Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few things including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C cream on the affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've read reduces cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i also just got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other ideas? has anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Dear Suze, You might find a lot of information in a post earlier on, #26296 on " Body Fat Created to Contain Toxins. " When I was searching for this information for , I found they also discussed cellulite. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Suze, if you get any good ideas could you pass them my way via private email? I know a number of ladies who would be very interested in some workable approaches, and would be more attentive if I said they were passed on to me by another lady. Thanks, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:57:07 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? > originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. > > in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few things > including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C cream on the > affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've read reduces > cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i also just > got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other ideas? has > anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? > > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Suze, RAW CULTURED BUTTER reduces cellulite. I'm proof that it works and didn't fully realize it until one of our customers came to us for our raw butter. It seems they had read in " The Body Ecology Diet by Donna Gates " that raw cultured butter will help get rid of cellulite. We had only just started making our butter cultured a few months ago (we made sour cream butter before that). When our customer said this I looked down at my legs and was quite astonished to see that most of my cellulite had disappeared. You can't imagine my surprise when I realized that - what a joy! Anyway, we use our butter for everything in cooking and baking - and slather it on nice and thick. I appreciate it much more than I ever did before. Janet Re: cellulite Suze, if you get any good ideas could you pass them my way via private email? I know a number of ladies who would be very interested in some workable approaches, and would be more attentive if I said they were passed on to me by another lady. Thanks, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:57:07 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? > originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. > > in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few things > including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C cream on the > affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've read reduces > cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i also just > got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other ideas? has > anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? > > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 > Suze, > RAW CULTURED BUTTER reduces cellulite. > Janet Janet, I don't suppose raw sweet butter has the same effect, does it? I don't really care for the taste of cultured butter (yet), but I am interested in reducing cellulite. Has anyone heard of trampoline bouncing to reduce cellulite? I can't seem to find the site where I read about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 While I really try to limit my posting (I know you can't tell) I just have to make this needless post and say: LOL! Just because it was such a good laugh. Not a disparaging one, that's just funny. Chris In a message dated 8/19/03 5:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bettysmith997@... writes: > I read somewhere that the body stores fat in the form of cellulite in > women for the purpose of breast-feeding a baby. Once a woman gives > birth and starts breast-feeding, then the cellulite goes away. If > this is true, then the obvious solution is to have a baby and > breastfeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 >>>>RAW CULTURED BUTTER reduces cellulite. ------>wow...something i'd lOVE to eat to boot! LOL. THANKS!! i wonder if it's the CLA, but that would be in regular ol' butter too. i'm taking a CLA supplement, but it's a man-made CLA and I don't know if it works the same as the one configured by nature. thanks also for the testimonial, too...about how much cultured butter do you eat? and how long until you noticed it was having an effect? i'd really like to know how you culture your butter too - do you use the NT recipe? thanks so much janet! p.s. to michael: i WILL find a successful protocol and i'll post it when i see the results. if i weren't abhored by it, i'd take " before " and " after " pictures! LOL Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I read somewhere that the body stores fat in the form of cellulite in women for the purpose of breast-feeding a baby. Once a woman gives birth and starts breast-feeding, then the cellulite goes away. If this is true, then the obvious solution is to have a baby and breastfeed. I did wonder, though, since it's possible to stimulate lactation in women who haven't given birth, could a woman use a breast pump every evening to purge herself of the cellulite and actually lose weight? Not exactly warrior-style, but hey, whatever works. Betsy > > > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have > > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than > > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight > > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i > > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 > > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the > > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my > > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of > > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i > > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? > > originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years > > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. > > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from > > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do > > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, > > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. > > > > in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few things > > including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C cream on the > > affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've read reduces > > cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i also just > > got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other ideas? has > > anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? > > > > > > > > Suze Fisher > > Lapdog Design, Inc. > > Web Design & Development > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > > http://www.westonaprice.org > > > > ---------------------------- > > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > > <http://www.thincs.org> > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 >>>>I read somewhere that the body stores fat in the form of cellulite in women for the purpose of breast-feeding a baby. Once a woman gives birth and starts breast-feeding, then the cellulite goes away. If this is true, then the obvious solution is to have a baby and breastfeed. ------>i just love simple n' easy solutions like this! LOL! ok, just kidding...this is a slightly more involved solution than i had in mind ;-) >>>>>I did wonder, though, since it's possible to stimulate lactation in women who haven't given birth, could a woman use a breast pump every evening to purge herself of the cellulite and actually lose weight? Not exactly warrior-style, but hey, whatever works. ----->would this also increase bust size? LOL ;-) hey, maybe that's why *babies* have dimpled fat...they *suck* it out of their mother. <g> yeh...maybe i can just be somebody's wet nurse. boy, we can sure come up with some creative solutions on this board! <g> Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 >>>>> Has anyone heard of trampoline bouncing to reduce cellulite? I can't seem to find the site where I read about that. ----->karen, i think i've heard of that. i actually dragged my mini tramp up from teh basement, but haven't found much time to bounce. i much prefer weight lifting! but, i might squeeze some extra time out of the day and try to bounce maybe 3x/week or so. however, if i can just eat gobs of cultured raw butter to " melt " the cellulite off, heck, who needs to bounce? LOL Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Re: cellulite > Suze, > RAW CULTURED BUTTER reduces cellulite. > Janet Janet, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I've never had much of a problem with cellulite, but I hardly have any now, basically since I went low carb. I don't believe it's a " natural " occurence in women. Not all thigh and hip fat is deposited in the way that causes cellulite dimples. It isn't deposited on lower legs or abdomen or arms in that way. Personally, I have a theory that it is linked to consumption of refined and starchy carbs, and foods with lots of unnatural stuff added, eg MSG, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated fats etc. Jo " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@v...> wrote: > > > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have > > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than > > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight > > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i > > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 > > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the > > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my > > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of > > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i > > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? > > originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years > > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. > > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from > > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do > > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, > > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Lactation with out being pregant is fairly iffy. A small number of women can achieve full lactation (baby needs no supplements). Most women will produce some milk, but still need to supplement and some women produce nothing. This is all with baby sucking and pumping. A babies suck is different from a pump. Some nursing mothers find that when using a pump they produce less milk. That is why a lot of working mothers give up nursing early. Amy Re: cellulite I read somewhere that the body stores fat in the form of cellulite in women for the purpose of breast-feeding a baby. Once a woman gives birth and starts breast-feeding, then the cellulite goes away. If this is true, then the obvious solution is to have a baby and breastfeed. I did wonder, though, since it's possible to stimulate lactation in women who haven't given birth, could a woman use a breast pump every evening to purge herself of the cellulite and actually lose weight? Not exactly warrior-style, but hey, whatever works. Betsy > > > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem to have > > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is just more than > > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not overweight > > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way because i > > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained about 10 > > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of cellulite on the > > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was wondering if my > > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a lot of > > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy cream. i > > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to cellulite? > > originally i thought that it might be because for the past several years > > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a full stomach. > > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause ranging from > > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it has to do > > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal fats. OTOH, > > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. > > > > in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few things > > including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C cream on the > > affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've read reduces > > cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i also just > > got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other ideas? has > > anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? > > > > > > > > Suze Fisher > > Lapdog Design, Inc. > > Web Design & Development > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > > http://www.westonaprice.org > > > > ---------------------------- > > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > > <http://www.thincs.org> > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 As one who has breastfed two, all i can say is LOL!!! I got more! Elaine -- Natural parenting products for conception through weaning: www.uniquebabyboutique.com/?elainefawcett > From: " Betsy " <bettysmith997@...> > Reply- > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:26:17 -0000 > > Subject: Re: cellulite > > I read somewhere that the body stores fat in the form of cellulite in > women for the purpose of breast-feeding a baby. Once a woman gives > birth and starts breast-feeding, then the cellulite goes away. If > this is true, then the obvious solution is to have a baby and > breastfeed. I did wonder, though, since it's possible to stimulate > lactation in women who haven't given birth, could a woman use a > breast pump every evening to purge herself of the cellulite and > actually lose weight? Not exactly warrior-style, but hey, whatever > works. > > Betsy > > > > >> >>> does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem > to have >>> persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is > just more than >>> i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not > overweight >>> (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way > because i >>> do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained > about 10 >>> lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of > cellulite on the >>> *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was > wondering if my >>> NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a > lot of >>> animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy > cream. i >>> also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to > cellulite? >>> originally i thought that it might be because for the past > several years >>> i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a > full stomach. >>> but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause > ranging from >>> stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it > has to do >>> with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal > fats. OTOH, >>> i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. >>> >>> in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few > things >>> including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C > cream on the >>> affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've > read reduces >>> cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i > also just >>> got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other > ideas? has >>> anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? >>> >>> >>> >>> Suze Fisher >>> Lapdog Design, Inc. >>> Web Design & Development >>> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg >>> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine >>> http://www.westonaprice.org >>> >>> ---------------------------- >>> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and > cholesterol cause >>> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our > times. " -- >>> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at > Vanderbilt >>> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. >>> >>> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics >>> <http://www.thincs.org> >>> ---------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 >>>As one who has breastfed two, all i can say is LOL!!! I got more! Elaine ----->hunh! there goes my wet nurse aspirations! Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Jo, I must disagree with you on this one. I watch everything I eat, do not consume refined or starchy carbs. I eat 90-100% organic and avoid all sugar and most especially high fructose corn syrup. All of this yet I still gained tons of cellulite when I started menopause, not only in my upper thighs and buttocks, but my arms too. My diet didn't change, nor did my activity level. I'm constantly on the move here. Yet, when I started consuming raw, organic, cultured butter the cellulite all but disappeared in about 3 months time. There's something to this - I'm living proof! I just wish I knew what it was. Janet Re: cellulite I've never had much of a problem with cellulite, but I hardly have any now, basically since I went low carb. I don't believe it's a " natural " occurence in women. Not all thigh and hip fat is deposited in the way that causes cellulite dimples. It isn't deposited on lower legs or abdomen or arms in that way. Personally, I have a theory that it is linked to consumption of refined and starchy carbs, and foods with lots of unnatural stuff added, eg MSG, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated fats etc. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Betsy I will vouch that that theory does NOT work. I have had 2 babies and breastfed each until they were 3 years- didn't help the cellulite any. Wish it had! Kathy > > > > > does anyone have suggestions on how to reduce cellulite? i seem > to have > > > persistent cellulite on my back upper thighs. the quantity is > just more than > > > i'm willing to accept as my vanity won't allow it ;-) i'm not > overweight > > > (125 lbs. at 5'6 " ) and fairly muscular in a feminine kind of way > because i > > > do weight training about 5 days/week. this past winter i gained > about 10 > > > lbs. and for the first time in my life had a little bit of > cellulite on the > > > *front* of my thighs. yikes! never had that before. i was > wondering if my > > > NT/WAP diet is *increasing* my cellulite, and if so, why? I eat a > lot of > > > animal fats including butter, lard, fatty cuts of meat, and heavy > cream. i > > > also take 1 Tbsp. of CO daily. Could my diet be contributing to > cellulite? > > > originally i thought that it might be because for the past > several years > > > i've tended to eat a big meal late at night and go to bed on a > full stomach. > > > but now i've read a number of different theories on the cause > ranging from > > > stored toxins (is this true????) to hormones to genetics. if it > has to do > > > with stored toxins then i wonder about the quality of my animal > fats. OTOH, > > > i've also read that cellulite is pretty normal for women. > > > > > > in any case, i'd like to reduce it. right now i'm trying a few > things > > > including CLA and skin support supplements, rubbing vitamin C > cream on the > > > affected area (has shown to increase skin thickness, which i've > read reduces > > > cellulite), and occasionally massaging the back of my thighs. i > also just > > > got some capri length support hose for when i work out. any other > ideas? has > > > anyone on this board successfully reduced cellulite? if so, how? > > > > > > > > > > > > Suze Fisher > > > Lapdog Design, Inc. > > > Web Design & Development > > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > > > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > > > http://www.westonaprice.org > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and > cholesterol cause > > > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our > times. " -- > > > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at > Vanderbilt > > > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > > > > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > > > <http://www.thincs.org> > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:15:42 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > > p.s. to michael: i WILL find a successful protocol and i'll post it when i > see the results. if i weren't abhored by it, i'd take " before " and " after " > pictures! LOL > Well I did ask you to email me privately <ROFL>. Seriously, before and after pics sound like a good idea. I did that when I was first working on my thinning hair and it was quite inspirational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Men can lactate too with enough nipple stimulation. Elaine -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 , what worked on your thinning hair (the male equivalent to cellulite). My husband would probably like to know. Elaine > Well I did ask you to email me privately <ROFL>. Seriously, before and > after pics sound like a good idea. I did that when I was first working > on my thinning hair and it was quite inspirational. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 >Men can lactate too with enough nipple stimulation. >Elaine >-- ROTFL! And someone has done this ... ? Now THAT is unnatural! My mind is generating many pictures ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 For what it is worth, it seems " cellulite " has to do with the kind of connective tissue and the kind of fat, both of which may be connected with butter. Cultured butter may be high in butyrate? I wonder if kefir-butter would work. And of course connective tissue problems are also related to gluten problems ... at least they seem to be. And since estrogen production may be related to gluten ingestion, and fat deposits seem to be a lot different in women than in men (below), and cellulite seems to be a modern problem ... -- Heidi ================ An exploratory investigation of the morphology and biochemistry of cellulite. Rosenbaum M, Prieto V, Hellmer J, Boschmann M, Krueger J, Leibel RL, Ship AG Plast Reconstr Surg 1998 Jun 101:1934-9 BROWSE : Plast Reconstr Surg • Volume 101 • Issue 7 VIEW : MEDLINE, full MEDLINE, related records Abstract Dimpling of the skin of the thighs and buttocks is commonly referred to as cellulite, and it afflicts women much more frequently than men. Whereas many therapies that presume cellulite is caused by an abnormality of adipose tissue have gained recent popularity, the basic pathophysiology of cellulite has not been clearly identified. Theoretically, cellulite could reflect differences in adipose tissue biochemistry or connective tissue structure of affected versus unaffected individuals and/or of affected versus unaffected regions within an individual. We report here on direct experimental examination of these possibilities. Seven healthy adult subjects (five women, two men; four affected, three unaffected) underwent sonography of the thigh, measurement of regional in vivo subcutaneous adipose tissue metabolism (catecholaminergic responsiveness and blood flow) by microdialysis probe studies of the abdomen and the thigh, and full-thickness wedge biopsy of the thigh under local anesthesia. The presence of cellulite was defined as evidence of dimpling of the skin of the posterolateral thigh when the subject stood with the affected leg flexed to 90 degrees at the hip and knee. Any continuous area of skin at least 3 cm in diameter in which no dimpling was evident was designated as " unaffected. " In all affected individuals, studies were performed to include both affected and unaffected areas of the thigh. In vitro pathologic examination of wedge biopsies and in vivo sonographic examination of the thigh both showed a diffuse pattern of extrusion of underlying adipose tissue into the reticular dermis in affected, but not unaffected, individuals. In vitro and in vivo studies also demonstrated that women had a diffuse pattern of irregular and discontinuous connective tissue immediately below the dermis, but this same layer of connective tissue was smooth and continuous in men. This connective tissue layer was more irregular and discontinuous in affected versus unaffected individuals. No significant differences were noted in subcutaneous adipose tissue morphology, lipolytic responsiveness, or regional blood flow between affected and unaffected sites within individuals. There is a sexual dimorphism in the structural characteristics of subdermal connective tissue that predisposes women to develop the irregular extrusion of adipose tissue into the dermis, which characterizes cellulite. These gender-related differences are diffuse and not localized only to affected areas. There is no evidence of any primary role for adipose tissue physiology, blood flow, or biochemistry in the etiology of cellulite, although the connective tissue of the female thigh is structured to accentuate differences in small subdermal adipose tissue depots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Again, some can. But most can not. Re: Re: cellulite Men can lactate too with enough nipple stimulation. Elaine -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I have always wondered if the men who were capable of doing this were able to because of there flawed eating habits. You never hear much about that, just the sensationalism of this ability. Amy Re: Re: cellulite >Men can lactate too with enough nipple stimulation. >Elaine >-- ROTFL! And someone has done this ... ? Now THAT is unnatural! My mind is generating many pictures ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 >>>>Well I did ask you to email me privately <ROFL>. Seriously, before and after pics sound like a good idea. I did that when I was first working on my thinning hair and it was quite inspirational. ------>well gee, i can " cc " you, if you really want it private! LOL but since others seem interested too, i might as well post it to the board. but no pix! LOL did you post your hair thickening protocol to this board, or to beyondprice? i seem to vaguely remember that, and i'd like to read it again. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Re: cellulite On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:15:42 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > > p.s. to michael: i WILL find a successful protocol and i'll post it when i > see the results. if i weren't abhored by it, i'd take " before " and " after " > pictures! LOL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 >>>>>For what it is worth, it seems " cellulite " has to do with the kind of connective tissue and the kind of fat, ----->yes, i've started taking vitamin C for that reason, and other stuff to support connective tissue. >>>And of course connective tissue problems are also related to gluten problems ... at least they seem to be. And since estrogen production may be related to gluten ingestion, and fat deposits seem to be a lot different in women than in men (below), and cellulite seems to be a modern problem ... ------->i would guess that would be the case in *some* cases, but not all, of course. generally my gluten intake is tiny. i *think* my cellulite increased this past winter when i gained 10 lbs. at a time when i ate a LOT of animal fats. i have no idea if i just didn't notice it before or not. but there seemed to be connection to my diet - mostly low carb, high fat, high protein. i think it could be connected to some type of hormonal shift brought on by dietary changes..? it could have to do with the *quality* of my food rather than composition, though. although i honestly have no idea - i eat meat/fat from primarily pasture-fed livestock from local farms. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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