Re: The French Riviera Diet

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi,

I am kinda late to the party as I just got around to reading all the

posts on the Warrior Diet (french riviera diet). My first time to

hear of it. Sounds great to me and I would like to be apart of it.

Don't know if my tummy will allow me to but will try (Acturally I

have been improving)I have some questions though. During the

undereating phase should you feel hunger pangs? How much time should

be between the last thing you ate during undereating and when you

start overeating?

I started out trying it today but it fell through as I got very

hungry. I started off with some watermelon first thing. A couple

hours later I had to have my usual eggs with cream, butter and

coconut oil. Couple hours after that was strawberries. 2 hours later

I was hungry again, so I had cheese. 2 hours later was crispy

almonds. Then it was more strawberries. I realize I broke the diet

when I had the eggs but hey! I was trying! Then at 3:30 all @#% & *

broke loose and I ate...a mcdonald's hamburger, french fries, sprite

and blue bell ice cream. Now, I have not been to mcdonald's in over 5

years!! I have to be desparate to go to a fast food! This morning I

left to go on a 7 hour round trip to get raw dairy products and just

did not take enough food with me! I will try again tomorrow! I think

this is a good diet and that it will work! So don't be discouraged by

what happened to me today. I just didn't plan good enough!

Thanks,

Del

>

> OK, prompted by this illustrious crew (thanks!) I have

> snarfed up the domain " frenchrivieradiet.com " . So ...

> who wants to be part of the FRD experiment? All

> that is required is that you stick to the FRD for a couple

> of weeks (or however long you like) and report your

> results. I won't publish your name unless you say it

> is ok, but I will report the summary of the results.

> Or you can be public here (or on another group list,

> depending how everyone feels).

>

> Here's how I'm defining the FRD:

>

> You should eat similarly to a busy person in the Mediterranean

> might have, that is:

>

> 1. Eat little during the day. You can eat some fresh fruits and

> vegies or juices. A salad with some olive oil is ok for lunch.

>

> 2. You can eat a small amount of meat or kefir during the

> day too. One 8 oz glass of kefir or 6 oz of meat, or 1 oz

> of jerky. But no starches or sugar during the day (except fruit).

> Use your own judgment: the idea is to keep the blood sugar

> from fluctuating.

>

> 3. Eat most of your food about 3-4 hours before bedtime.

> Eat a nice long multi-course meal, including:

>

> -- Starter courses (one of more of the following):

> - appetizers (low on starch ones)

> - non-starchy vegies (salad, roasted greens with olive oil, etc)

> - Dairy/Cheese/Egg dishes (omlettes, fondues, raclette, kefir)

> - Soups and broths.

>

> -- Meat course

>

> -- Starch course (potatos, beans, breads) (optional)

>

> -- Dessert course (optional) -- nuts, creams, cobblers, chocolate

>

>

> Or your own variation on the theme. Use of NT-friendly foods

> is encouraged. Wine with dinner is ok. Keep a log and your

> progress. It is all an experiment -- it works or it does not!

> If it takes too much willpower, then it didn't work! I'm aiming

> for a lifestyle that ordinary humans can *enjoy* and not

> be fat. Suggestions welcome.

>

> Sound like a good experiment? Everyone is welcome. If it works

> then I'll set up the website and we'll publish to the world ...

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Since I cut out the gluten, I have been eating kinda like this only

no fruit and raw veggies through out the day. It's been to start the

day with cooked eggs, either over easy or scrambled with cream/good

fat amd a glass of my acv/honey drink. That will hold me for at least

4 hours. Then I usually snack the rest of the day until supper with

crispy nuts, nut butter, rice cake, cheese, yoghurt, kefiili and more

avc/honey drink. My weight has dropped a little. A little is all it

needed to drop. It seems like every time I would try a piece of fruit

or veggie I would get diarrhea. So I went from basicaly being a fruit

and salad person/good oils and little protein (before NT) to a

protein and fat person and not able to eat fruit and raw veggies!

Neither sound good to me but I just can't eat a lot of food! I would

sure like to be able to eat with more varity and still feel like I am

getting in all the good fat/protein/carbs I need. On this diet are

you eating any fat like a spoonful of coconut oil with the

fruit/veggies? I have always thought it best to have some good oils

alone with fruit and raw veggies.

So it sounds like we would be shrinking our stomachs in order to

receive less food. The less we eat the less we need to eat..and at

first there will be headaches, pangs of hungry etc until you get used

to it..

During the day we would be aiming to be able to just eat a piece of

fruit/veggie throughout the day and 6 oz protein...no good oils and

No plate of salad or anything that resembles a meal.

This end of the day meal takes many hours to shop for and prepare on

a daily basic. What happens when the person preparing this feast

cannot do it for some reason? I am in a one cook family....me! Do you

think we could come up with some " meals " that would take very little

time to prepare and still be within the guidelines of this way of

eating.

Talking for me only, there is not enough hours in the day to eat all

that I feel I need to eat for the nutrition I need. I try to get most

all my nutrition from food. With this I would be eating less but with

more varity...good. Eating less protein which I have been eating more

than my share lately...good.

Just some thoughts that have some up when thinking about this WOE...

Del

>

> >Hi Heidi,

> >I am kinda late to the party as I just got around to reading all

the

> >posts on the Warrior Diet (french riviera diet). My first time to

> >hear of it. Sounds great to me and I would like to be apart of it.

>

> Cool!

>

> >Don't know if my tummy will allow me to but will try (Acturally I

> >have been improving)I have some questions though. During the

> >undereating phase should you feel hunger pangs? How much time

should

> >be between the last thing you ate during undereating and when you

> >start overeating?

>

> I'd listen to your body. I got REALLY GROUCHY the first day and a

little

> spacy, so I just snacked on blueberries (someone had given me a

whole flat

> of them!) and bananas and jerky as needed. And lots of water. Next

day

> I didn't need so many. Day after that, less. Day after that, a bowl

of broth

> with half a chicken leg filled me up! I'm just starting this

myself, so I

> don't know for sure. I'm guessing you get used to it, as long as

your body

> is convinced dinner is coming in the evening. I haven't skipped

meals before

> in my whole life though, so it is a new thing! An experiment.

>

> I start the " overeating " phase in the evening -- I don't worry

about how much

> time has passed. I'm going on the philosophy of my experience in

Spain ...

> suppose you had to cook up a rabbit/deer for dinner every night,

and that involved

> collecting herbs etc, skinning the rabbit, building a fire ... so

you do all that

> work in the afternoon, and eat whenever it gets done. Meanwhile you

are snacking

> on the herbs and berries and whatever you are working with (this is

the

> female version, not the " warrior " version!).

>

> Dinner gets done and you all eat, like a Thanksgiving feast, all

nice and hot

> and roasted.

>

>

> >I started out trying it today but it fell through as I got very

> >hungry. I started off with some watermelon first thing. A couple

> >hours later I had to have my usual eggs with cream, butter and

> >coconut oil. Couple hours after that was strawberries. 2 hours

later

> >I was hungry again, so I had cheese. 2 hours later was crispy

> >almonds. Then it was more strawberries. I realize I broke the diet

> >when I had the eggs but hey! I was trying! Then at 3:30 all @#% & *

> >broke loose and I ate...a mcdonald's hamburger, french fries,

sprite

> >and blue bell ice cream. Now, I have not been to mcdonald's in

over 5

> >years!! I have to be desparate to go to a fast food! This morning

I

> >left to go on a 7 hour round trip to get raw dairy products and

just

> >did not take enough food with me! I will try again tomorrow! I

think

> >this is a good diet and that it will work! So don't be discouraged

by

> >what happened to me today. I just didn't plan good enough!

>

> Thanks for sharing your experience! That is the idea ... what

happens to real

> people. My first day I yelled at my DH -- I never do that either!

It is interesting

> though, because I WAS eating a fair amount, fruit and jerky but

that wasn't enough.

> Maybe because it doesn't affect your blood sugar much -- I was

missing my normal

> morning hash browns!

>

> I'm not sure if eggs and cheese should count or not. They don't

affect your

> blood sugar much, but they are foods that can be problematic. Since

part of the

> goal is to be " easy " , I think cheese would be ok. Almonds have some

starch in

> them, so they would not be ok eventually. Maybe there should be

a " break in "

> period for a week where you can have nuts and cheese and eggs etc.

>

> My goal is to eat as little during the day as possible, but I don't

think I can get

> there very quickly. However, all I've had are grouchy/hungry

spells. I have not

> had any migraines or " faint " spells that are my typical " low blood

sugar " symptoms.

> Also -- I started the diet with a feast the night before. I.e. I

pigged out AFTER eating

> all day, so I started on a full stomach, and I ate slow-digesting

stuff (a big steak).

>

> Today I was driving all day and I was concerned about my

concentration. I didn't

> have any problems though. I ate 3 pieces of jerky and a banana, and

had a bowl

> of broth with half a chicken thigh (about 2 oz chicken) for

breakfast.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>

> >On this diet are

> >you eating any fat like a spoonful of coconut oil with the

> >fruit/veggies? I have always thought it best to have some good

oils

> >alone with fruit and raw veggies.

>

> I usually have something fried in coconut oil (granted this

> has only been a week). I love fried greens or fried hash browns.

> And I put olive oil on my salads. But I'm trying to fast during

> the day as much as possible ... my body has plenty of good fats

> it can use during the day, and I want to force it to use them.

> The vegies are just to keep my stomach busy -- jerky too, the

> protein keeps my hunger pangs down.

---I am so confused, In the first paragraph I was talking about

during the day when you are trying to eat less and you eat fruits and

veggies. At that time do you also eat some good fat like coconut oil

with the fruits and veggies?---

>

> >So it sounds like we would be shrinking our stomachs in order to

> >receive less food. The less we eat the less we need to eat..and at

> >first there will be headaches, pangs of hungry etc until you get

used

> >to it..

>

> Right, though I don't think it's just a matter of " shrinking " . I

think

> it is an issue of using " carbs " vs. using " fats " . Normally your body

> uses carbs for intense exercise, and uses fats for day-to-day

energy.

> But if your body is used to getting carbs, it seems to switch to

carb

> mode and keeps the fats locked up -- which is why some of us

> go " hypoglycemic " -- we can't access the fats even though there

> are pounds and pounds of them!

>

> The whole theory behind Atkins is that you force your body into

> " fat " mode by going ketogenic. The theory here is the same, but

> you do it *without* going ketogenic. That difference is important

> to me, because I just don't think I could live my life on a low

> carb diet *forever* and that is exactly the point that my friends

> have failed on Atkins. They ditch the diet because they just MUST

> have a potato or three. Since there are plenty of skinny people

> in the world who *do* eat lots of potatoes, I think it should

> be possible to switch to fat-burning mode *without* ketogenesis

> and without starving.

>

> You don't want to *starve* yourself either, because then your

> body starts burning protein -- muscle -- which is also bad.

----I understand the above that the need is to burn fats but to keep

your body burning fats instead of carbs; you eat only fruits and

veggies and no fats during the day and you get all your fats at night

when you over eat??

>

>

> >During the day we would be aiming to be able to just eat a piece

of

> >fruit/veggie throughout the day and 6 oz protein...no good oils

and

> >No plate of salad or anything that resembles a meal.

>

> Thing is, if you are already about the correct weight for yourself,

> it probably doesn't matter so much? Except maybe for energy level.

> Digestion is a lot of work for your body, so the less food the

> better. Oils don't seem to be much " work " though, in my

> experience. Starches are the worst.

----So this is mostly to lose weight, not as a WOE (way of eating)

for a life time?----

>

>

> >This end of the day meal takes many hours to shop for and prepare

on

> >a daily basic. What happens when the person preparing this feast

> >cannot do it for some reason? I am in a one cook family....me! Do

you

> >think we could come up with some " meals " that would take very

little

> >time to prepare and still be within the guidelines of this way of

> >eating.

>

> That's what my cookbook is about. My favorite meal is a plate

> of hashbrowns and some meat ... fried hashbrowns or greens take

> me about 10 minutes, max. The meat I pre-cook. Yesterday I cooked

> a tongue, and I'll have that for dinner for the next 5 days or so.

> Or I cook a mess of chicken and eat that all week. I have a big

> container of broth in the fridge, and I just spoon out some with

> a bit of chicken, boil it, and pour it into a bowl over some kimchi

> (or shredded veggies, like chopped onions or sprouts).

--- I can not imagine cooking that much! I know you cook for, what is

it, 8 adults! When I try to cook enough for 2 days for 3 people, it

will get all eaten on the first night! It looked to me like a lot of

food!----

>

> I've been eating 3 " courses " so it doesn't take much time, really.

> A broth before I start cooking. Some fried or baked greens (which

> I can make at the same time as the meat). A baked/hash brown

> potato. And yesterday some coconut ice cream from the freezer,

> day before that some popcorn with the family. It's about what

> I always eat, just spaced out a little more. In the past I usually

> ate the starches first!

>

> >Talking for me only, there is not enough hours in the day to eat

all

> >that I feel I need to eat for the nutrition I need. I try to get

most

> >all my nutrition from food. With this I would be eating less but

with

> >more varity...good. Eating less protein which I have been eating

more

> >than my share lately...good.

>

> What do you mean by " more nutrition " ? I'm not sure myself -- I know

> with this diet I'm not eating near as many calories, and I'm not

hungry

> for more either -- when I get to my desired weight, will my hunger

> increase? I figure with all the greens and oils and meat though,

there

> is plenty of nutrition in terms of protein and vitamins.

----I dunno either, it just seems for me, there my not be enough oils

anyway. I think I need more oils because I am older. I don't feel as

you do that I have enough fats in my body although I eat a lot of

fat! So for me being the weight I want, I should eat my fruits and

veggies with some fat during the day. Do you agree with that?----

So far today I have had some watermelon/1/2 teaspoon coconut oil, 1/2

banana/1/2 teaspoon of coconut oil, 3 strawberries 1/2 teaspoon

coconut oil, another 1/2 banana with 1/2 teaspoon coconut oil and a

decreased amount of my regular eggs, cream and coconut oil. I still

have the afternoon to go. Feeling okay!

I have to drink more broth. I don't even think about it most of the

time.

>

> >Just some thoughts that have some up when thinking about this

WOE...

>

> Is WOE and acronym or is life awful? LOL! way of eating.

>

> -- Heidi

----Del

[Guest guest]

Great idea!

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:52:20 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> OK, prompted by this illustrious crew (thanks!) I have

> snarfed up the domain " frenchrivieradiet.com " . So ...

> who wants to be part of the FRD experiment? All

> that is required is that you stick to the FRD for a couple

> of weeks (or however long you like) and report your

> results. I won't publish your name unless you say it

> is ok, but I will report the summary of the results.

> Or you can be public here (or on another group list,

> depending how everyone feels).

>

<snip>

> Or your own variation on the theme. Use of NT-friendly foods

> is encouraged. Wine with dinner is ok. Keep a log and your

> progress. It is all an experiment -- it works or it does not!

> If it takes too much willpower, then it didn't work! I'm aiming

> for a lifestyle that ordinary humans can *enjoy* and not

> be fat. Suggestions welcome.

>

> Sound like a good experiment? Everyone is welcome. If it works

> then I'll set up the website and we'll publish to the world ...

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>

> >---I am so confused, In the first paragraph I was talking about

> >during the day when you are trying to eat less and you eat fruits

and

> >veggies. At that time do you also eat some good fat like coconut

oil

> >with the fruits and veggies?---

>

> Sorry. I am meandering. I'm not eating much fat during the day,

> except for a little oil on my salad and the fat in the jerky and

soup.

---I understand meandering, I do that a lot! No problem. I am getting

the picture.

>

>

>

> >----I understand the above that the need is to burn fats but to

keep

> >your body burning fats instead of carbs; you eat only fruits and

> >veggies and no fats during the day and you get all your fats at

night

> >when you over eat??

>

> I'm not sure fats matter -- this is something to experiment with.

> In the Warrior Diet, the diet is supposed to be pretty low fat,

> it sounds like (?), at least the meats are low fat. I'm

> not following that rule, because by NT standards, fats are good.

> Fats don't influence your insulin one way or the other.

You are saying that you are not sure fats matter in the case of

trying to lose weight, right?

>

> Now for ME, I want to lose weight, so I think it is better to

> eat less fat during the day. But you don't sound like you

> have any fat to lose, so it probably doesn't matter? My

> focus has been on weight loss and keeping my energy

> going during the day -- I'm not sure what I would be doing

> if I was actually *skinny* !

---Okay, I understand. I don't call myself skinny either because all

my life I have fought the battle of the bulge. For me I just want to

have energy and stay a decent weight without the tummy problems!

Right now I only weight about 110 lbs because I can't eat that much

with the tummy problems. Getting better thought, I think so I have to

watch it!

>

>

> >----So this is mostly to lose weight, not as a WOE (way of eating)

> >for a life time?----

>

> I don't know the answer to that. My main concern is weight

gain/loss,

> but it may be a better way to live. Makes mice live longer, anyway.

> It's obvious that *something* about American diets doesn't work,

> even when you substitute healthy food, and the food frequency

> issue could be key. Eating is a big stress on the body -- even good

> foods have to be " handled " properly or they become toxic. Maybe

> it's like watering plants -- if you water them all the time they

rot,

> they have to dry out in between.

I am all for finding a better way to eat and you have made a good

point!

>

> You'd be a good test case for that though -- if you are normal

> weight and feel better eating once a day (after you get used to

> it) then that will be a good test!

Today wasn't bad! By 4pm I was hungry and planning supper. Now,

supper is over and I am feeling pretty full and my tummy is rolling.

It started with the salad. I had not been eating any raw veggies. The

raw veggies and raw fruits seem to bother me!

>

> I feel better eating this way, but since I have major blood sugar

> issues it's probably because of the blood sugar issues, so

> I'm not a good test case for " normal " people.

No blood sugar problems here! Sounds perfect for people with sugar

problems..

>

>

> >--- I can not imagine cooking that much! I know you cook for, what

is

> >it, 8 adults! When I try to cook enough for 2 days for 3 people,

it

> >will get all eaten on the first night! It looked to me like a lot

of

> >food!----

>

> The stuff I cook for *me* isn't for 5 people though. No one eats

> tongue but me! I still cook lunch daily, and my family eats leftover

> lunch for dinner, usually. I do too, if I feel like it. I just make

a batch

> of meat and broth so I can cook up something quick, esp. during this

> week when I've been getting used to all this. My cooking situation

is

> really abnormal though, no one should use it as a standard! If you

> are cooking just for you, it shouldn't take all that long to make a

> vegie, a meat, and a starch, esp. if you do it just once a day.

---You are right, it doesn't take that long to cook some meat, veggie

and a starch. I am just in a rut, need more ideas.----

>

>

>

> >----I dunno either, it just seems for me, there my not be enough

oils

> >anyway. I think I need more oils because I am older. I don't feel

as

> >you do that I have enough fats in my body although I eat a lot of

> >fat! So for me being the weight I want, I should eat my fruits and

> >veggies with some fat during the day. Do you agree with that?----

> >

> >So far today I have had some watermelon/1/2 teaspoon coconut oil,

1/2

> >banana/1/2 teaspoon of coconut oil, 3 strawberries 1/2 teaspoon

> >coconut oil, another 1/2 banana with 1/2 teaspoon coconut oil and

a

> >decreased amount of my regular eggs, cream and coconutoil.

----Afternoon I had more of the same except I had to have some crispy

nuts. Going into supper I was not near as hungary as I thought I

would be! We had salad, meat cooked veggie and steamed potato last. I

will have some yoghurt tonight before bed.---

>

> I think if it works for you, then it works. I can't eat coconut oil

by itself!

---I dunno know if it works either but I have always heard to eat

some good fat with fruit for better assimilation---

> Actually I'm getting fat-aversive on this diet! I think though,

that my

> body knows that it HAS plenty of fat so why do I need to eat it?

Once

> the body can access it's own fat stores, I would think there is a

regulator

> switch that says " you need to eat this much " . I think that for me,

the

> fat stores were not accessible (insulin resistance maybe? High

cortisol?).

---Interesting theory! I hope it works. Have you lost any weight so

far?---

---I had a hard time just eating coconut oil too, until I got the one

from coconutoil-online.com. It is really good.---

>

> Ideally we should not have to THINK about what to eat, our bodies

> should be telling us ... but the signals get scrambled ...

---I can not imagine life without thinking about food and what to eat

next!! LOL! My DH never thinks about food! He can never remember what

he ate last! Sometimes he will just not eat breakfast or lunch. He'll

say, " I'm not hungry, I'll eat when I get hungry " .---

---Del---

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Hi, that sounds very interesting...do you have a link to more

information about that?

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--- In , " Bee Wilder " <bwilder@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Heidi,

> Another reason our bodies make fat is to contain the toxins, and

fatness saves people from the toxic effects. The less toxins the less

fat the body needs to make.

>

> Sorry about another clinker in here.

>

> Your Friendly Bee

> Re: Re: The French Riviera Diet

>

>

>

> >But the body doesn't necessarily make that much of a distinction

between

> >your fat and dietary fat. Low-carbing works because once the

body gets

> >used to consuming fat, it'll consume any fat, including depot

fat. If it's

> >getting carbs for fuel, it just doesn't seem to think to dip into

depot fat

> >in the same way. Insulin and cortisol aren't the only reasons

for Atkins;

> >it's also a matter of training the body to burn fat for fuel by

giving it

> >lots of fat and relatively little in the way of alternatives.

> >

> >-

>

> EXACTLY! Fasting *should* do the same thing. The reason we store

fat is to *use*

> it, but for some reason we have learned not to -- carbs for fuel,

plus maybe frequent

> meals and other hormonal issues. If you don't eat for a period of

time, then

> the body starts burning your own fat. If you don't eat for *too*

long then you go

> into starvation mode, which you don't want.

>

> -- Heidi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

in a cup of blueberries there's only 21 carbohydrate in the

entire thing. Splurge baby!!! Depending on the amount you made

that'd probably translate to 2-7 carbs per serving.

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Joanne-

>

> >Wes made it with tallow, sultanas and maple syrup and it

> >was tasty.

>

> See, I wish I could use maple syrup or tons of fruit to make it

palatable,

> but I need to eat low carb, so I'm pretty restricted in what I can

use.

>

> >Wes and two of our children ate quite a bit. A

> >couple of hours later they were all vomitting so violently I

couldn't

> >believe it. Lots of washing today. Wes has two black eyes from

straining

> >so hard while vomitting.

>

> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I guess that's a serious cautionary

tale!

>

>

>

>

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