Re: queezy tummy and the runs :( Any remedies ????

[Guest guest]

>i either got this from eggs or raw milk that i had yesterday fro

>breakfast ( new container of raw milk ) as no sooner than 20 misn

>later i felt funyn in the tummy.

>

>but now i have bad case of the runs to.

If it is bacterial, there are two options I know of:

1. Pepto Bismol. It inhibits certain bacterial actions that tend to hurt

the gut.

2. Kimchi, kefir, or other probiotics, which tend to kill off the bad guys.

You might be encountering just a bacteria your gut isn't used to --

the old " traveller's diarrhea " syndrome. In that case, 1 or 2 will

still work. When I've gotten that in the past, the docs always prescribed

a diet of white rice, because it is easily digested -- I know a lot of people

here will cringe at that, but personally I wouldn't recommend cheese,

at any rate, because that CAN be hard to digest. Maybe broths ... just keep

yourself hydrated. Last time I got sick (which was a LONG time ago) I

got so dehydrated I almost ended up in the ER. DRINK!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I think it could have possible been caused by the raw milk i had(

which i was about to turn into yoghurt )

However i had lost my appetite before i had even finished the eggs

after it. ( earlier in the morning i had a " aching " at my lower

back that was not muscle or " sore back " related

so maybe i already had teh prob tehre overngiht then breakfast was

just at the time hte initial tummy upsetting came in.

Im a bit scared right now as wouldnt mind seeing a doctor

as im passing yellow liquid now and dont know what it is

( i cant make a doctor for a few more hours till flatmate gets home

and i can grab car )

>

> >i either got this from eggs or raw milk that i had yesterday fro

> >breakfast ( new container of raw milk ) as no sooner than 20 misn

> >later i felt funyn in the tummy.

> >

> >but now i have bad case of the runs to.

>

> If it is bacterial, there are two options I know of:

>

> 1. Pepto Bismol. It inhibits certain bacterial actions that tend to

hurt

> the gut.

>

> 2. Kimchi, kefir, or other probiotics, which tend to kill off the

bad guys.

>

> You might be encountering just a bacteria your gut isn't used to --

> the old " traveller's diarrhea " syndrome. In that case, 1 or 2 will

> still work. When I've gotten that in the past, the docs always

prescribed

> a diet of white rice, because it is easily digested -- I know a lot

of people

> here will cringe at that, but personally I wouldn't recommend

cheese,

> at any rate, because that CAN be hard to digest. Maybe broths ...

just keep

> yourself hydrated. Last time I got sick (which was a LONG time ago)

I

> got so dehydrated I almost ended up in the ER. DRINK!

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Since I've been suffering from some kind of gut problem for the last month

and have almost completely recovered now, and during that time I had a " queezy

tummy and the runs " I'm going to chime in with my opinion.

First I'm going to disagree on the cheese partly and say it depends what kind

of cheese. I find pizza hard to digest when I occasionally buy some, and

find the cheese harder to digest than regular pasteurized milk. But raw

cheddar,

I don't have any problem digesting. I'd suggest sticking to high-quality,

raw, lactose-free cheeses. I think if you stick to raw the lactose-free takes

care of itself, as mentioned a few weeks ago.

My bug wasn't caused by food poisoning I don't think, but the fact that I ran

out of Primal Defense, and meanwhile I have a systemic infection originating

in two of my teeth, as well as a titanium post in the tooth that connects via

the acupuncture meridian to my large intestine (probably doesn't help the

infection).

At first my stool was getting abnormally soft, then it turned into

quasi-diarrhea for a few weeks, and was abnormally light in color, eventually a

chalky

gray, then it finally turned into diarrhea. Whenever I would eat anything, I

would get rumbling in my tummy, gas, sometimes diarrhea in response to eating.

I happened to be reading Breaking the Vicious Cycle at the time and decided

to try SCD. There were no significant effects for that first week in my

pooping troubles, but immediately beginning with the first meal I 95% eliminated

all

my tummy rumbling, gas, and other symptoms related to food. In other words,

it didn't really do anything to reverse my condition in that time, but it did

seem to stop my from making myself even worse simply by eating.

Digestive enzymes are a wise idea, and helped me a bit too when I added them.

The big thing that helped me was Primal Defense. When I got some, the next

day the eye infection I acquired when my gut issue got better went away, I had

the first dark brown poop in weeks, and my energy level started normalizing.

If you have a temporary bug from eating you probably shouldn't bother

spending the money on the PD, but if you have an abnormal vulnerability to these

problems you should probably try Primal Defense.

I would suggest taking some digestive enzymes with what you eat while you are

sick though, something with ox bile, pancreatin, and HCl.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/1/03 7:18:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

amyleewaters@... writes:

> When kids get diarrhea the BRATY diet is recommended. Bananas, Rice,

> Apples, Toast, Yoghurt. Also plenty of fluids. If it lasts for more than a

day

> you may need an electrolyte replacment. I believe there is a recipe for one

in

> Nourishing Traditions.

Amy,

Who is this recommended by and what is the rationale? I'm curious about the

enormous amount of carbs... My digestion got tremendously better when I had

diarrhea after doing SCD, and BRATY looks like the anti-SCD!!! :-) The first

meal I had that settled *great* was lamb cooked in lard with raw whipped cream

sweetened with raw honey. I guess it wasn't perfectly SCD-legal because of

trace lactose that mgiht have been in the cream, but more or less. The yogurt

I see becaue of the priobiotics, but the toast?

Chris

[Guest guest]

When kids get diarrhea the BRATY diet is recommended. Bananas, Rice, Apples,

Toast, Yoghurt. Also plenty of fluids. If it lasts for more than a day you may

need an electrolyte replacment. I believe there is a recipe for one in

Nourishing Traditions.

Amy

queezy tummy and the runs Any remedies ????

i either got this from eggs or raw milk that i had yesterday fro

breakfast ( new container of raw milk ) as no sooner than 20 misn

later i felt funyn in the tummy.

but now i have bad case of the runs to.

any idea what i can eat that is not goign to not agitate the problem

but perhaps even add some soothing.

all ive had all day was a slab of cheese i forced myself to eat as i

have no appetite and had to get a few calories from somewhere.

[Guest guest]

I never understood the toast either and usually just ate oatmeal and left off

the cream. The other items are supposedly binding. This works best for

diarrhea caused by bad food (allergy, incorrect handling). Cronic problems with

diarrhea would need more through investigation for proper treatment. Braty diet

is pretty mainstream. Meaning most regular Dr. recommend it. I only had to use

it once on my daughter. I never did figure out exactly what gave her the

squirts but it cleared up right after I restricted her diet. She had been

around a little girl who had a fever the day before, But she was never

feverish. That child had recently been vacinnated and I am thinking shed

vaccines.

Amy

Re: queezy tummy and the runs Any remedies ????

In a message dated 8/1/03 7:18:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

amyleewaters@... writes:

> When kids get diarrhea the BRATY diet is recommended. Bananas, Rice,

> Apples, Toast, Yoghurt. Also plenty of fluids. If it lasts for more than a

day

> you may need an electrolyte replacment. I believe there is a recipe for one

in

> Nourishing Traditions.

Amy,

Who is this recommended by and what is the rationale? I'm curious about the

enormous amount of carbs... My digestion got tremendously better when I had

diarrhea after doing SCD, and BRATY looks like the anti-SCD!!! :-) The first

meal I had that settled *great* was lamb cooked in lard with raw whipped cream

sweetened with raw honey. I guess it wasn't perfectly SCD-legal because of

trace lactose that mgiht have been in the cream, but more or less. The yogurt

I see becaue of the priobiotics, but the toast?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>I never understood the toast either and usually just ate oatmeal and left off

the cream. The other items are supposedly binding. This works best for

diarrhea caused by bad food (allergy, incorrect handling).

We got just rice and bananas. I think the rice/banana diet works mainly because

it avoids the " allergy/hard to digest " items like milk and wheat. Yogurt is a

lot easier to digest for most folks than milk is. Obviously I disagree with the

toast! Unless it is GF. But burnt toast (and most toast is a little burned) has

carbon on the outside, and plain carbon is great for stomach problems. It

absorbs toxins (think aquarium filter). At one point I bought some carbon

tablets when I was having a lot of quesiness. I'd guess they absorb nutrients

too, so it's not a good idea long term.

the symptoms you describe (loose stools, then chalky etc.) sound like

classic staetorrhea, where the person isn't absorbing fats. That can come from a

number of causes, but I know when I had it I also craved fats a lot, probably

because I wasn't absorbing them well, and usually never got to the diarrhea

stage. Which may be why a high fat diet feels good at that point?

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>I think if you stick to raw the lactose-free takes

>care of itself, as mentioned a few weeks ago.

I wouldn't necessarily rely on this. A diet of raw cultured dairy has

actually made me more lactose-intolerant. When I first started raw

grass-fed dairy, I could actually drink glasses of fresh, raw, uncultured

milk with little to no ill effects. Recently I experimented and suffered

excruciating joint pain and the runs for over twelve hours. This is part

of why I plan to experiment with no dairy, except possibly sour butter.

-

[Guest guest]

hu paul,

that is very intresting. I have been eating 200 grms of cheese (

store bougth stuff so its pasturised )

but every morning also approx 2 full cups ( 500 to 600 mill ) of raw

milk. Perhaps i experience same phenomena as you ?

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Chris-

>

> >I think if you stick to raw the lactose-free takes

> >care of itself, as mentioned a few weeks ago.

>

> I wouldn't necessarily rely on this. A diet of raw cultured dairy

has

> actually made me more lactose-intolerant. When I first started raw

> grass-fed dairy, I could actually drink glasses of fresh, raw,

uncultured

> milk with little to no ill effects. Recently I experimented and

suffered

> excruciating joint pain and the runs for over twelve hours. This

is part

> of why I plan to experiment with no dairy, except possibly sour

butter.

>

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/3/03 10:48:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> I wouldn't necessarily rely on this. A diet of raw cultured dairy has

> actually made me more lactose-intolerant. When I first started raw

> grass-fed dairy, I could actually drink glasses of fresh, raw, uncultured

> milk with little to no ill effects. Recently I experimented and suffered

> excruciating joint pain and the runs for over twelve hours. This is part

> of why I plan to experiment with no dairy, except possibly sour butter.

,

I just meant for cheeses, not fresh milk. This is because you said that all

cheeses aged over 60 days are lactose-free, which is the minimum aging

requirement for raw cheese to be sold legally in stores.

Chris

[Guest guest]

-

I don't know all your symptoms, but the only way to be sure is to

experiment -- try eating no dairy (and replacing it with meat and meat fat)

for awhile and see how you feel.

>Perhaps i experience same phenomena as you ?

-

[Guest guest]

Chris-

Oh, yes, raw cheese fermented for long enough would probably be an exception.

>I just meant for cheeses, not fresh milk. This is because you said that all

>cheeses aged over 60 days are lactose-free, which is the minimum aging

>requirement for raw cheese to be sold legally in stores.

-