RE: Re: nothing to do with autism

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Thanks,

and everyone else who wrote about this. This is what I was hoping for –

a way to straighten his toes up (he’s only 3 ½ and probably still quite

bendy!) I’m thinking now that it might have something to do with autism

after all. Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed

arches on a child’s feet – ie failure ot develop which I think is

the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out – I’m

wondering if Tom’s unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps

almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought. What’s NHA?

Sara x

Re: nothing to do with autism

Sara

My daughter had curly toes, curled underneath themselves not sure if

this is something similar. The GP referred us to an NHA chiropodist,

two in fact. One was really helpful and made some moulds to stick

under her toes straightening them out. I've noticed similar ones in

the bettaware catalogue. The other one said it was just aesthetic and

wouldn't cause her any problems in life. When the moulds broke

unfortunately we got the unhelpful chiropodist who wouldn't make new

ones. At the time my daughter was quite self conscious about the

moulds so we let it go. She is 18 now and her toes are pretty ugly

looking but don't hurt or give her a problem with shoes fitting. Still

wish we'd perservered tho

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hi sara, my name is melissa i have just read your email, and wanted to share a different view my son is shane he he has asd and is 6 and has toe walked for years he used to to repetive jumping untill a yaer ago when he learned to skip and dance(well wobble really) shane's toe walking is the result of sensory problems he can't stand the feel of the floor so he walking on toes to avoid touching it although he does not have any problems with his toes they are perfectly straight, to help with the sensory issue we use a infa red hand held massger on his feet for 2 min aday morn and night this seems to help just thought i would share. love melissa Sass and Rem <Moroza-@...> wrote: Thanks, and everyone else who wrote about this. This is what I was hoping for – a way to straighten his toes up (he’s only 3 ½ and probably still quite bendy!) I’m thinking now that it might have something to do with autism after all. Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed arches on a child’s feet – ie failure ot develop which I think is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out – I’m wondering if Tom’s unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps

almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought. What’s NHA? Sara x -----Original Message-----From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of CharmanSent: 27 July 2006 10:34Autism Treatment Subject: Re: nothing to do with autism SaraMy daughter had curly toes, curled underneath themselves not sure if this is something similar. The GP referred us to an NHA chiropodist, two in fact. One was really helpful and made some moulds to stick under her toes straightening them out. I've noticed similar ones in the bettaware catalogue. The other one said it was just aesthetic and wouldn't cause her any problems in life. When the moulds broke unfortunately we got the unhelpful chiropodist who wouldn't make new ones. At the time my daughter was quite self conscious about the moulds so we let it go. She is 18 now and her toes

are pretty ugly looking but don't hurt or give her a problem with shoes fitting. Still wish we'd perservered tho --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006

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We were referred to Orthopaedic Surgeon at Alder Hey Children's Hospital with my 11 year old a few years ago.

He said there was no known reason why a child with autism should toe walk. He said there was nothing physical that should lead to this behaviour. He did say we could try splints to stretch the tendons. The tendons on one of his legs had shortened because he has toe walked for so long. However, the surgeon told us that the likelihood was that my son would toe walk once again when the splints were removed. He did say we could consider surgery at a later date, but again this may not alter the toe walking in the long term. We certainly would not go down that route unless toe walking caused him discomfort or limited his mobility - which it does not at the moment.

We have tried physio, OT, you name it and nothing has worked. We are now trying out prism glasses to see if they help. It is early days but we have seem some improvement when he is wearing them and immediately after he removes them. these alter lower the line of vision which some research has shown can help with toe walking.

Jane

Re: Re: nothing to do with autism

In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time, m.easthope writes:

Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed arches on a child’s feet – ie failure ot develop which I think is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out – I’m wondering if Tom’s unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought.

Sara,

I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This is of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always done so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can prance around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can cause bone deformity then I guess it would be something that we might need to look into further.

I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they need to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his feet as much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate it (just when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea if this is helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol.

Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped surgeon.

All the best,

Darla

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In a message dated 27/07/2006 21:06:36 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Just wanted to add, I have just watched my son walk for about 1/2 a mile around local park with prism glasses on. They are definitely having a positive effect. I am hoping that him walking better will be stretching the tendons and although it will probably hurt at first - should ease off and be more comfortable.

>>>Excellent news Jane - fingers crossed!

Mandi x

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In a message dated 27/07/2006 23:18:22 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

Just if your child toe walks then are they also flat footed? My VB consultant said toe walking is caused by a failure of development of the foot arch! Don’t have any idea if it’s true but thought it was worth asking about.

>>>Sam has little in the way of arches he has never toe walked. My oldest NT did though and at the same time as walking at a quarter to 3 bless him. Feet came in and toe walking stopped when he started wearing shoes

Mandi x

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Just wanted to add, I have just watched my son walk for about 1/2 a mile around local park with prism glasses on. They are definitely having a positive effect. I am hoping that him walking better will be stretching the tendons and although it will probably hurt at first - should ease off and be more comfortable.

Jane

Re: [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: nothing to do with autism> > > > > > In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time, HYPERLINK "mailto:m.easthope@..."m.easthope@... writes:> > Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed arches on a child’s feet â€" ie failure ot develop which I think is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out â€" I’m wondering if Tom’s unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought. > > Sara,> > I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This is of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always done so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can prance around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can cause bone deformity then I guess it would be something that we might need to look into further.> > > > I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they need to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his feet as much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate it (just when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea if this is helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol.> > > > Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped surgeon.> > > > All the best,> > Darla > > > > > > > > > --> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006> > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 26/07/2006>

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I have heard as many reasons for toe walking as their are kids. For us, correcting the vision stopped the toe walking immediately. With the addition of cod liver oil her sideways glancing and toe walking stopped within a week! I think that was the way she could keep her balance as she mostly did this when she ran.

Re: Re: nothing to do with autism In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time, m.easthope@... writes:Tomžs VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed arches on a childžs feet Ý ie failure ot develop which I think is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out Ý Ižm wondering if Tomžs unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought.Sara,I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This is of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always done so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can prance around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can cause bone deformity then I guess it would be something that we might need to look into further. I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they need to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his feet as much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate it (just when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea if this is helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol. Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped surgeon. All the best,Darla --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 26/07/2006

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Hi ,

Apart from the cod liver oil, what did you do to correct her vision ?

Jane

Re: Re: nothing to do with autism In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time, m.easthope writes:Tomžs VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed arches on a childžs feet Ý ie failure ot develop which I think is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made out Ý Ižm wondering if Tomžs unformed arches and repetitive jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a thought.Sara,I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This is of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always done so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can prance around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can cause bone deformity then I guess it would be something that we might need to look into further. I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they need to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his feet as much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate it (just when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea if this is helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol. Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped surgeon. All the best,Darla --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 26/07/2006

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Dam,

thought I was on to something!

Re: Re: nothing to do with

autism

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>

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> 

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> We were referred to Orthopaedic Surgeon at Alder Hey Children's

Hospital with my 11 year old a few years ago.

>

> He said there was no known reason why a child with autism should

toe walk. He said there was nothing physical that should lead to

this behaviour. He did say we could try splints to stretch the

tendons. The tendons on one of his legs had shortened because he

has toe walked for so long. However, the surgeon told us that the

likelihood was that my son would toe walk once again when the

splints were removed. He did say we could consider surgery at a

later date, but again this may not alter the toe walking in the long

term. We certainly would not go down that route unless toe walking

caused him discomfort or limited his mobility - which it does not at

the moment.

>

>

>

> We have tried physio, OT, you name it and nothing has worked. We

are now trying out prism glasses to see if they help. It is early

days but we have seem some improvement when he is wearing them and

immediately after he removes them. these alter lower the line of

vision which some research has shown can help with toe walking.

>

>

>

> Jane

>

> Re: [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] Re: nothing to do with

autism

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>

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> In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time,

HYPERLINK " mailto:m.easthope@... " m.easthope@... writes:

>

> Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of

unformed

arches on a child’s feet †" ie failure ot develop

which I think

is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is commonly made

out †" I’m wondering if Tom’s unformed

arches and repetitive

jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a deformity. Just a

thought.

>

> Sara,

>

> I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the

deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone

surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This is

of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always done

so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can prance

around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can cause bone

deformity then I guess it would be something that we might need to

look into further.

>

>

>

> I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole

inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be

quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they need

to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his feet as

much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate it (just

when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea if this is

helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol.

>

>

>

> Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped

surgeon.

>

>

>

> All the best,

>

> Darla

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>

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Just if

your child toe walks then are they also flat footed? My VB consultant said toe

walking is caused by a failure of development of the foot arch! Don’t have any

idea if it’s true but thought it was worth asking about.

* Re: Re: nothing to do with

autism

>

>

>

> 

>

> We were referred to Orthopaedic Surgeon at Alder Hey Children's

> Hospital with my 11 year old a few years ago.

>

> He said there was no known reason why a child with autism should toe

> walk. He said there was nothing physical that should lead to this

> behaviour. He did say we could try splints to stretch the tendons.

> The tendons on one of his legs had shortened because he has toe walked

> for so long. However, the surgeon told us that the likelihood was

> that my son would toe walk once again when the splints were removed.

> He did say we could consider surgery at a later date, but again this

> may not alter the toe walking in the long term. We certainly would

> not go down that route unless toe walking caused him discomfort or

> limited his mobility - which it does not at the moment.

>

>

>

> We have tried physio, OT, you name it and nothing has worked. We are

> now trying out prism glasses to see if they help. It is early days

> but we have seem some improvement when he is wearing them and

> immediately after he removes them. these alter lower the line of

> vision which some research has shown can help with toe walking.

>

>

>

> Jane

>

> * Re: Re: nothing to do with

> autism

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 27/07/2006 13:27:40 GMT Standard Time,

> m.easthope

<mailto:m.easthope >

writes:

>

> Tom’s VB consultant said toe walking is the result of unformed

> arches on a child’s feet – ie failure ot develop which I think

> is the definition of autism and not some mystery as is

> commonly made out – I’m wondering if Tom’s unformed arches and

> repetitive jumping (he jumps almost non-stop) are causing a

> deformity. Just a thought.

>

> Sara,

>

> I've heard this as well. I can ask my brother in law about the

> deformity being caused by toe-walking. He's a pediatric bone

> surgeon and he does lots of work on toes and finger bones. This

> is of interest to me because toe-walks a lot (and has always

> done so) he refuses to wear any shoes with hard soles so he can

> prance around like a ballerina in his soft sole shoes. If it can

> cause bone deformity then I guess it would be something that we

> might need to look into further.

>

>

>

> I have on my *infinite list of things to do* to look into the sole

> inserts for the unformed arches. I have heard that this can be

> quite helpful as well in providing the sensory input that they

> need to help the problem. We do deep massage on the bottom of his

> feet as much as I can remember to do it and when he can tolerate

> it (just when playing in the house or whatever). I have no idea

> if this is helpful but hey, it makes me feel better, lol.

>

>

>

> Will let you know if I find anything interesting from the ped surgeon.

>

>

>

> All the best,

>

> Darla

>

>

>

>

>

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