RE: Re: Citron Tincture (Was: tinctures)

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ankhefenpaaten wrote:

> Anya wrote:

>

>> It's fabulous that you have a citron tincture, you're lucky!

>> Arctander says that the true oil is not longer produced, that it

>> disappeared from the industry in the early 20th Century.

>>

>

> We all could have Citron tincture if we're willing to spend the money

> for a gift box of 3 fresh Citron " Etrogs "

>

Hi :

According to Arctander, it's not the Etrog variety that was used in

perfumery , it was Bajoura. I'll bet the scent was quite different from

that of the Etrog.

>

>> I'd try to " fix " the tincture first, perhaps with a bit of araucaria oil

>>

>> or copaiba. I'd make a " sheer " dilution of one of them, maybe 30%,

>>

> and then add it bit by bit, drop by drop until it was barely perceptible, then

stop.

>

>

> Why the need to " fix " a tincture? Would not the tincture's alcohol

> be enough? I am curious to know why you chose either araucaria

> oil or copaiba to fix Citron as opposed to other materials?

>

> Mark

Citrus tinctures can be very volatile and fleeting, so a tiny bit of

fixation could be good. Araucaria and copaiba are often paired in

light-scented accords to fix them, since they are innoffensive and have

good fixation properties.

--

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ankhefenpaaten wrote:

> Anya wrote:

>

>> It's fabulous that you have a citron tincture, you're lucky!

>> Arctander says that the true oil is not longer produced, that it

>> disappeared from the industry in the early 20th Century.

>>

>

> We all could have Citron tincture if we're willing to spend the money

> for a gift box of 3 fresh Citron " Etrogs "

>

Hi :

According to Arctander, it's not the Etrog variety that was used in

perfumery , it was Bajoura. I'll bet the scent was quite different from

that of the Etrog.

>

>> I'd try to " fix " the tincture first, perhaps with a bit of araucaria oil

>>

>> or copaiba. I'd make a " sheer " dilution of one of them, maybe 30%,

>>

> and then add it bit by bit, drop by drop until it was barely perceptible, then

stop.

>

>

> Why the need to " fix " a tincture? Would not the tincture's alcohol

> be enough? I am curious to know why you chose either araucaria

> oil or copaiba to fix Citron as opposed to other materials?

>

> Mark

Citrus tinctures can be very volatile and fleeting, so a tiny bit of

fixation could be good. Araucaria and copaiba are often paired in

light-scented accords to fix them, since they are innoffensive and have

good fixation properties.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

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Anya <anya@...> wrote: ankhefenpaaten wrote:

> Anya wrote:

>

>> It's fabulous that you have a citron tincture, you're lucky!

>> Arctander says that the true oil is not longer produced, that it

>> disappeared from the industry in the early 20th Century.

Citrus tinctures can be very volatile and fleeting, so a tiny bit of

fixation could be good. Araucaria and copaiba are often paired in

light-scented accords to fix them, since they are innoffensive and have

good fixation properties.

Sincerely, Anya

Hi Anya,

I used Citron Etrog and was told Citron was a big cash crop in Puerto Rico used

in perfume and the alcohol industry, ie Absolute Vodka Citron. The Citron that

is my all time favorite is called " Buddha Fingers " ($5.50 a lb.Berkeley Bowl)

because it has a lot of little finger like growths which yields much peel and

completely scents your house incredible!!

I also used our local jasmine polydorous and infused the blossoms in Sweet

Almond oil with maybe three to five changes. Comes out really potent. I use it

for muscle pains blends. The tended ones smell better then the ones that they

let go wild.

Sorry I will send the blend I made from Citron Etrog for my son and 4 grandsons

for last years Christmas. It smelled nice although I think someone said it

reminded them of Mennen's after shave. I got Citron Etrog from the market,

chopped up the peels then put it in 150 Everclear and also in Jojoiba oil. I

used the alcohol blend but made some of it from blends that I had already mixed

ahead like three EO's approximately. For me I used the Jojoiba and added EO's

one 3 in one blend. The fragrance held and it is still nice as a stand alone.

Sorry I haven't graduated to the 190 proof real perfumer yet, just tincturing

around.

If you are intersted there is a manufacture of Grape alcohol in Fresno I think

the name is ni ? farms and belongs to a collective of organic farmers

called Ecological Farmers Association, ville, CA.. You can find them if

you do a search from the EFA site. They sell organic grape 190 proof but in a

huge quantity, so would be good for a group buy. That brings up storage

evaporation issues for me. They also make brandy and wine.

When I find the recipe I'll publish it here. I do like to wear tinctures as in

Berkeley there are all these folks who don't want to smell perfumes as they have

allergies. A bonus is when the flower rose smells come out of your heart (that

is what I get for using them as deodorants too. They come through the lymph in

your armpits I guess. Well that might be a little scary to some. I have had a

rough time with back and neck injuries and my Mom and Dad dying this past two

years (mom passed this July) she was such a sweetheart.

I love the concentrated focus and investigations of this group. Ok Ok I'll get

it together and make some real perfume before this time next year. Boy was that

so long winded.

Thanks

Yours in fragrance

Bb

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Anya <anya@...> wrote: ankhefenpaaten wrote:

> Anya wrote:

>

>> It's fabulous that you have a citron tincture, you're lucky!

>> Arctander says that the true oil is not longer produced, that it

>> disappeared from the industry in the early 20th Century.

Citrus tinctures can be very volatile and fleeting, so a tiny bit of

fixation could be good. Araucaria and copaiba are often paired in

light-scented accords to fix them, since they are innoffensive and have

good fixation properties.

Sincerely, Anya

Hi Anya,

I used Citron Etrog and was told Citron was a big cash crop in Puerto Rico used

in perfume and the alcohol industry, ie Absolute Vodka Citron. The Citron that

is my all time favorite is called " Buddha Fingers " ($5.50 a lb.Berkeley Bowl)

because it has a lot of little finger like growths which yields much peel and

completely scents your house incredible!!

I also used our local jasmine polydorous and infused the blossoms in Sweet

Almond oil with maybe three to five changes. Comes out really potent. I use it

for muscle pains blends. The tended ones smell better then the ones that they

let go wild.

Sorry I will send the blend I made from Citron Etrog for my son and 4 grandsons

for last years Christmas. It smelled nice although I think someone said it

reminded them of Mennen's after shave. I got Citron Etrog from the market,

chopped up the peels then put it in 150 Everclear and also in Jojoiba oil. I

used the alcohol blend but made some of it from blends that I had already mixed

ahead like three EO's approximately. For me I used the Jojoiba and added EO's

one 3 in one blend. The fragrance held and it is still nice as a stand alone.

Sorry I haven't graduated to the 190 proof real perfumer yet, just tincturing

around.

If you are intersted there is a manufacture of Grape alcohol in Fresno I think

the name is ni ? farms and belongs to a collective of organic farmers

called Ecological Farmers Association, ville, CA.. You can find them if

you do a search from the EFA site. They sell organic grape 190 proof but in a

huge quantity, so would be good for a group buy. That brings up storage

evaporation issues for me. They also make brandy and wine.

When I find the recipe I'll publish it here. I do like to wear tinctures as in

Berkeley there are all these folks who don't want to smell perfumes as they have

allergies. A bonus is when the flower rose smells come out of your heart (that

is what I get for using them as deodorants too. They come through the lymph in

your armpits I guess. Well that might be a little scary to some. I have had a

rough time with back and neck injuries and my Mom and Dad dying this past two

years (mom passed this July) she was such a sweetheart.

I love the concentrated focus and investigations of this group. Ok Ok I'll get

it together and make some real perfume before this time next year. Boy was that

so long winded.

Thanks

Yours in fragrance

Bb

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Anya wrote:

>According to Arctander, it's not the Etrog variety that was used in

>perfumery , it was Bajoura. I'll bet the scent was quite different from

>that of the Etrog.

Did a little research and you are right. The subspecies Citrus medica

bajoura seems to be the variety that was used. Its common English name is

" Musk Citron " and with a name like that it probably does smell quite

different from the Etrog.

Mark

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--- Anya <anya@...> wrote:

> Patty, it should still be wonderful for its scent.

> One Etrog can scent a

> room, it's so powerful. The reason it's not fruiting

> may be 1. It's

> still too young. 2. It might not be the time of

> year for it to really

> bloom/fruit. You may just be seeing a little

> off-season flush.

>

> I know it's very exciting to have little citrus

> trees bearing, but

> truthfully, it's healthier to take the little fruits

> off until the tree

> is older. Do you know how old your trees are? Maybe

> they're old enough.

>

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

> Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume

> http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic aromatics

> and artisan perfumes,

> perfumery classes and consultation

> Natural Perfumers Guild

> http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

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Oops. I think they are quite young, although I don't

know how old they were when I bought them from the

nursery. I planted them a little over a year ago. How

many years should I discourage the fruit?

Well,a horticulturist I'm not. Give me time and I'll

kill them all.

Thanks!

Patty

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West wrote:

> --- Anya <anya@...> wrote:

I know it's very exciting to have little citrus

> trees bearing, but

> truthfully, it's healthier to take the little fruits

> off until the tree

> is older. Do you know how old your trees are? Maybe

> they're old enough.

>

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

> Oops. I think they are quite young, although I don't

> know how old they were when I bought them from the

> nursery. I planted them a little over a year ago. How

> many years should I discourage the fruit?

>

> Well,a horticulturist I'm not. Give me time and I'll

> kill them all.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Patty

A lot of nurseries sell little 3-gallon pots and they're usually two

years old. Do you know what size the pot was? If the tree was under

three feet tall (a meter or so) it's safe to say it's under two years

old, probably a year old. Can you call the nursery? A good rule of thumb

is to wait five years. Yeah, I know, a drag, but it really gets them set

for life. A hort professor once said allowing them to fruit early is

like a 10-year-old girl have a baby. A huge strain on a young biological

system.

On the other hand, I'm thinking that maybe since you're not " in

production " and wanting a long-term yield like a farmer would, enjoy

them. If they start to falter in a few years, just replace them with a

bigger, older tree. If ripening fruit seems to be getting too big for a

branch to support, remove the fruit, otherwise it might split the

branch, which could lead to infection.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

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West wrote:

> --- Anya <anya@...> wrote:

I know it's very exciting to have little citrus

> trees bearing, but

> truthfully, it's healthier to take the little fruits

> off until the tree

> is older. Do you know how old your trees are? Maybe

> they're old enough.

>

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

> Oops. I think they are quite young, although I don't

> know how old they were when I bought them from the

> nursery. I planted them a little over a year ago. How

> many years should I discourage the fruit?

>

> Well,a horticulturist I'm not. Give me time and I'll

> kill them all.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Patty

A lot of nurseries sell little 3-gallon pots and they're usually two

years old. Do you know what size the pot was? If the tree was under

three feet tall (a meter or so) it's safe to say it's under two years

old, probably a year old. Can you call the nursery? A good rule of thumb

is to wait five years. Yeah, I know, a drag, but it really gets them set

for life. A hort professor once said allowing them to fruit early is

like a 10-year-old girl have a baby. A huge strain on a young biological

system.

On the other hand, I'm thinking that maybe since you're not " in

production " and wanting a long-term yield like a farmer would, enjoy

them. If they start to falter in a few years, just replace them with a

bigger, older tree. If ripening fruit seems to be getting too big for a

branch to support, remove the fruit, otherwise it might split the

branch, which could lead to infection.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

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--- Anya <anya@...> wrote:

>

> On the other hand, I'm thinking that maybe since

> you're not " in

> production " and wanting a long-term yield like a

> farmer would, enjoy

> them. If they start to falter in a few years, just

> replace them with a

> bigger, older tree. If ripening fruit seems to be

> getting too big for a

> branch to support, remove the fruit, otherwise it

> might split the

> branch, which could lead to infection.

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

> Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume

> http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic aromatics

> and artisan perfumes,

> perfumery classes and consultation

> Natural Perfumers Guild

> http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

*****************************************

Great! Thanks so much for the advice Anya. You're an

amazing fountain of knowledge! Cheers!

Patty

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