Re: for heidi (or anyone) more questions

[Guest guest]

thanks for all that info. u are a great source for me.

how do u use the kefir on your " chicken food?'

i looked up Wyndham soapworks and could not find the kefir grains on it.

while searching i found this VERY helpful site: Are u aware of them?

http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlist.php

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>thank u so much heidi for all of your contributions. i had never heard of

kefir before 2 weeks ago, and did not hear of NT book before a month ago. i am

obsessed with the book and it feels " right. " anyway, i looked up kefir on the

net and found this site. it seems very informative and even gives a kefir

recipe. will u look it over for me and tell me what u think (and what u agree

or disagree) on.

>http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/mall/kefir_culture.ASP

Well, thanks!

I love WFM, and I get my coconut oil from them, but their kefir cultures are the

powdered

kind that you have to buy over and over. That is against my goal of buying less

....

my own bandwagon ... and when you own " kefir grains " you can make as

much kefir as you want without EVER buying anything but milk/cream again.

Actually my

little kefir grains supply:

1. My Jerky fermentation starter

2. My sour cream

3. My chicken food

4. My DH's desserts (kefir on sherbet)

5. Baking moisture (makes better cakes)

6. Whey production (sinusitus etc.)

7. My beer

8. " Mayo " for salads

9. More kefir grains for friends.

The grains are like little animals, they grow! So you have an infinite

supply, if you don't kill them accidentally (there are lots of sad

stories about that -- so get a friend addicted so you can replenish

your supply).

The " starter cultures " only work for a few batches, then you have

to buy more. This isn't " real " kefir, though it is quick and easy

for those who don't want to deal with the live grains.

GEM cultures and Wyndham soapworks both have REAL grains

for a reasonable price. Dom's website, which I never can keep

handy but is easily found (search: Dom kefir) will give you all

the info you could ever need.

Kefir really is fun and useful. It takes some getting used to,

but we couldn't do without it now ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>thanks for all that info. u are a great source for me.

You are welcome.

>how do u use the kefir on your " chicken food?'

I keep a bucket with some kefir and water in it. I toss

in scraps all day, sometimes for two-three days, then

feed it to the chickens. The kefir ferments the leftovers,

and keeps them from smelling!

>i looked up Wyndham soapworks and could not find the kefir grains on it.

Hmm. Well, then gemcultures ...

>while searching i found this VERY helpful site: Are u aware of them?

<http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlist.php>http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/k\

efir/kefirlist.php

Nice idea!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

That's great Heidi. Do you notice getting mroe eggs than other folks? I

read a study that found that probiotic and enzyme supplementation didn't affect

quality of eggs but was found to increase egg production.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Wyndham Soapworks

http://www.wyndhamsoapworks.com/thesoapbasket/agora.cgi?cart_id= & product=Pro

biotics

> From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

> Reply-

> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:22:43 -0700

>

> Subject: Re: for heidi (or anyone) more questions

>

>

>> thanks for all that info. u are a great source for me.

>

> You are welcome.

>

>> how do u use the kefir on your " chicken food?'

>

> I keep a bucket with some kefir and water in it. I toss

> in scraps all day, sometimes for two-three days, then

> feed it to the chickens. The kefir ferments the leftovers,

> and keeps them from smelling!

>

>

>> i looked up Wyndham soapworks and could not find the kefir grains on it.

>

> Hmm. Well, then gemcultures ...

>

>> while searching i found this VERY helpful site: Are u aware of them?

>> <http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlist.php>http://www.rejoiceinlife.co

>> m/kefir/kefirlist.php

>

> Nice idea!

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>That's great Heidi. Do you notice getting mroe eggs than other folks? I

>read a study that found that probiotic and enzyme supplementation didn't affect

>quality of eggs but was found to increase egg production.

>

>Chris

Actually they do lay more when they get kefir -- but I don't know if that is

because

they are happy or because of something intrinsic to kefir. " Bad " bacteria are

a problem for chickens though -- the experts think their systems work so hard

fighting bacteria that they grow slower, which is why they commonly get

antibiotics in their feed. I figure the kefir bacteria do the same thing -- wipe

out

the salmonella etc. that is endemic to chickens.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/6/03 5:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Actually they do lay more when they get kefir -- but I don't know if that

> is because

> they are happy or because of something intrinsic to kefir. " Bad " bacteria

> are

> a problem for chickens though -- the experts think their systems work so

> hard

> fighting bacteria that they grow slower, which is why they commonly get

> antibiotics in their feed. I figure the kefir bacteria do the same thing --

> wipe out

> the salmonella etc. that is endemic to chickens.

>

No contact with soil probably hurts too on the factory farms. B Subtilis

spores prevent salmonella.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>No contact with soil probably hurts too on the factory farms. B Subtilis

>spores prevent salmonella.

>

>Chris

Ha. I didn't know that. Well, they sure contact the soil! Besides eating

in it and wading in the mud on occasion, they LOVE dust baths.

-- Heidi