Re: Natural perfumery in the UK (and in the world)

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Isabelle Gelle <igelle@...> wrote: Dear Natural perfumers,

As anyone from the UK heard of 'B never too busy to be beautiful'

stores (http://tinyurl.com/2p9b8m), a subsidiary of Lush?

They say their fragrances are natural. I got a set of their samples 2

weeks ago and although they did a good job with some of the smells, I

don't think they are natural essential oils but natural 'fragrances'.

One of their fragrances called 'dear ' is labelled as follows:

'DRF Alcohol , Perfume , Cedarwood Oil (Cedrus atlantica) , Vetivert

Oil (Vetiveria zizanoides) , Coriander Oil (Coriandrum sativum) ,

Clove Bud Oil (Eugenia caryophyllus) , *Benzyl Alcohol , *Benzyl

Salicylate , *Eugenol , *Geraniol , *Citral , *Isoeugenol , *Benzyl

Benzoate , *Farnesol , *Limonene , *Linalool

* Occurs naturally in essential oils.'

What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

ingredients?

I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found out

that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from fruit

juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

I am aware that the public is confused with the term 'natural' and

the trend is growing so much that you see the term on every possible

product. I only work with essential oils for my perfumes and I would

be interested to know what you all make out of this. Has anyone got

more details about those 'natural' extracts and fragrances?

The NP trend is definitely growing and the major commercial perfumers

houses are very aware that this new competition is affecting them.

The difference between us and them is they spend 80% in marketing and

are not so interested in ensuring people get a natural fragrance.

I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and many

GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

Isabelle

Hi Isabelle

Great to see you posting.... you have obviously been very busy.. .....

Lush's fragrances have me full of the ??????.. I have looked at their perfumes

before...

if you google ''what is' .... you will find out that many are isolates coming

from the natural.... but to me they are not in their natural state ie in the

plant but taken from... so I would not use them... just researching them made me

feel very strange and uncomfortable...... check it out for yourself and of

course one has to make ones own decision on the ethics of their business.... I

for one... wouldn't touch them ...

good point about the money spent on the marketing side of things... I have

always thought that and in the end the perfume ends up being made as cheaply as

possible because the businesses overheads are collossol and they have to get

their money back somehow.

yes, such growth in this 'natural' area so quite right to point out the very

broad description of what determines etc....... so again be very vigilant...

again thank goodness for this group ... to soundboard.

I am very fascinated by the natural fruit extracts and interested.... and read

anything that comes my way about this.

Hope this finds you well .... and a very merry christmas and new year to you

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

Isabelle Gelle <igelle@...> wrote: Dear Natural perfumers,

As anyone from the UK heard of 'B never too busy to be beautiful'

stores (http://tinyurl.com/2p9b8m), a subsidiary of Lush?

They say their fragrances are natural. I got a set of their samples 2

weeks ago and although they did a good job with some of the smells, I

don't think they are natural essential oils but natural 'fragrances'.

One of their fragrances called 'dear ' is labelled as follows:

'DRF Alcohol , Perfume , Cedarwood Oil (Cedrus atlantica) , Vetivert

Oil (Vetiveria zizanoides) , Coriander Oil (Coriandrum sativum) ,

Clove Bud Oil (Eugenia caryophyllus) , *Benzyl Alcohol , *Benzyl

Salicylate , *Eugenol , *Geraniol , *Citral , *Isoeugenol , *Benzyl

Benzoate , *Farnesol , *Limonene , *Linalool

* Occurs naturally in essential oils.'

What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

ingredients?

I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found out

that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from fruit

juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

I am aware that the public is confused with the term 'natural' and

the trend is growing so much that you see the term on every possible

product. I only work with essential oils for my perfumes and I would

be interested to know what you all make out of this. Has anyone got

more details about those 'natural' extracts and fragrances?

The NP trend is definitely growing and the major commercial perfumers

houses are very aware that this new competition is affecting them.

The difference between us and them is they spend 80% in marketing and

are not so interested in ensuring people get a natural fragrance.

I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and many

GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

Isabelle

Hi Isabelle

Great to see you posting.... you have obviously been very busy.. .....

Lush's fragrances have me full of the ??????.. I have looked at their perfumes

before...

if you google ''what is' .... you will find out that many are isolates coming

from the natural.... but to me they are not in their natural state ie in the

plant but taken from... so I would not use them... just researching them made me

feel very strange and uncomfortable...... check it out for yourself and of

course one has to make ones own decision on the ethics of their business.... I

for one... wouldn't touch them ...

good point about the money spent on the marketing side of things... I have

always thought that and in the end the perfume ends up being made as cheaply as

possible because the businesses overheads are collossol and they have to get

their money back somehow.

yes, such growth in this 'natural' area so quite right to point out the very

broad description of what determines etc....... so again be very vigilant...

again thank goodness for this group ... to soundboard.

I am very fascinated by the natural fruit extracts and interested.... and read

anything that comes my way about this.

Hope this finds you well .... and a very merry christmas and new year to you

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

---------------------------------

Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

[Guest guest]

Isabelle Gelle wrote:

> Dear Natural perfumers,

>

> As anyone from the UK heard of 'B never too busy to be beautiful'

> stores (http://tinyurl.com/2p9b8m), a subsidiary of Lush?

> They say their fragrances are natural. I got a set of their samples 2

> weeks ago and although they did a good job with some of the smells, I

> don't think they are natural essential oils but natural 'fragrances'.

> One of their fragrances called 'dear ' is labelled as follows:

>

> 'DRF Alcohol , Perfume , Cedarwood Oil (Cedrus atlantica) , Vetivert

> Oil (Vetiveria zizanoides) , Coriander Oil (Coriandrum sativum) ,

> Clove Bud Oil (Eugenia caryophyllus) , *Benzyl Alcohol , *Benzyl

> Salicylate , *Eugenol , *Geraniol , *Citral , *Isoeugenol , *Benzyl

> Benzoate , *Farnesol , *Limonene , *Linalool

>

> * Occurs naturally in essential oils.'

>

Hi Isabelle

EU regs require that sort of label which shows the perfume contains some

chems that are found naturally, yet believed to be sensitizers or

phototoxic, are mentioned on the label.

Lush is not known for its natural essences, and they may be boosting the

" natural " perfume with isolates or even aromachemical versions of say,

naturally-occurring linalool. They may be using synth linalool for more

of a " nose punch " as I am now starting to call them :-P

> What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

> ingredients?

>

Benzyl salicylate (note spelling) is a naturally occurring chemical

element found in neroli, jasmine and ylang ylang, but it is widely

synthesized, used to extend and fix perfumes.

> I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found out

> that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from fruit

> juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

>

Please share more info on this.

> I am aware that the public is confused with the term 'natural' and

> the trend is growing so much that you see the term on every possible

> product. I only work with essential oils for my perfumes and I would

> be interested to know what you all make out of this. Has anyone got

> more details about those 'natural' extracts and fragrances?

>

What do you mean by more details? This is a vast and complex subject, so

it could make up a chapter in a book, which I'm sure you don't want (and

I can't write) here, LOL!

> The NP trend is definitely growing and the major commercial perfumers

> houses are very aware that this new competition is affecting them.

> The difference between us and them is they spend 80% in marketing and

> are not so interested in ensuring people get a natural fragrance.

>

For that very reason we have to work to differentiate ourselves, our

art, our aesthetic, our hand-crafted perfumes, from them. Many people

*do* know the difference and will always seek out a hand-made product.

More are becoming aware of what we create more and more every day.

> Anya mentioned in one of her threads that we should go out there and

> promote Natural perfumery more. I do agree with this but I also think

> that as Natural perfumers using only pure essential oils, we should

> reflect it in our prices. Natural perfumes should be a

> real 'luxurious treat' just like travelling in a private jet. I found

> that we practice more or less the same prices as commercial perfumers

> to sell 'our work of art' and this is why the consumers - except

> those aware ones - still tend to reach for the easier more available

> synthetic commercial perfumes.

>

We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need

to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

> I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

>

> I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and many

> GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

Well, I certainly second your enthusiastic well-wishing, and say hi to

Celia for me with those wishes, also!

Hey, give more of a report on the presentation you two made in October.

Always wanting to hear more details :-)

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

[Guest guest]

Isabelle Gelle wrote:

> Dear Natural perfumers,

>

> As anyone from the UK heard of 'B never too busy to be beautiful'

> stores (http://tinyurl.com/2p9b8m), a subsidiary of Lush?

> They say their fragrances are natural. I got a set of their samples 2

> weeks ago and although they did a good job with some of the smells, I

> don't think they are natural essential oils but natural 'fragrances'.

> One of their fragrances called 'dear ' is labelled as follows:

>

> 'DRF Alcohol , Perfume , Cedarwood Oil (Cedrus atlantica) , Vetivert

> Oil (Vetiveria zizanoides) , Coriander Oil (Coriandrum sativum) ,

> Clove Bud Oil (Eugenia caryophyllus) , *Benzyl Alcohol , *Benzyl

> Salicylate , *Eugenol , *Geraniol , *Citral , *Isoeugenol , *Benzyl

> Benzoate , *Farnesol , *Limonene , *Linalool

>

> * Occurs naturally in essential oils.'

>

Hi Isabelle

EU regs require that sort of label which shows the perfume contains some

chems that are found naturally, yet believed to be sensitizers or

phototoxic, are mentioned on the label.

Lush is not known for its natural essences, and they may be boosting the

" natural " perfume with isolates or even aromachemical versions of say,

naturally-occurring linalool. They may be using synth linalool for more

of a " nose punch " as I am now starting to call them :-P

> What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

> ingredients?

>

Benzyl salicylate (note spelling) is a naturally occurring chemical

element found in neroli, jasmine and ylang ylang, but it is widely

synthesized, used to extend and fix perfumes.

> I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found out

> that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from fruit

> juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

>

Please share more info on this.

> I am aware that the public is confused with the term 'natural' and

> the trend is growing so much that you see the term on every possible

> product. I only work with essential oils for my perfumes and I would

> be interested to know what you all make out of this. Has anyone got

> more details about those 'natural' extracts and fragrances?

>

What do you mean by more details? This is a vast and complex subject, so

it could make up a chapter in a book, which I'm sure you don't want (and

I can't write) here, LOL!

> The NP trend is definitely growing and the major commercial perfumers

> houses are very aware that this new competition is affecting them.

> The difference between us and them is they spend 80% in marketing and

> are not so interested in ensuring people get a natural fragrance.

>

For that very reason we have to work to differentiate ourselves, our

art, our aesthetic, our hand-crafted perfumes, from them. Many people

*do* know the difference and will always seek out a hand-made product.

More are becoming aware of what we create more and more every day.

> Anya mentioned in one of her threads that we should go out there and

> promote Natural perfumery more. I do agree with this but I also think

> that as Natural perfumers using only pure essential oils, we should

> reflect it in our prices. Natural perfumes should be a

> real 'luxurious treat' just like travelling in a private jet. I found

> that we practice more or less the same prices as commercial perfumers

> to sell 'our work of art' and this is why the consumers - except

> those aware ones - still tend to reach for the easier more available

> synthetic commercial perfumes.

>

We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need

to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

> I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

>

> I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and many

> GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

Well, I certainly second your enthusiastic well-wishing, and say hi to

Celia for me with those wishes, also!

Hey, give more of a report on the presentation you two made in October.

Always wanting to hear more details :-)

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

[Guest guest]

> For that very reason we have to work to differentiate ourselves, our

> art, our aesthetic, our hand-crafted perfumes, from them. Many people

> *do* know the difference and will always seek out a hand-made product.

> More are becoming aware of what we create more and more every day.

>>

> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need

> to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

Well said Anya,

I have been simmering this subject in my mind and in discussions with

all my clients to keep reinforcing about the couture aspect of my

business and what I provide, in ways of custom blending these days,

and what ways we can be differentiated.

I appreciate all comments on how people do this.

AND happy holidays, here I have been swamped with orders...and have

been blending and shipping more than partying.

bless..

xoxoxoxo

L

Libby /510-290-4028

http://web.mac.com/libbypatterson

http://www.angelicaromas.com

http://www.priestessofalchemy.com

[Guest guest]

> For that very reason we have to work to differentiate ourselves, our

> art, our aesthetic, our hand-crafted perfumes, from them. Many people

> *do* know the difference and will always seek out a hand-made product.

> More are becoming aware of what we create more and more every day.

>>

> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need

> to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

Well said Anya,

I have been simmering this subject in my mind and in discussions with

all my clients to keep reinforcing about the couture aspect of my

business and what I provide, in ways of custom blending these days,

and what ways we can be differentiated.

I appreciate all comments on how people do this.

AND happy holidays, here I have been swamped with orders...and have

been blending and shipping more than partying.

bless..

xoxoxoxo

L

Libby /510-290-4028

http://web.mac.com/libbypatterson

http://www.angelicaromas.com

http://www.priestessofalchemy.com

[Guest guest]

> Isabelle Gelle wrote:

> Hi Isabelle

>

> EU regs require that sort of label which shows the perfume contains

some chems that are found naturally, yet believed to be sensitizers or

> phototoxic, are mentioned on the label.

>

> Lush is not known for its natural essences, and they may be

boosting the " natural " perfume with isolates or even aromachemical versions of

say, naturally-occurring linalool. They may be using synth linalool for more of

a " nose punch " as I am now starting to call them :-P

> > What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

> > ingredients?

> >

> Benzyl salicylate (note spelling) is a naturally occurring chemical

> element found in neroli, jasmine and ylang ylang, but it is widely

> synthesized, used to extend and fix perfumes.

THANK YOU ANYA. I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS NOT NATURAL IN THEIR SCENTS AND KNOWING

THEIR SOAPS WHICH SMELL SYNTHETIC, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STRANGE THAT THEY SUDDENLY

GO FOR THE EXPENSIVE OILS...

> > I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found

out that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> > proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> > For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> > extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from

fruit juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> > ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

> >

> Please share more info on this.

YOU CAN FIND THOSE NATURAL FRUIT EXTRACTS ON AROMAZONE WEBSITE BUT

UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THIS BIT IN ENGLISH. Here is the tiny

URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4 <http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4> - I am experimenting

with

these and they are most interesting.

> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we

need

> to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

TOTALLY AGREE AND DO WE WANT TO BECOME COMMERCIAL ANYWAY??

> > I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

> >

> > I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and

many> > GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

> Well, I certainly second your enthusiastic well-wishing, and say hi

to> Celia for me with those wishes, also!

>

> Hey, give more of a report on the presentation you two made in

October.

> Always wanting to hear more details :-)

CELIA OPENED THE INTRODUCTION TO NATURAL PERFUMERY WORKSHOP I ORGANISED IN

OCTOBER AND TOLD US HER STORIES TO WRITE THE 'SCENT TRAIL'. SHE IS MOST

FASCINATING... SHE THEN PARTICIPATED TO THE WORKSHOP AS SHE HAD ACTUALLY NEVER

GONE INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF

CREATING A NATURAL PERFUME. SHE JUST LOVED IT AND IS NOW GOING ABOUT HER OWN

CREATIONS... THE PAPERBACK VERSION OF HER BOOK IS OUT IN JANUARY! I WILL CONVEY

YOUR WISHES TO HER...

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

FRAGRANTLY, ISABELLE

[Guest guest]

> Isabelle Gelle wrote:

> Hi Isabelle

>

> EU regs require that sort of label which shows the perfume contains

some chems that are found naturally, yet believed to be sensitizers or

> phototoxic, are mentioned on the label.

>

> Lush is not known for its natural essences, and they may be

boosting the " natural " perfume with isolates or even aromachemical versions of

say, naturally-occurring linalool. They may be using synth linalool for more of

a " nose punch " as I am now starting to call them :-P

> > What is DRF alcohol? What is Benzy salicylate? Are those natural

> > ingredients?

> >

> Benzyl salicylate (note spelling) is a naturally occurring chemical

> element found in neroli, jasmine and ylang ylang, but it is widely

> synthesized, used to extend and fix perfumes.

THANK YOU ANYA. I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS NOT NATURAL IN THEIR SCENTS AND KNOWING

THEIR SOAPS WHICH SMELL SYNTHETIC, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STRANGE THAT THEY SUDDENLY

GO FOR THE EXPENSIVE OILS...

> > I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found

out that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> > proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> > For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> > extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from

fruit juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> > ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

> >

> Please share more info on this.

YOU CAN FIND THOSE NATURAL FRUIT EXTRACTS ON AROMAZONE WEBSITE BUT

UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THIS BIT IN ENGLISH. Here is the tiny

URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4 <http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4> - I am experimenting

with

these and they are most interesting.

> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we

need

> to conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

TOTALLY AGREE AND DO WE WANT TO BECOME COMMERCIAL ANYWAY??

> > I'd like to get your opinions about this topic.

> >

> > I take this opportunity to wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS and

many> > GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE YEAR TO COME!

> Well, I certainly second your enthusiastic well-wishing, and say hi

to> Celia for me with those wishes, also!

>

> Hey, give more of a report on the presentation you two made in

October.

> Always wanting to hear more details :-)

CELIA OPENED THE INTRODUCTION TO NATURAL PERFUMERY WORKSHOP I ORGANISED IN

OCTOBER AND TOLD US HER STORIES TO WRITE THE 'SCENT TRAIL'. SHE IS MOST

FASCINATING... SHE THEN PARTICIPATED TO THE WORKSHOP AS SHE HAD ACTUALLY NEVER

GONE INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF

CREATING A NATURAL PERFUME. SHE JUST LOVED IT AND IS NOW GOING ABOUT HER OWN

CREATIONS... THE PAPERBACK VERSION OF HER BOOK IS OUT IN JANUARY! I WILL CONVEY

YOUR WISHES TO HER...

>

> --

> Sincerely, Anya

FRAGRANTLY, ISABELLE

[Guest guest]

>

> > > I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found

> out that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> > > proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> > > For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> > > extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from

> fruit juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> > > ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

> > >

>

> > Please share more info on this.

>

> YOU CAN FIND THOSE NATURAL FRUIT EXTRACTS ON AROMAZONE WEBSITE BUT

> UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THIS BIT IN ENGLISH. Here is

the tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4 <http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4> -

I am experimenting with

> these and they are most interesting.

Hi everyone,

I am an enthusiastic beginner natural perfumer. I joined this group a

while ago but have been " lurking " - mainly busy having a baby, who is

a lovely five month old boy now! I wanted to avoid all essential oils

during my pregnancy but in the last two months I have been enjoying

ordering various exquisite oils/absolutes and finally reading Mandy

Aftel's " Essence and Alchemy " book (which I must say is superb: I have

learnt so much!)

I've ordered some of my essential oils from www.aromantic.co.uk

because they do a good range of organic ones. The biodynamic Jasmine

Sambac is glorious, like smelling my pet houseplants gardenia or

stephanotis when they flower!

I wanted to flag up, in reply to Isabelle's post, that I *think* they

do the same line of natural ECOCERT fruit extracts at

http://www.aromantic.co.uk/home.php?cat=57

I have ordered the raspberry and the pineapple. They definitely smell

natural. The pineapple smells like natural dried pineapple (not those

sweet sulphur chunks) which has been tinctured, and there's a

rum/brandy note so I wonder whether they have used those spirits to

tincture. The raspberry smells very deep, not like the fresh fruit but

more mature.

Incidentally, can anyone who is in the UK give me a wave? Is anyone

based in/near London? I don't know how " big " natural perfumery is here.

All best wishes

Abbie

[Guest guest]

>

> > > I visited the Paris In-cosmetics exhibition in October and found

> out that the natural fragrances and natural fruit extracts seem to be

> > > proliferating in every new cosmetic product coming on the market.

> > > For instance, one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

> > > extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from

> fruit juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

> > > ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

> > >

>

> > Please share more info on this.

>

> YOU CAN FIND THOSE NATURAL FRUIT EXTRACTS ON AROMAZONE WEBSITE BUT

> UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THIS BIT IN ENGLISH. Here is

the tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4 <http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4> -

I am experimenting with

> these and they are most interesting.

Hi everyone,

I am an enthusiastic beginner natural perfumer. I joined this group a

while ago but have been " lurking " - mainly busy having a baby, who is

a lovely five month old boy now! I wanted to avoid all essential oils

during my pregnancy but in the last two months I have been enjoying

ordering various exquisite oils/absolutes and finally reading Mandy

Aftel's " Essence and Alchemy " book (which I must say is superb: I have

learnt so much!)

I've ordered some of my essential oils from www.aromantic.co.uk

because they do a good range of organic ones. The biodynamic Jasmine

Sambac is glorious, like smelling my pet houseplants gardenia or

stephanotis when they flower!

I wanted to flag up, in reply to Isabelle's post, that I *think* they

do the same line of natural ECOCERT fruit extracts at

http://www.aromantic.co.uk/home.php?cat=57

I have ordered the raspberry and the pineapple. They definitely smell

natural. The pineapple smells like natural dried pineapple (not those

sweet sulphur chunks) which has been tinctured, and there's a

rum/brandy note so I wonder whether they have used those spirits to

tincture. The raspberry smells very deep, not like the fresh fruit but

more mature.

Incidentally, can anyone who is in the UK give me a wave? Is anyone

based in/near London? I don't know how " big " natural perfumery is here.

All best wishes

Abbie

[Guest guest]

> I wanted to flag up, in reply to Isabelle's post, that I *think*

they

> do the same line of natural ECOCERT fruit extracts at

> http://www.aromantic.co.uk/home.php?cat=57

> I have ordered the raspberry and the pineapple. They definitely

smell

> natural. The pineapple smells like natural dried pineapple (not

those

> sweet sulphur chunks) which has been tinctured, and there's a

> rum/brandy note so I wonder whether they have used those spirits to

> tincture. The raspberry smells very deep, not like the fresh fruit

but

> more mature.

>

> Incidentally, can anyone who is in the UK give me a wave? Is anyone

> based in/near London? I don't know how " big " natural perfumery is

here.

>

> All best wishes

>

> Abbie

>

Hello Abbie,

Welcome to the Group and I am sure you will find all you need here.

Thank you for sharing this contact with us in the UK. This company

has an excellent reputation and it is good to know we can find those

new products locally. It just shows that natural fruit extracts are

part of the trend of the moment and it is great to be able to

experiment.

I am based in East Yorkshire but I do come to London often. Natural

perfumery is growing and more and more demanded in the UK but we are

still few of us. Janita is in Wales. I know of one in Nottinghamshire

and I believe is in London.

It would be great to do meet like our US colleagues recently did.

What does everyone in the UK think about it?

Isabelle

[Guest guest]

> I wanted to flag up, in reply to Isabelle's post, that I *think*

they

> do the same line of natural ECOCERT fruit extracts at

> http://www.aromantic.co.uk/home.php?cat=57

> I have ordered the raspberry and the pineapple. They definitely

smell

> natural. The pineapple smells like natural dried pineapple (not

those

> sweet sulphur chunks) which has been tinctured, and there's a

> rum/brandy note so I wonder whether they have used those spirits to

> tincture. The raspberry smells very deep, not like the fresh fruit

but

> more mature.

>

> Incidentally, can anyone who is in the UK give me a wave? Is anyone

> based in/near London? I don't know how " big " natural perfumery is

here.

>

> All best wishes

>

> Abbie

>

Hello Abbie,

Welcome to the Group and I am sure you will find all you need here.

Thank you for sharing this contact with us in the UK. This company

has an excellent reputation and it is good to know we can find those

new products locally. It just shows that natural fruit extracts are

part of the trend of the moment and it is great to be able to

experiment.

I am based in East Yorkshire but I do come to London often. Natural

perfumery is growing and more and more demanded in the UK but we are

still few of us. Janita is in Wales. I know of one in Nottinghamshire

and I believe is in London.

It would be great to do meet like our US colleagues recently did.

What does everyone in the UK think about it?

Isabelle

[Guest guest]

hi abbie,

i'm giving you a wave!

i'm from the u.s.but here in london for the foreseeable future. i took an

introductory course in natural pefumery at morley college, looking forward to

taking my study of this art much, much further. do get in touch and maybe we can

put our heads together...a short course in grasse this summer is what i'v got my

eye on next...

best,

lisa

[Guest guest]

lisa bradley <artgirl2002@...> wrote: hi abbie,

i'm giving you a wave!

i'm from the u.s.but here in london for the foreseeable future

best,

lisa

Hi Abbie,

Isabelle got in touch with me off line at the prospect of us all getting

together....sounds lovely.... maybe sometime in 2008.... great to have a few

Nprs in the UK.... a great idea...

Perhaps we can all be in touch in the New Year and see if we can pin down a

time and a place that will be good for all of us ...........

sending a wave from the marches on the border of Wales and England.....

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

lisa bradley <artgirl2002@...> wrote: hi abbie,

i'm giving you a wave!

i'm from the u.s.but here in london for the foreseeable future

best,

lisa

Hi Abbie,

Isabelle got in touch with me off line at the prospect of us all getting

together....sounds lovely.... maybe sometime in 2008.... great to have a few

Nprs in the UK.... a great idea...

Perhaps we can all be in touch in the New Year and see if we can pin down a

time and a place that will be good for all of us ...........

sending a wave from the marches on the border of Wales and England.....

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

Isabelle Gelle wrote:

>>> one of my French suppliers now sells Organic fruit

>>> extracts described as 'aromatic alcool extracts obtained from

>>>

> fruit juices and fruit extracts' - They do smell gorgeous and are even

>

>>> ECOCERT (eco certified is the organic certification of the EU)...

>>>

>> Please share more info on this.

>>

>

> YOU CAN FIND THOSE NATURAL FRUIT EXTRACTS ON AROMAZONE WEBSITE BUT

> UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THIS BIT IN ENGLISH. Here is the tiny

URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4 <http://tinyurl.com/3cmme4> - I am experimenting

with

> these and they are most interesting.

>

Ha! I will have fun with altavista babelfish's wacky translation software.

>> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

>> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need to

conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

>>

>

> TOTALLY AGREE AND DO WE WANT TO BECOME COMMERCIAL ANYWAY??

>

I like living the slow, lazy, artisan life. Yes, I work all hours, but

the only boss is me and the demands from the outside are small. The

demands come from inside me, and that is decidedly non-commercial!

> CELIA OPENED THE INTRODUCTION TO NATURAL PERFUMERY WORKSHOP I ORGANISED IN

OCTOBER AND TOLD US HER STORIES TO WRITE THE 'SCENT TRAIL'. SHE IS MOST

FASCINATING... SHE THEN PARTICIPATED TO THE WORKSHOP AS SHE HAD ACTUALLY NEVER

GONE INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF

> CREATING A NATURAL PERFUME. SHE JUST LOVED IT AND IS NOW GOING ABOUT HER OWN

CREATIONS... THE PAPERBACK VERSION OF HER BOOK IS OUT IN JANUARY! I WILL CONVEY

YOUR WISHES TO HER...

Sounds great! Tell her to read her emails more often, lol -- I write,

there's a week or two interim before she responds. Now, that's a life

off the grid, one to envy!

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://AnyasGarden.com - rare and exotic

aromatics and artisan perfumes,

perfumery classes and consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com

[Guest guest]

Anya <anya@...> wrote:

Isabelle Gelle wrote:

>> We have to realize we'll never be as big as, or as commercial as,

>> traditional perfumery. We are a luxury market, and that is how we need to

conduct ourselves in every aspect of our branding.

>>

>

> TOTALLY AGREE AND DO WE WANT TO BECOME COMMERCIAL ANYWAY??

>

I like living the slow, lazy, artisan life. Yes, I work all hours, but

the only boss is me and the demands from the outside are small. The

demands come from inside me, and that is decidedly non-commercial!

--

Sincerely, Anya

Ah yes, yes......... the artisan life for me..... I have been my own boss now

for too many years to contemplate the awful stress and time constraints that

commercial manufacturing offers. LOL.....but I work all hours and adapt to life

as needed and my own inner mountains long, enjoyable and testing to climb....

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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