Re: Stevia/Splenda & Meal Planning

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The key to the calorie thing is your activity level and lean mass. If

someone who was overweight and sedentary becomes lean and muscular and

starts training hours a day, their new calorie requirements may be

even higher than what made them fat the first time around. That's the

difference between athletes and dieters. The dieters are doomed to

keep eating less and less as their weight drops. Athletes have muscles

to feed and workouts to fuel. I now maintain on about 800 calories a

day more than I did in my pre-BFL days. It was a very gradual change

over a period of years though.

On 8/30/05, nel82105 <no_reply > wrote:

> Aimee did you start out as skinny-fat or as a smaller woman who needs

> to gain weight? Most women who need to lose fat, even when they start

> working out aggressively, rarely need to eat " more " calories. Most

> just maintain their previous calorie level and drizzle down from

> there. Maybe someone else can shed more insight on this. I could be

> wrong. With me, I may be eating more often, but I'm sure I won't be

> eating more food or calories than previously. lol

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Hi Skwigg, if someone is very overweight by 50-100 pounds, and they

require 3000-3500 calories to maintain that extra fat. Are you saying

that as their lean mass and activity level increases they will

need " more " calories than that? I've read that very overweight people

lose a little lean mass in the beginning simply because they aren't

carrying as much weight, and may be able to loe fat on the same

calories, but I didn't think they would need " more " calories after

losing that much extra fat. This is very interesting to me. Can you go

in to more detail for me so that I fully understand how it works?

[Guest guest]

> Aimee did you start out as skinny-fat or as a smaller woman who needs

> to gain weight? Most women who need to lose fat, even when they start

> working out aggressively, rarely need to eat " more " calories. Most

> just maintain their previous calorie level and drizzle down from

> there. Maybe someone else can shed more insight on this. I could be

> wrong. With me, I may be eating more often, but I'm sure I won't be

> eating more food or calories than previously. lol

I'm with Aimee in that I'm eating more. Not more calories, just more

*food*. The difference is that the food I'm eating now is less

calorie dense than the food I was eating before. With some foods my

portions are far larger now than they were before(vegetables, fresh

fruit, lean meat), and in others, far smaller (processed foods and

grains). With regards to expense, it costs more now. Before: cheap

white rice. Now: expensive protein powder. Before: cheap white

bread toast and jam.. Now: cheap oatmeal but expensive fresh

berries. Lean custs of meat are more expensive than the fatty cuts,

and so forth. I don't see my portions becoming substatially smaller

in the future either. I've read these boards long enough to see that

most people who are at goal and maintaining and working out regularly

are eating quite well - they aren't existing on small portions.

Scout

[Guest guest]

Isn't that the truth? I did my UBWO in the morning, and then later in the

evening ran 3 miles yesterday, by the time I got home I was STARVING!! I

eat so much more now on BFL than I use to. It takes more to keep me going

with all the exercise, and my daily life.

Pam

--- " Aimee M. Rasch " <fuzzyelf@...> wrote:

> Actually, the more I work out, the more i seem to eat...smaller portions

>

> - not for me..yet

>

> nel82105 wrote:

> > Stasia I wish my family members were like yours. I have lots of

> > testosterone here in the house, and they will eat anything which is

> > non-poisonous(sp?). lol

> >

> > Aimee the computer list is a good idea. Right now I have a paper

> > notebook where I log everything. I'm thinking about starting an

> > online journal(just searching for a user friendly one), so I may

> > also start logging things on the computer for convenience. I also

> > agree with you 100%...healthy food shouldn't be so much more

> > expensive. Fortunately, the healthier we become, the smaller our

> > portion sizes will be, so things balance out in the end.

> >

> > I hope the one shelf, one cabinet plan works in your

> > household as well. Hopefully you won't get the pouting and attitude

> > I experienced initially. If so, don't worry, things will be fine.

> >

> > DeDe thank you for the answers and advice regarding my questions.

> > Also, Val and Moosemama, I appreciate your support concerning my

> > shelf/fridge arrangement. It felt somewhat selfish in the beginning,

> > but eventually my improved health will benefit the entire

> > household.

> >

> > It feels good to finally put myself first sometimes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Yeah, I've questioned that, too. Plus, there have been occasions

when I've had to workout in the evening after work (so not on an

empty stomach), and I actually find that I have more focus, lift

heavier weights. I think if I were seriously focusing on building

muscle and not losing fat, I might tweek my routine a bit just to

see what would happen.

DeDe

> > Here's my $0.02...

> >

> >

> >

> >>1. Roughly how much can " one " person expect to spend monthly for

> >

> > food

> >

> >>on BFL?(just an estimate)

> >

> >

> > I spend about $100-150 a week for just me, but that's because

I'm a

> > total sloth and buy a LOT of convenience stuff. For example, I

> > think I reached the height of laziness last Friday when I

actually

> > bought a case of alreay hard-boiled eggs. Yes, that's right. 6

> > dozen eggs already hard-boiled and ready to eat, less the yolk,

of

> > course. I'd probably be embarrased if I weren't so busy trying

to

> > figure out how I'm going to use them all before they go bad. LOL

> >

> >

> >

> >>2. Should I purchase Stevia or Splenda?

> >

> >

> > I prefer Splenda, don't care for the taste of Stevia, and don't

> > really concern myself with the badness of chemicals.

> >

> >

> >>3. How long is the shelf life for olive oil " after " it has been

> >>opened? Should it be refrigerated after opening?

> >

> >

> > I've never refrigerated it. I think when it starts to go bad,

it

> > will smell rancid. Unless it's indicated on the product label,

you

> > don't " refrigerate after opening. "

> >

> >

> >>4. Which type of Quaker Oats Oatmeal should I buy? Regular, five

> >>minutes, instant, ect?

> >

> >

> > Definitely regular. It's cheaper, besides.

> >

> >

> >>5. Should I eat certain foods before and after cardio and weight

> >>training days? How long should I wait to eat before and after

> >

> > workouts?

> >

> > I don't eat anything before my workouts (which are in the

morning,

> > so that's easy), and I wait 1 hour afterward to eat Meal 1. I

know

> > there are certain things that are better to eat following cardio

and

> > weight-lifting, but I don't usually think about that. I just

eat my

> > usual thing (cottage cheese with fruit and some almonds or

oatmeal

> > with cottage cheese and sugar-free flavoured syrup).

> >

> >

> >>6. Salad dressing usually has too much sugar for me. What do all

> >

> > of

> >

> >>you use to mix your tuna?

> >

> >

> > My favourite is tomato paste. It's so flavourful, has a thick

and

> > almost creamy consistency, and is an easy way to sneek in a

veggie.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > DeDe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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nel82105 <no_reply > wrote:

Hi Ladies, I have a few questions before grocery shopping tomorrow.

1. Roughly how much can " one " person expect to spend monthly for food

on BFL?(just an estimate)

I do a family of 4 on about 150.00 weekly.

2. Should I purchase Stevia or Splenda?

Personally... neither. I hate artificial sweetner, and my weakness is diet

Coke.

3. How long is the shelf life for olive oil " after " it has been

opened? Should it be refrigerated after opening?

Nope. Indefinite shelf life. I find I run through a good size bottle about

quarterly.

4. Which type of Quaker Oats Oatmeal should I buy? Regular, five

minutes, instant, ect?

I love regular and I get the kind that is toasted. I think it tastes better.

5. Should I eat certain foods before and after cardio and weight

training days? How long should I wait to eat before and after workouts?

I'm not the one to ask about that... way too detailed for me. I just go with

something the book says, and since I don't work out first thing in the morning.

I eat before working out and after.

6. Salad dressing usually has too much sugar for me. What do all of

you use to mix your tuna?

Salsa! I love that stuff. It really gives the tuna a nice zip and if I stuff

it into a tomato with a bed of lettuce and have an apple. That's 3 veggies, and

a carb and protein. Pretty good, I think.

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nel82105 <no_reply > wrote:

Hi Ladies, I have a few questions before grocery shopping tomorrow.

1. Roughly how much can " one " person expect to spend monthly for food

on BFL?(just an estimate)

I do a family of 4 on about 150.00 weekly.

2. Should I purchase Stevia or Splenda?

Personally... neither. I hate artificial sweetner, and my weakness is diet

Coke.

3. How long is the shelf life for olive oil " after " it has been

opened? Should it be refrigerated after opening?

Nope. Indefinite shelf life. I find I run through a good size bottle about

quarterly.

4. Which type of Quaker Oats Oatmeal should I buy? Regular, five

minutes, instant, ect?

I love regular and I get the kind that is toasted. I think it tastes better.

5. Should I eat certain foods before and after cardio and weight

training days? How long should I wait to eat before and after workouts?

I'm not the one to ask about that... way too detailed for me. I just go with

something the book says, and since I don't work out first thing in the morning.

I eat before working out and after.

6. Salad dressing usually has too much sugar for me. What do all of

you use to mix your tuna?

Salsa! I love that stuff. It really gives the tuna a nice zip and if I stuff

it into a tomato with a bed of lettuce and have an apple. That's 3 veggies, and

a carb and protein. Pretty good, I think.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing this with me Grace.

[Guest guest]

It would depend on where you were coming from with your weight and

your food issues. If someone were 100 pounds overweight from consuming

thousands of calories a day more than they need, of course they're

probably never going back to that calorie level again. A lot of women

are chronic dieters with messed up metabolisms though. Maybe they're

180 pounds, 35% body fat, totally sedentary and barely maintaining

(definitely not losing) on 1,800 calories a day. Fast forward a year

to when they're 145 pounds, 14% body fat, sporting the same lean mass,

and exercising for 1-2 hours most days. Now maybe they would be losing

weight on 1,800 calories a day and need more like 2,000+ calories to

maintain.

That's just an example. Probably the closer someone is to a normal

weight, the more sedentary they are, and the more chronic their

dieting over the years, the more likely they are to need *more* food

than when they began.

There was a time when I had my metabolism so messed up, I couldn't eat

more than 800 calories a day without rapidly gaining. And then there

were many, many years when I was sort of pudgy, not quite active

enough, and figured I'd never be eating more than 1,500 calories a

day, EVER. I scoffed at those government recommendations that said

women should have 2,000 calories a day. Now, I'm able to eat around

2,300 a day with no problem.

Let me know if my examples cleared anything up or made it more

confusing than ever. :-)

On 8/30/05, nel82105 <no_reply > wrote:

> Hi Skwigg, if someone is very overweight by 50-100 pounds, and they

> require 3000-3500 calories to maintain that extra fat. Are you saying

> that as their lean mass and activity level increases they will

> need " more " calories than that? I've read that very overweight people

> lose a little lean mass in the beginning simply because they aren't

> carrying as much weight, and may be able to loe fat on the same

> calories, but I didn't think they would need " more " calories after

> losing that much extra fat. This is very interesting to me. Can you go

> in to more detail for me so that I fully understand how it works?

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for taking the time to explain all of this for me.

Yes, I do have a better understanding now. Although there are basic

guidelines, I now understand how other factors may require tweaking

and adjustments for " individuals " along the way. Sometimes I feel like

I'm in school as much as I'm learning. lol

[Guest guest]

I'm 5 ft tall and was up to 130 - for me that was alot - i was always

99-110 at most...I could eat whatever I wanted. it was lovely. then I

turned 30...yuk. Anyway, I probably didn't eat enough before. In fact

here's my old menu:

Breakfast - none

Lunch - Ramen noodles, Coke

Dinner - Pizza, Coke

Snack - coffee ice cream, Coke

Now I feel like I'm eating up the world....

nel82105 wrote:

> Aimee did you start out as skinny-fat or as a smaller woman who needs

> to gain weight? Most women who need to lose fat, even when they start

> working out aggressively, rarely need to eat " more " calories. Most

> just maintain their previous calorie level and drizzle down from

> there. Maybe someone else can shed more insight on this. I could be

> wrong. With me, I may be eating more often, but I'm sure I won't be

> eating more food or calories than previously. lol

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:46 am, Aimee M. Rasch wrote:

> I'm 5 ft tall and was up to 130 - for me that was alot - i was always

> 99-110 at most...I could eat whatever I wanted. it was lovely. then I

> turned 30...yuk. Anyway, I probably didn't eat enough before. In fact

> here's my old menu:

> Breakfast - none

> Lunch - Ramen noodles, Coke

> Dinner - Pizza, Coke

> Snack - coffee ice cream, Coke

> Now I feel like I'm eating up the world....

I couldn't agree with you more. When I turned 34 it all changed.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Aimee, now I understand. I suspected you were probably tiny to

begin with, or didn't eat much food in the past. Girl, you scared me

for a moment. The thought of my food intake increasing at ANY weight

and activity level was frightening. lol

Your previous meals didn't include any protein. My guess is that

you'll probably gain scale weight(due to building muscle), and appear

smaller, or maintain the same weight and dress size after you've

reached your goal, but look amazingly fitter, shapelier, and defined.

I saw a picture of a woman who started off pretty much your size at

123 lbs. After a year she weight 125 but looked like a completely

different woman. I know your muscles and cells are loving you for

eating more quality foods.

[Guest guest]

sorry for the scare, girl!

nel82105 wrote:

> Hi Aimee, now I understand. I suspected you were probably tiny to

> begin with, or didn't eat much food in the past. Girl, you scared me

> for a moment. The thought of my food intake increasing at ANY weight

> and activity level was frightening. lol

>

> Your previous meals didn't include any protein. My guess is that

> you'll probably gain scale weight(due to building muscle), and appear

> smaller, or maintain the same weight and dress size after you've

> reached your goal, but look amazingly fitter, shapelier, and defined.

>

> I saw a picture of a woman who started off pretty much your size at

> 123 lbs. After a year she weight 125 but looked like a completely

> different woman. I know your muscles and cells are loving you for

> eating more quality foods.

>

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