Re: Crowded teeth, jaw formation, toddler looks

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In a message dated 8/16/03 3:06:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

peace4tx@... writes:

> Is it possible to reverse crowding and return to facial proportions

> that are in line with my genetic potential?

>

> What can I do? Any personal experiences or testimonials?

My teeth have always been messed up. Sally said she knew someone who had

crowded teeth and narrow face and all that and started eating well in her

mid-teens and actually " fixed " her facial structure.

You could start by using cod liver oil, raw grass-fed butter, and plenty of

raw milk.

Chris

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Hi, I don't have any answers for you just similar questions. My son

is 12 and his teeth are crowded. One of the bottom front 4 is almost

pushed out of its position. He still has 3 teeth to loose and be

replaced by permanent although I don't remember at the moment if

they are top or bottom ones. I'm a minimalist when it comes to

intervention but is this the time to consider orthodontics? I found

a little on the web about holistic dentistry but not really anything

about orthodontics. The Weston Price stuff just mentions the one-

liner about orthodontics to widen the palate but no details to go

with it (at least that I've found). Are there other options? What

should I know about orthodontics before I take him in for an

evaluation? Are some things ok, some to be avoided? I have no

personnal experience to draw on.

Thanks, j

--- In , " peace4tx " <peace4tx@y...>

wrote:

> BACKGROUND:

> I was looking at some toddler pictures (1 - 5 years old), and I

> noticed that my jaw was perfectly formed and my facial structure

very

> well-proportioned.

>

> It seems I had some kind of teeth problems showing up around 13

yrs

> old, because I got braces from age 13 to 15.

>

> Even at age 12 and before, my facial proportions and jaw looked

much

> better than now.

>

> I am now 17, nearly 18, with no braces or retainer. My bottom

teeth

> look to be crowding.

>

> QUESTION:

> Is it possible to reverse crowding and return to facial

proportions

> that are in line with my genetic potential?

>

> What can I do? Any personal experiences or testimonials?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/16/03 8:10:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

clearvu@... writes:

> Cut out any soda's, sugars and cornsyrup(begin to read labels) you may

> consume, it eats calcium and prohibits your intake of it.

Tim,

I'm not in any way contradicitng your advice which I wholly agree with, but

just to point out, out of academic interest, but according to the only research

I've seen that's attempted to explain it, sugar does not " eat " calcium but

indirectly interferes with absorption by actually *increasing* calcium blood

levels, while decreasing blood phosphorus, which interferes with the

incorporation of calcium into bone and causes calcium to run around free until

it is

deposited in soft tissues. An excessive amount of phosphoric acid found in soda

can have the opposite effect and cause calcium to be leached from the bones to

meet the proper phosphorus ratio in the blood; however, since soda also

contains sugar, I have no idea how the interplay works.

In terms of teeth specifically, other research has found consumption of sugar

to dramatically decrease the flow of fluid through the dentin tubules

temporarily, effectively cutting off the supply of nutrition to the teeth,

regardless

of what nutrition is being eaten to get there. (But since it does not

completely stop the flow of fluid, even if one constantly consumes sugar,

consuming

other nutrients can make a big difference over not consuming them.)

I had previously wrongly attributed both of these findings to Melvin Page.

In fact only the first finding is attributable to Melvin Page; the second is

attributable to Ralph R. Steinman, who found the dentin flow to be obstructed by

both injecting sugar into the abdominal lining of rats, as well as feeding

the rats via a tube into the stomach, thus bypassing in both instances direct

contact of the sugar with the teeth, and with both instances resulting in tooth

decay.

Chris

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Hey there...

My understanding of a receding jaw and crowded teeth is osteoporosis.

Your body was deficient in calcium so it started top pull it out of your

jaw and teeth to supply your brain with as much as possible in your

formative years.

Cut out any soda's, sugars and cornsyrup(begin to read labels) you may

consume, it eats calcium and prohibits your intake of it.

Start getting as much calcium as possible but you may want to have

yourself checked out by a alternative health practitioner( others on the

list can name the type of practitioner) to see what else you are lacking

in in order to balance yourself out and repair as much as possible.

just calcium will not be enough, your body is like a carburetor on a

engine, you can dump raw fuel into it and it will run, sort of, but get

the right mixture that is tuned to your body, and your body alone and

you will get much more accomplished when everything is working together.

Also try Sally Fallons broth's found in nourishing traditions.

Or get some soup bones and call your grandmother and ask her what to do

with them if you can't get the NT book.

And eat everything they tell you not too in school!!!!!(as far as the

pyramid goes) except dirt, unless you know the farmer it came from( ha).

Good luck, congratulations on not waiting until your 38 like the rest of

us......

Tim

peace4tx wrote:

> BACKGROUND:

> I was looking at some toddler pictures (1 - 5 years old), and I

> noticed that my jaw was perfectly formed and my facial structure very

> well-proportioned.

>

> It seems I had some kind of teeth problems showing up around 13 yrs

> old, because I got braces from age 13 to 15.

>

> Even at age 12 and before, my facial proportions and jaw looked much

> better than now.

>

> I am now 17, nearly 18, with no braces or retainer. My bottom teeth

> look to be crowding.

>

> QUESTION:

> Is it possible to reverse crowding and return to facial proportions

> that are in line with my genetic potential?

>

> What can I do? Any personal experiences or testimonials?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> My teeth have always been messed up. Sally said she knew someone

who had

> crowded teeth and narrow face and all that and started eating well

in her

> mid-teens and actually " fixed " her facial structure.

>

------> I was talking briefly to someone who had worked for years

with Dr. Bernard Jenson in California. She mentioned that when

people would follow the diet strictly they would often see facial

changes in bone structure. She said these were adults! I didn't have

time to ask her more but sure do have questions about it. The people

used lots of fresh raw goats milk. If it's true it pretty wild huh!

I would love to know any sources of research on this one!

Lynn

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Great, that's the happiest I've felt all day! I only thought minor

aesthetic changes were possible. Can you please include more

information on what this diet was exactly and/or the validity of the

fact.

> > My teeth have always been messed up. Sally said she knew

someone

> who had

> > crowded teeth and narrow face and all that and started eating

well

> in her

> > mid-teens and actually " fixed " her facial structure.

> >

> ------> I was talking briefly to someone who had worked for years

> with Dr. Bernard Jenson in California. She mentioned that when

> people would follow the diet strictly they would often see facial

> changes in bone structure. She said these were adults! I didn't

have

> time to ask her more but sure do have questions about it. The

people

> used lots of fresh raw goats milk. If it's true it pretty wild huh!

> I would love to know any sources of research on this one!

>

> Lynn

[Guest guest]

> In terms of teeth specifically, other research has found

consumption of sugar

> to dramatically decrease the flow of fluid through the dentin

tubules

> temporarily, effectively cutting off the supply of nutrition to

the teeth, regardless

> of what nutrition is being eaten to get there. (But since it does

not

> completely stop the flow of fluid, even if one constantly consumes

sugar, consuming

> other nutrients can make a big difference over not consuming them.)

>

Given this normal flow of fluid through the dentin tubules are tooth

sealants good or bad?

j

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In a message dated 8/20/03 12:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jrd416@...

writes:

> Given this normal flow of fluid through the dentin tubules are tooth

> sealants good or bad?

I don't think they'd have any effect. The dentin tubules are in the dentin,

which is inside the enamel, and go from the inside out, while tooth sealants

are on the outside. But who knows...

Chris

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I don't know if they are good in always for you. I have had them on my molars

since the late 70s and had no more cavities. And I ate a horrible diet of

processed and fast foods. I eat a much healthier diet now and I am

contemplating not having them replaced when they need to be. Anybody know of

other reasons not to have sealants.

Amy

Re: Crowded teeth, jaw formation, " toddler looks "

> In terms of teeth specifically, other research has found

consumption of sugar

> to dramatically decrease the flow of fluid through the dentin

tubules

> temporarily, effectively cutting off the supply of nutrition to

the teeth, regardless

> of what nutrition is being eaten to get there. (But since it does

not

> completely stop the flow of fluid, even if one constantly consumes

sugar, consuming

> other nutrients can make a big difference over not consuming them.)

>

Given this normal flow of fluid through the dentin tubules are tooth

sealants good or bad?

j

[Guest guest]

On this thread, New Scientist this week had an article

about bed wetting -- seems they have shown that it

is caused by ... drum roll ... narrow palates in kids!

The narrow palate pushes the tongue back and causes

snoring and sleep apnea, which upsets the oxygen

in the blood which upsets the hormone balances, they

think. Anyway, they have this little device that fits

in the upper mouth to widen the palate ... they should

maybe read Price's book ...

-- Heidi