> Hello Nikki,

>

> Hopefully you'll get a better answer than this one from people who

know more

> but fwiw said that Herba naturelle senna is generally deemed

safe by

> DAN! doctors and we are currently giving it to Tom as we couldn't

shift

> stuff with oxypowder alone. She previously recommended liquid

paraffin (to

> be given with oxypowder) but Tom had an adverse reaction to it.

>

> Sara x

>

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HI Patience,

Thanks for this it makes perfect sense to me from what i am seeing.

I shall have to grit my teeth and keep going.

Did you think it cleared out the bad bugs for you when you used it

and how long did it take, would be good to hear that the end result

will be worth it!!!!!!

NIKKI

>

> Hi Nikki,

>

> Because the OxyPowder releases oxygen it could and should kill off

a

> whole load of anaerobic bugs, including yeasts and some bacteria -

a

> lot of the baddies are anaerobic - so that may be the reason

you've

> got what looks like a yeast and bacteria flare-up.

>

> Lots of toxins are probably being released as the bugs, which

which

> no doubt been having a field day in the compressed faecal matter

in

> poor Greg's guts, get their come-uppance.

>

> That would be my take on it. I haven't seen anything to suggest

> anything else and I did have a good look on the net before we used

it

> (actually with the specific aim of clearing out bad bugs) so I

would

> sit it out and keep going.

>

> Hope things get better soon.

> Patience

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >>>This is because the Oxypowder is helping shift those bugs IMOH

and IMHE

Mandi,

I'm in agrrement with you here, but it sure is tough going!!!

> Combine the Oxypowder with probiotics and or other killers - I do

it

with

> Sacc Boulardii and chase it with CP1

>

> Mandi x

He does get both of these, 2 sacc B on waking and 2 last thing at

night (when i remember - fairly brain dead at that time) plus 2 CP1s

given separately during the day not necerssarily at the same time as

the Oxy just when i think about it (very unscientific here!), but

not sure these are helping much, do you think i should give more or

something different as well, or give with the oxy? Sorry so many

Q's!!!

Thanks, Nikki

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hi nikki

im actually doing the oxypowder protocol with my children. so here it is

start at a low dose per night

say 1 cap 1st day

2 cap 2nd and so on

until you reach max dose usually 6 caps with it add senna if required.

thanks for the natural senna since sennokot has wheat in.

you should see runny poo to cow pat really depends on your child and diet.

ofcourse theres going to be regression. remember this child is ill

and when you kill of bad bacteria even with the normal child you will

see side effects.

add natural bug killers and probiotic to have a complete bug killing

month week. i use oregano oil and grape fruit extract liq all from

mandi mart and cp1 the strongest and recommended as the best by my

consultant.

i hope this helps nasreen

> >

> > >>>This is because the Oxypowder is helping shift those bugs IMOH

> and IMHE

>

> Mandi,

> I'm in agrrement with you here, but it sure is tough going!!!

>

>

> > Combine the Oxypowder with probiotics and or other killers - I do

> it

> with

> > Sacc Boulardii and chase it with CP1

> >

> > Mandi x

>

>

> He does get both of these, 2 sacc B on waking and 2 last thing at

> night (when i remember - fairly brain dead at that time) plus 2 CP1s

> given separately during the day not necerssarily at the same time as

> the Oxy just when i think about it (very unscientific here!), but

> not sure these are helping much, do you think i should give more or

> something different as well, or give with the oxy? Sorry so many

> Q's!!!

>

> Thanks, Nikki

>

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>

>

> He does get both of these, 2 sacc B on waking and 2 last thing at

> night (when i remember - fairly brain dead at that time) plus 2 CP1s

> given separately during the day not necerssarily at the same time as

> the Oxy just when i think about it (very unscientific here!), but

> not sure these are helping much, do you think i should give more or

> something different as well, or give with the oxy? Sorry so many

> Q's!!!

>

> Thanks, Nikki

>

Hi Nikki

says to give oxy last thing at night with all other probiotics

ie. CP1 etc. so long as its on an empty tummy

Hope that helps

Helen

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We just

got it from the Nutricentre.

Sara XX

Re: OXYPOWDER - adverse reactions!!!

Hi Sara,

Where do you get this stuff from i am always looking for different

things to try to avoid going back to using lactulose or worse!!!

We couldn't get liquid paraffin down the throat here, so its crossed

off our list also :+)

things are a bit calmer here at the mo, hence being able to get on

the 'puter, my life line!!!!!!

Nikki

>

> Hello Nikki,

>

> Hopefully you'll get a better answer than this one from people who

know more

> but fwiw said that Herba naturelle senna is generally deemed

safe by

> DAN! doctors and we are currently giving it to Tom as we couldn't

shift

> stuff with oxypowder alone. She previously recommended liquid

paraffin (to

> be given with oxypowder) but Tom had an adverse reaction to it.

>

> Sara x

>

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In a message dated 07/08/2006 13:22:55 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

The reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i would quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to anybody?

>>>It takes the overnight to work here, pooping starts when awake.

Is it going through him faster than 6-8 hours then? Tricky dicky. I dose Sam's when I go to bed, lidded cup in his sleep coz thats how I give him the probiotics

Mandi x

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In a message dated 07/08/2006 13:22:55 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

The reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i would quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to anybody?

>>>It takes the overnight to work here, pooping starts when awake.

Is it going through him faster than 6-8 hours then? Tricky dicky. I dose Sam's when I go to bed, lidded cup in his sleep coz thats how I give him the probiotics

Mandi x

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In a message dated 07/08/2006 13:22:55 GMT Standard Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

The reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i would quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to anybody?

Nikki

I am so not up on my email so maybe somebody answered this but I find if we give at night the explosion of pooh comes mostly following day in afternoon. So quite relaibly when we were doing this, we could out mornings then afternoons were pooh time...

Sorry folkd dont want to put you off dinner. And I also give lotsa probiotics at night anyway, Singulair, Melatonin before bed too.

JMHO

HTH

Lotsa Love Caroline

xxx

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Hi all just catching up on replies to my oxypowder problem. I've

noticed a couple of you have said give at night on a emplty stomach

with probiotics and that this is what says too. Now i have a

bit of a problem understanding this reasoning and was hoping you

could explain.

The reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i would

quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to

give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be

critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to

anybody?

TIA, Nikki

>

> says to give oxy last thing at night with all other

probiotics

> ie. CP1 etc. so long as its on an empty tummy

>

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>

> >>>They will help more I think once the 'shite is shifted' as

they say

>

Can't fault your reasoning there Girl!!!

> Things have to be easier during the summer don;t they? (she said

hopefully)

Well, at least you can open the doors and windows, so yes, lol

> I can't go to shitsville for Sam with (Mr AS) here or he'll

go

> completely off his trolley - next week he is taking Tom and Joe to

Alton Towers for

> a few days so its just me and Sam and a bottle of

> Oxypowder..............................

Hmmmm, you are a wise old owl, Mandi, i should have got rid of dh,

the helpful comment i am getting at the mo is 'I prefer him when

he's constipated' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................how useful is that

and he's not even the one doing the cleaning up :+(

Nikki

ps i love him really :+)

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Have you tried Vitamin C as laxative - 5 - 20 g / day.

Geir Flatabø

On 8/7/06, nm44714 <nikkigoian44714@...> wrote:

>> >>>They will help more I think once the 'shite is shifted' asthey say>

Can't fault your reasoning there Girl!!!> Things have to be easier during the summer don;t they? (she saidhopefully)Well, at least you can open the doors and windows, so yes, lol

> I can't go to shitsville for Sam with (Mr AS) here or he'llgo> completely off his trolley - next week he is taking Tom and Joe toAlton Towers for> a few days so its just me and Sam and a bottle of

> Oxypowder..............................Hmmmm, you are a wise old owl, Mandi, i should have got rid of dh,the helpful comment i am getting at the mo is 'I prefer him whenhe's constipated' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................how useful is that

and he's not even the one doing the cleaning up :+(Nikkips i love him really :+)DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Have you tried Vitamin C as laxative - 5 - 20 g / day.

Geir Flatabø

On 8/7/06, nm44714 <nikkigoian44714@...> wrote:

>> >>>They will help more I think once the 'shite is shifted' asthey say>

Can't fault your reasoning there Girl!!!> Things have to be easier during the summer don;t they? (she saidhopefully)Well, at least you can open the doors and windows, so yes, lol

> I can't go to shitsville for Sam with (Mr AS) here or he'llgo> completely off his trolley - next week he is taking Tom and Joe toAlton Towers for> a few days so its just me and Sam and a bottle of

> Oxypowder..............................Hmmmm, you are a wise old owl, Mandi, i should have got rid of dh,the helpful comment i am getting at the mo is 'I prefer him whenhe's constipated' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................how useful is that

and he's not even the one doing the cleaning up :+(Nikkips i love him really :+)DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Hi Geir,

thanks for this advise, but unfortunately aren't able to do it as it

is something we have already tried and is how we found out that our

son had problems with Oxalates. Vit C makes/is (never sure which -

possibly both) high oxalate.

When things have settled down with the bowels i am planning to try

supplimentiing B6 with Magnesium (as suggested by - thank

you) to see if this helps with the oxalate problem. Just curious as

to whether you have any views on this?

Thanks, Nikki

>

> Have you tried Vitamin C as laxative - 5 - 20 g / day.

>

> Geir Flatabø

>

[Guest guest]

On 8/7/06, nm44714 <nikkigoian44714@...> wrote:

Hi Geir,thanks for this advise, but unfortunately aren't able to do it as itis something we have already tried and is how we found out that ourson had problems with Oxalates. Vit C makes/is (never sure which -

possibly both) high oxalate.When things have settled down with the bowels i am planning to trysupplimentiing B6 with Magnesium (as suggested by - thankyou) to see if this helps with the oxalate problem. Just curious as

to whether you have any views on this? Thanks, NikkiNo only that those are the recommendations on treating the Oxalate problem---- and lots of probiotics, - coconut youghurt... ?Geri Flatabø

>> Have you tried Vitamin C as laxative - 5 - 20 g / day.>> Geir Flatabø>DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Tom’s

works within about ½ an hour!

Sara

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Re: OXYPOWDER - adverse reactions!!!

In a message dated 07/08/2006 13:22:55 GMT Daylight Time,

nikkigoian44714hotmail writes:

The

reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i would

quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to

give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be

critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to

anybody?

>>>It takes the overnight to work here, pooping starts

when awake.

Is it going through him faster than 6-8 hours then? Tricky dicky.

I dose Sam's when I go to bed, lidded cup in his sleep coz thats how I give him

the probiotics

Mandi x

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In a message dated 08/08/2006 10:56:13 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714@... writes:

I noticed you use singular, i have heard of this but don't know what it is for, would you be happy to explain what it is and why you are using it for me?

Singulair is an anti-inflammatory drug used for kids with asthma.It has been tried for other inflammatory conditions too according toour pharmacistwho used to be chummy with one of their sales reps! Dr Krigsman uses it for some of his patients. Dr Usman suggested we should try it with rebecca if our GP and paediatrician would approve it. They did and we did. Its working well she definitely has lesspain for sure but not lesslikely to become impacted but IMHO it does seem to suggest she has some inflammation there which it is probably helping, or maybe its working on brain inflammation who knows. I like it and its easy to use and we shall see what Dr K says when we see him.

HTH Caroline

xxx

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Same here, with the correct dose the bowels were working within an

hour, and kept goiing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................hence my

concerns over doseing at night ;+(

Maybe for maintenance its ok to do this but not planning to try it

yet, maybe when things have settled down, lol.

Nikki

>

> Tom's works within about ½ an hour!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Re: OXYPOWDER - adverse

reactions!!!

>

>

>

> In a message dated 07/08/2006 13:22:55 GMT Daylight Time,

> nikkigoian44714@... writes:

>

> The reason i say this is that if i was to do this at present i

would

> quite likely be up all night cleaning up POO, isn't it better to

> give during the day for this reason? Sorry not trying to be

> critical just trying to understand why, has explained why to

> anybody?

>

> >>>It takes the overnight to work here, pooping starts when awake.

>

>

>

> Is it going through him faster than 6-8 hours then? Tricky dicky.

I dose

> Sam's when I go to bed, lidded cup in his sleep coz thats how I

give him the

> probiotics

>

>

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Where do

you get singulair from? Tom’s not asthmatic but I am and I wouldn’t mind giving

it a try. SARA

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Re: OXYPOWDER - adverse reactions!!!

In a

message dated 08/08/2006 10:56:13 GMT Daylight Time, nikkigoian44714hotmail

writes:

I

noticed you use singular, i have heard of this but don't know what

it is for, would you be happy to explain what it is and why you are

using it for me?

Singulair

is an anti-inflammatory drug used for kids with asthma.It has been tried for

other inflammatory conditions too according toour pharmacistwho used to be

chummy with one of their sales reps! Dr Krigsman uses it for some of his

patients. Dr Usman suggested we should try it with rebecca if our GP and

paediatrician would approve it. They did and we did. Its working well she

definitely has lesspain for sure but not lesslikely to become impacted but IMHO

it does seem to suggest she has some inflammation there which it is probably

helping, or maybe its working on brain inflammation who knows. I like it and

its easy to use and we shall see what Dr K says when we see him.

HTH

Caroline

xxx

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