Re: Tendonitus

[Guest guest]

From what ive read Ina tensinitus is a direct result of muscle

contraction ( repetitive ) and not enough stretchign to countrtact

that.. There are many places who beelive it can be elleviated and

brought back to normal with a specific stretchign routine

> I went to the surgeon today to see what I needed to do after the

> stitches were removed on Monday. Well I can't use my thumb for

another

> 26 days (that is when I see him again) and possibly a lot longer.

Also

> he diagnosed me with tendonitis of my hands and that explains some

of

> the problems I have had with my hands. It appears I have it in my

hands,

> my left shoulder and right elbow. So now I have to learn what it is

and

> what I can do myself without taking any drugs. I really would like

some

> input from any of you.

> Thanks, Ina

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ina,

i would check into bowen therapy, check www.bowtech.com

for information including finding a practitioner. it really helped

me with a tendon problem. good luck.

sonya

Tendonitus

I went to the surgeon today to see what I needed to do after the

stitches were removed on Monday. Well I can't use my thumb for another

26 days (that is when I see him again) and possibly a lot longer. Also

he diagnosed me with tendonitis of my hands and that explains some of

the problems I have had with my hands. It appears I have it in my hands,

my left shoulder and right elbow. So now I have to learn what it is and

what I can do myself without taking any drugs. I really would like some

input from any of you.

Thanks, Ina

[Guest guest]

I don't work so I don't do any repetitive motion. I get most of my

problems when I sleep than it takes me sometimes half the day to get my

fingers straighten out again. So I do exercise my hands, arms and

shoulders as much as I can and I do it with my hands in warm water. So

far it hasn't helped me and I also had acupuncture done with any

results.

Ina

From what ive read Ina tensinitus is a direct result of muscle

contraction ( repetitive ) and not enough stretchign to countrtact

that.. There are many places who beelive it can be elleviated and

brought back to normal with a specific stretchign routine

[Guest guest]

Hi ina,

if you are doign any exercise do a good amount of light stretching

afterwards...

something like bowen therapy, rolfing ect coudl be of good benifit.

do a search of teh web for those 2 words and have a little read on

what they are about..

> I don't work so I don't do any repetitive motion. I get most of my

> problems when I sleep than it takes me sometimes half the day to

get my

> fingers straighten out again. So I do exercise my hands, arms and

> shoulders as much as I can and I do it with my hands in warm water.

So

> far it hasn't helped me and I also had acupuncture done with any

> results.

> Ina

>

> From what ive read Ina tensinitus is a direct result of muscle

> contraction ( repetitive ) and not enough stretchign to countrtact

> that.. There are many places who beelive it can be elleviated and

> brought back to normal with a specific stretchign routine

[Guest guest]

Thanks I checked the website out and there is one here in Nanaimo. I

will give her a call.

Ina

Hi Ina,

i would check into bowen therapy, check www.bowtech.com

for information including finding a practitioner. it really helped

me with a tendon problem. good luck.

sonya

[Guest guest]

I've had tendonitis off and on since I was about 14 or 15. I would get it so

bad, from doing my artwork usually, that my tendon would swell up the

length of my hand. Then when they put me on depro provera birth

control (seriously bad news!!!) at 18 I developed a ganglion cyst on my

tendon.

When I started switching to NT type diet with more fat, cut out sodas and

started lowering carbs the cyst finally starting going away, this was about

1 year ago. My wrist still bothers me from time to time and I can't do lots

of writing by hand or artwork without it cramping up sometimes, so I think

my body is still lacking something it needs.

They were going to do surgery for me except that they couldn't find " the

problem " and I got tired of them poking on me and making it ache for

days only to give me the " well you are fat and stupid " look. You know, or

maybe you don't, that 90% of doctors do not take overweight patients

seriously.

So, I don't have much to offer except what *seemed* to help mine get

better. =) I get pain maybe once a month now, though I am about to start

up my artwork again and then we'll see.

Dawn

> I went to the surgeon today to see what I needed to do after the

> stitches were removed on Monday. Well I can't use my thumb for another

> 26 days (that is when I see him again) and possibly a lot longer. Also

> he diagnosed me with tendonitis of my hands and that explains some of

> the problems I have had with my hands. It appears I have it in my

> hands, my left shoulder and right elbow. So now I have to learn what

> it is and what I can do myself without taking any drugs. I really

> would like some input from any of you. Thanks, Ina

[Guest guest]

>I don't work so I don't do any repetitive motion. I get most of my

>problems when I sleep than it takes me sometimes half the day to get my

>fingers straighten out again. So I do exercise my hands, arms and

>shoulders as much as I can and I do it with my hands in warm water. So

>far it hasn't helped me and I also had acupuncture done with any

>results.

>Ina

I don't remember who posted it, but someone posted a bit about megavitamins

and arthritis, and it prompted me to start taking some basic B vites twice

a day. You know, it seems to be working! Thank you, whoever posted that!

Also, if the problem is tetany (the muscles contract and won't un-contract) the

problem is usually calcium/magnesium deficiency. I don't absorb calcium

well at all, so I've been taking a lot of that twice a day and all the tetany is

gone now. I used to arrive at a place after driving and literally have to

peel my hand off the steering wheel ... scary.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi,How is tetany different from cramps? I get what I call cramps

but then again my toes will just kinda curl up and my feet will turn

like out of control. This happens when I am resting or in the wee

hours of the morning and I am just waking up. I will stretch and then

it happens. I always thought it was calcium deficiency. It still

happens although I take enough cal/mag, according to my researching

about cal/mag. Got most of my info from Krispin Sullivan's web site.

I take Carlson's brand. I am thinking that I may need to switch

brands.

Del

>

> >I don't work so I don't do any repetitive motion. I get most of my

> >problems when I sleep than it takes me sometimes half the day to

get my

> >fingers straighten out again. So I do exercise my hands, arms and

> >shoulders as much as I can and I do it with my hands in warm

water. So

> >far it hasn't helped me and I also had acupuncture done with any

> >results.

> >Ina

>

> I don't remember who posted it, but someone posted a bit about

megavitamins

> and arthritis, and it prompted me to start taking some basic B

vites twice

> a day. You know, it seems to be working! Thank you, whoever posted

that!

>

> Also, if the problem is tetany (the muscles contract and won't un-

contract) the

> problem is usually calcium/magnesium deficiency. I don't absorb

calcium

> well at all, so I've been taking a lot of that twice a day and all

the tetany is

> gone now. I used to arrive at a place after driving and literally

have to

> peel my hand off the steering wheel ... scary.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I take calcium/magnesium/zinc for muscle cramps and as long as I keep

it up it works great... also it is the only thing, besides naprosyn, that

prevents and stomps menstrual cramps for me. I used to get them so

bad I would turn white as a sheet and nearly pass out.

Dawn

> Heidi,How is tetany different from cramps? I get what I call cramps

> but then again my toes will just kinda curl up and my feet will turn

> like out of control. This happens when I am resting or in the wee

> hours of the morning and I am just waking up. I will stretch and then

> it happens. I always thought it was calcium deficiency. It still

> happens although I take enough cal/mag, according to my researching

> about cal/mag. Got most of my info from Krispin Sullivan's web site. I

> take Carlson's brand. I am thinking that I may need to switch brands.

>

> Del

>

[Guest guest]

:

>Heidi,How is tetany different from cramps? I get what I call cramps

>but then again my toes will just kinda curl up and my feet will turn

>like out of control. This happens when I am resting or in the wee

>hours of the morning and I am just waking up. I will stretch and then

>it happens. I always thought it was calcium deficiency. It still

>happens although I take enough cal/mag, according to my researching

>about cal/mag. Got most of my info from Krispin Sullivan's web site.

>I take Carlson's brand. I am thinking that I may need to switch

>brands.

That sounds like tetany to me. Tetany is what we used to call a

" Charlie horse " . I was getting it in my toes, fingers, and even

in my rib muscles. Usually in the AM, as you describe, and sometimes

in my sleep (it would wake me up).

If you get them even though you are taking cal/mag, you may

have an absorption problem. I do, I believe -- it is pretty

normal in people with gluten sensitivity (they also get

calcium deposits and osteoporosis -- very messed up calcium

usage for some reason). I just kept upping the calcium/mag/D levels

til the tetany went away, but if I skip 2 days it comes back.

I DO get out in the sun too, and eat things with natural calcium,

but I take about 2,400 mg of calcium on top of that. The calcium

also seems to help with migraines. I use a cheap brand -- Costco --

primarily because I have to take so darn MUCH of it!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

According to research, taking calcium/mag should stop the cramps.

Absorption is the problem. Which brand to you use?

Del

> I take calcium/magnesium/zinc for muscle cramps and as long as I

keep

> it up it works great... also it is the only thing, besides

naprosyn, that

> prevents and stomps menstrual cramps for me. I used to get them so

> bad I would turn white as a sheet and nearly pass out.

>

> Dawn

>

> > Heidi,How is tetany different from cramps? I get what I call

cramps

> > but then again my toes will just kinda curl up and my feet will

turn

> > like out of control. This happens when I am resting or in the wee

> > hours of the morning and I am just waking up. I will stretch and

then

> > it happens. I always thought it was calcium deficiency. It still

> > happens although I take enough cal/mag, according to my

researching

> > about cal/mag. Got most of my info from Krispin Sullivan's web

site. I

> > take Carlson's brand. I am thinking that I may need to switch

brands.

> >

> > Del

> >

[Guest guest]

Hiya, Del.

Well, I just bought some at Wal-Mart so the brand probably isn't great,

Nature Made, and I do either have a gluten problem, or a candida

problem that is causing gluten problems so my absorbtion of nutrients is

very poor (especially with the IBD). I am working on adding enzymes,

probiotics and fermented foods to help with this and the low carb also. I

forgot to take the supplements for the last week or so and only had

moderate menstrual cramps, so perhaps my low carb diet (which is gluten

free by default) is helping absorption.

> According to research, taking calcium/mag should stop the cramps.

> Absorption is the problem. Which brand to you use?

>

> Del

>

[Guest guest]

I am taking B vitamins in high doses and calcium/magnesium also. My

mother had the same problems and after a while she couldn't move them at

all, she had MS and died at 45. I have also had that my left hand looked

like an artificial hand (my friend called it this). It is scary that I

have so many symptoms the same. Well I like the name tendonitis so much

better and hope that it is this.

Ina

I don't remember who posted it, but someone posted a bit about

megavitamins

and arthritis, and it prompted me to start taking some basic B vites

twice

a day. You know, it seems to be working! Thank you, whoever posted that!

Also, if the problem is tetany (the muscles contract and won't

un-contract) the

problem is usually calcium/magnesium deficiency. I don't absorb calcium

well at all, so I've been taking a lot of that twice a day and all the

tetany is

gone now. I used to arrive at a place after driving and literally have

to

peel my hand off the steering wheel ... scary.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

That is awful that they treat people that way. I have been lucky that

the doctors I have are very nice, but I know how it was when I weight 60

lbs more.

Ina

I've had tendonitis off and on since I was about 14 or 15. I would get

it so

bad, from doing my artwork usually, that my tendon would swell up the

length of my hand. Then when they put me on depro provera birth

control (seriously bad news!!!) at 18 I developed a ganglion cyst on my

tendon.

When I started switching to NT type diet with more fat, cut out sodas

and

started lowering carbs the cyst finally starting going away, this was

about

1 year ago. My wrist still bothers me from time to time and I can't do

lots

of writing by hand or artwork without it cramping up sometimes, so I

think

my body is still lacking something it needs.

They were going to do surgery for me except that they couldn't find " the

problem " and I got tired of them poking on me and making it ache for

days only to give me the " well you are fat and stupid " look. You know,

or

maybe you don't, that 90% of doctors do not take overweight patients

seriously.

So, I don't have much to offer except what *seemed* to help mine get

better. =) I get pain maybe once a month now, though I am about to

start

up my artwork again and then we'll see.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

I can chime in here. I have been battling this problem of cramps and

my feet and toes wanting to go in a direction of their own accord

too. This happens mostly in the early morning as I awake and start to

stretch but also during the day when I have my feet propped up (not

often)and sometimes when I am driving. I have also been taking a lot

of cal/mag and cod liver oil. This has been going on for a few years

now. I took it by taking more cal then mag and then more mag than

cal.Then equal doses. I have also taken more than the maxium amount

that I should take according to me weight. Nothing seems to help! It

is so odd because some days it won't happen and sometimes it will be

on a day that I did not take the supplements! I have not taken the

clo for the summer. I am ready to think about it being something else

or either I need to take a different product. My researching has led

me to be careful taking CLO. You can take too much and you need to be

sure you need it when you start to take it. I just had my levels

checked for cal/mag/vit D and it came back " normal " Absorbing was

another thing I thought was a problem for me but since my levels are

normal ...maybe not. Below is a segment from WAPF " ask the Doctor "

about cramps. The doctor talks about lactic acid build-up in the

muscle tissue. Apparently (according to him) cramps are caused by

lactic acid build-up with strenuous exercise. Except I don't do

strenuous exercise! Walking mostly is all I do. Now I just have to

find a fermented something that I like. I didn't like the kimchee.

Nobody in my family did.....It doesn't have to be kimchee does it?

Here is the segment..

....The other cause of cramps can be strenuous exercise, which causes

lactic acid, the byproduct of muscle metabolism, to build up in the

muscle tissue. The purpose of the lactic acid buildup is to shut off

these contractions. It is the signal the body uses to inform the

muscles that they have exerted themselves enough. Clearly, as you

increase your exercise tolerance, you will be able to exercise longer

before the lactic acid builds up to sufficient levels to shut down

the contractions through cramps. Athletes are always looking for ways

to increase the ability of their muscles to contract before cramps

occur.

Recently, there was a report that the Brigham Young football team has

come up with a novel solution to this problem. Before each game,

again at halftime and once again after the game, each player is

required to drink a small glass of pickle juice. According to the

training staff, the once common problem of cramping during the games

has disappeared.

This is a very interesting and somewhat paradoxical solution to the

problem of cramps —although one that should come as no surprise to

our readers—because pickles and other fermented vegetables contain

lactic acid, the very chemical thought to be the culprit.

How is it that drinking lactic acid actually prevents cramps, which

otherwise are caused by the body's own overproduction of this

chemical? Unfortunately, the answer is still a bit of a mystery. My

own guess is that the slight acidifying effect of oral lactic acid

makes the calcium and magnesium more available to the body, allowing

it to produce more alkaline substances, which in turn neutralize the

lactic acid buildup in the muscles....

Del

[Guest guest]

>Now I just have to

>find a fermented something that I like. I didn't like the kimchee.

>Nobody in my family did.....It doesn't have to be kimchee does it?

What kind of kimchi? My DH doesn't like mine at all -- I make him

a special batch with dill and no pepper or ginger and just a little

garlic. Also people like it if it is less sour, usually. Or make some

kefir and use it in a smoothie -- everyone likes smoothies. I didn't

know about the pickle juice though -- that is interesting.

However, pickles in the US usually have acetic acid, not lactic

acid? Commercial pickles are usually made by pouring hot

vinegar over cucumbers, not fermenting them. If " the pickle cure "

worked for the athletes, and they used commercial pickles, then

probably ACV would work too?

It wouldn't surprise me -- vinegar gets rid of hiccups too, which

are something of a " cramping " kind of thing.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Speaking of pickles! I need to start making real fermented ones, but I

bought my old favorites, Claussen... munching away. Thought to check

the ingredients today... High Fructose Corn Syrup!!! Why?? They didn't

used to put that in there?? =(

When I read that article I assumed it was fermented pickles, but so much

for assumptions. =)

Also, you could just make saurkraut ?

Dawn

> What kind of kimchi? My DH doesn't like mine at all -- I make him a

> special batch with dill and no pepper or ginger and just a little

> garlic. Also people like it if it is less sour, usually. Or make some

> kefir and use it in a smoothie -- everyone likes smoothies. I didn't

> know about the pickle juice though -- that is interesting.

>

> However, pickles in the US usually have acetic acid, not lactic

> acid? Commercial pickles are usually made by pouring hot

> vinegar over cucumbers, not fermenting them. If " the pickle cure "

> worked for the athletes, and they used commercial pickles, then

> probably ACV would work too?

>

> It wouldn't surprise me -- vinegar gets rid of hiccups too, which are

> something of a " cramping " kind of thing.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I used the kimchee recipe in NT. The only changes I made was to NOT

use the radish, use less ginger and I added some red bell pepper. Did

not like it at all! Maybe I would like dill kimchee?? But I don't

like dill pickles. Maybe if I make them they will be better than the

commercial ones?? I don't like having kefir after a meal either, too

filling. I usually have about a cup of it at night, before I go to

bed. To be better effective, does it have to be eaten after a meal??

My first thought after reading what Dr Cowan wrote was that he was

referring to the lactic acid in the pickles, so yea, fermented

pickles, not commercial is what I thought too. I guess he does know

that it's acetic acid in commercial pickles?? That changes the whole

article??!

Also I did some researching about lactic acid and to me it seems like

a person can get those cramps with either not enough OR too strenuous

exercise. Am I right or wrong in this thinking?

Maybe I should try drinking a glass of AVC in water before bed.

Except that it is supposed to be sipped and I like my kefir before

bed. I did drink a little last night. Didn't help. I have in the past

drank a glass of celtic sea salt in water (trace minerals) before

bed. Didn't help...

Del

>

> >Now I just have to

> >find a fermented something that I like. I didn't like the kimchee.

> >Nobody in my family did.....It doesn't have to be kimchee does it?

>

> What kind of kimchi? My DH doesn't like mine at all -- I make him

> a special batch with dill and no pepper or ginger and just a little

> garlic. Also people like it if it is less sour, usually. Or make

some

> kefir and use it in a smoothie -- everyone likes smoothies. I didn't

> know about the pickle juice though -- that is interesting.

>

> However, pickles in the US usually have acetic acid, not lactic

> acid? Commercial pickles are usually made by pouring hot

> vinegar over cucumbers, not fermenting them. If " the pickle cure "

> worked for the athletes, and they used commercial pickles, then

> probably ACV would work too?

>

> It wouldn't surprise me -- vinegar gets rid of hiccups too, which

> are something of a " cramping " kind of thing.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

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I don't know that this will help rapidly, but a high dose of a good quality

chondroitin sulfate supplement is definitely worth trying. I recommend the

LEF's (www.lef.org).

>If you've got any ideas, I would

>appreciate hearing it.

-

[Guest guest]

>What I want to know is if

>anyone on this list knows of any specific nutritional remedy that would

>ease the pain and help it heal faster. If you've got any ideas, I would

>appreciate hearing it.

>

>

Really, really low tech, but what works for me is:

1. Get a bag (make one out of cotton).

2. Fill it loosely with a few cups of flax seeds

(cheap at the coop -- they sell em for horse food).

3. Add your favorite herb (eucalyptus and peppermint for me).

4. Sew it up.

Put it in the microwave for 2 minutes to heat up (Ok, yeah, it's

the microwave but you are NOT eating it!). You can buy these

premade at crafts fairs around here, and probably over the

Internet. The commercial ones, with plastic beads, made me

feel weird though and I just couldn't get into them. Ditto

for electric hot pads, they aren't the same.

Snuggle it up against the sore spot. Obviously: be careful

about burns, don't let it get too hot.

This increases the circulation at the spot and tends

to speed healing. I'm not sure with tendonitis ... I used to get

it constantly when I was eating gluten but I don't know if

it was the gluten or the lack of cal/mag/d. I'd get it whenever

I didn't wear padded shoes ... now I go barefoot a lot and

there are no problems, but I don't know what all the issues are.

I'd certainly play with diet though, before having surgery. Some of

the food-allergy type problems damage the connective tissue or

cause " unkown pain " and I know people who just keep getting

surgery after surgery and no one knows what is going on. If they

can SEE the damage and it's easily fixed though, that might

be different.

Another thing that helps is steroids ... well, you don't want

to take them as pills, but if you use the OTHER arm to lift

weights, or do squats or something slow and strenous, then you'll

get more circulating steroids. Worst thing is bedrest. I bought

an Air cast when I was getting sprains, and their literature said

they did studies on athletes ... sprains heal faster when the

athlete KEEPS TRAINING -- if the sprain is properly supported.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

In 1973 my hubby and I bicycled with a group from Lansing to Mackinac,

nearly 400 miles. About an hour out Lansing I ran my bike off a drop off

from the pavement to the shoulder. Dumped the bike and sprained my left

ankle. I had paid too much money for the privilege of torturing myself with

such a long (for me) ride, so I picked up the undamaged bike and kept

riding. It hurt like the dickens for the first few turns of the pedal, then

it didn't hurt until I got off and tried to walk.

Everyone said I should go to the doctor, but I decided that I couldn't ride

the bike flat on my back with my foot in the air, so I kept going. Because I

couldn't walk on that foot I stayed very close t o my bike, using it as a

crutch.

Today that ankle bothers me not the slightest. If I didn't remember the

incident I'd never know it happened.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

[snip] Worst thing is bedrest. I bought

an Air cast when I was getting sprains, and their literature said

they did studies on athletes ... sprains heal faster when the

athlete KEEPS TRAINING -- if the sprain is properly supported.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

st. john's wort oil helps with soft tissue injuries and often also lessens

the pain. you just massage it right in. you might also try tiger balm or

liquid form called zhen X X (i have to go upstairs and check out what the

second two words are.) my husband tore his rotator cuff and just treated it

nice and easy for a few months, then worked on strengthening the area

slowly with weight-lifting. he's fine now, and doesn't have any trouble

wrangling the animals or tossing hay bales or whatever.

[Guest guest]

About 6 or so years ago I had a really bad shoulder. Dr called it

Bursitis and a " frozen shoulder " . Therapy and pills wouldn't help at

all. Worst was at nite, couldn't sleep at all. Finally I found a little

chinese lady in a HFS that recommended MSM. It was pretty new at the

time and not many had heard of it yet. I put a tsp in my coffee several

times a day. After just a few days the pain went away. It was even

better when I added bromillian tabs and ginger to my routine.

The pain was gone but I still couldn't move the shoulder much. That's

where the chiropractor did wonders.

Here is where I get my MSM

https://secure3.super-nova.net/msm-msm/shop/boutique.html

I get the 55 lb drum about once a year.

If you try the Bromilian (pineapple) look for the highest dose you can

find. GNC has a tab that's 1500 GDU/gram or somewhere in that range.

Take it between meals or it will just work to digest your food, not ease

the pain.

I really like ginger too but it can give you heartburn until you get

used to it. Take just one tab 2 or 3 times a day and build up to 2 tabs

2 or 3 times a day.

Carol K

>Message: 9

> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:34:31 -0700

> From: Long <longc@...>

>Subject: tendonitus

>

>I hurt my shoulder at work and my boss made me go to the doctor. He said it

>was probably tendonitus and should get better in 2-4 weeks. If not, it was

>probably a torn rotator cuff and they would do an MRI most likely followed

>by surgery. He said I should take ibuprofen (which I won't) and gave me a

>prescription for Vicoden for the pain which is pretty bad. I have no

>intention of getting the prescription filled. What I want to know is if

>anyone on this list knows of any specific nutritional remedy that would

>ease the pain and help it heal faster. If you've got any ideas, I would

>appreciate hearing it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Chondroitin glucosamine or glucosamine sulfate is the thing with athletes

for joint problems. Even my daughters orthopedic surgeon recommends it. I

don't know if that is the same that is talking about or not. I am

pretty certain though the main nutrient believed most helpful is the

glucosamine. In sports medicine, the thing now is to apply cold when the

injury occurs to minimize blood flow and swelling. Then afterwards, you

alternate between cold and hot again affecting blood flow and swelling which

helps with pain. Also on the WAP site, they talk about bone broth soups

being helpful for joints including cartilage because of the proline and

glycine. The pain comes from the trauma and injury so all the help healing

that will help the pain.

There is another forum (Alternative_Medicine_Forum). A naturopath (JoAnn

Guest) moderates and posts frequently there. Sometime in the last year or

so, she posted a list of foods with particular nutrients that help pain. I

cannot find that post now and am limited in time to search- the only one I

remember is pineapple which contains the bromillian that Carol mentioned.

You might consider joining that group and asking her

I know too that athletes like Motrin 800 mgs (prescription) and Vioxx. I

wouldn't push perscription meds but my daughter dislocated her shoulder back

some years ago and I still remember the pain that went with it. We learned

what is involved if one does have surgery. Her MRI showed no tear to the

rotator cuff, just stretched tendons. So we did not do surgery but she

later tore her ACL and did have surgery. That was one of those experiences

that I thanked God for codine. You have my empathy. A lot of physical

therapy strenghtened the tendons in her arm but she never regained the

control she had before. They are still longer than they should be. It only

shows in overhand movement - she can throw a ball underhand just fine but

cannot control her accruacy and has insufficient force when she throws

overhand.

Sorry that happened to you.