Re: weight - Warrior Diet

August 5, 2003

,

Would you post a sample of what you eat in a given day on this diet? At the

website I saw where lean meat is recommended at every turn... Where do fats

fit into the picture? Are they something one eats in the evening with the

meat course? What about with the salad course? (I just love dressing made

with real cream.) I'm very curious about this as many years ago I did Fit

For Life and just loved how I felt during the day. Always high energy and

clear headed. Seems this would be similar what with the fruit and veggies

during the day bit. One more question. : ) During the day, does one eat

until no longer hungry?

Thanks much : )

Rhea

> Lately I have been experimenting with the warrior diet and I am>

absolutely delighted: http://www.warriordiet.com. No macronutrient>

restrictions, easily adaptable to my lifestyle and style of eating, and>

something that can easily become a way of life, which I think is more>

difficult for some in the other two approaches.

>

> I was already eating using similar principles, but I thought I would> try

it out. It works. Its fun actually. I would recommend it for someone> really

struggling with their weight and nothing else has worked.

>

August 5, 2003

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:05:55 -0800

Rhea Richmond <honeysuckles@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Would you post a sample of what you eat in a given day on this diet?

Hi Rhea,

I have been eating veggies, fruits (he recommends these are best as

juices but I eat them whole), eggs, cheese, kefir (instead of the yogurt

he recommends) and some fish and chicken.

I take these in very small amounts and only because I work out pretty

hard. But many days I do just the veggies and fruits.

I make smoothies out of the kefir, fruit and eggs and just sip on that

as a recovery meal.

At the

> website I saw where lean meat is recommended at every turn... Where do fats

> fit into the picture? Are they something one eats in the evening with the

> meat course?

Well the kefir, cheese and eggs all are fat sources. When he talks about

lean he is referring mostly to meats.

You can eat as much as you want at the evening meal, in fact you are

supposed to pig out! Which I do with great joy!!

What about with the salad course? (I just love dressing made

> with real cream.)

Of course. Load up the dressing!

I'm very curious about this as many years ago I did Fit

> For Life and just loved how I felt during the day. Always high energy and

> clear headed. Seems this would be similar what with the fruit and veggies

> during the day bit. One more question. : ) During the day, does one eat

> until no longer hungry?

Yes the day portion of the diet is very similar to Fit For Life. Harvey

Diamond, one of the co-authors of Fit For Life, even endorses the diet,

while clearly not agreeing with everything.

As for hunger, the protein portions are pretty small. I have posted

below the principles of the diet. But the more you exercise the more you

can have. ly, I like just having the veggies, fruit, and some kefir

during the day. Once you get used to it you do feel very good, very

energetic, much like Fit For Life.. I rarely am hungry, but that might

take time for some.

And for someone with my schedule, it is just the darndest thing only

having to prepare one meal a day.

Oh by the way, I have lost 10 lbs in two weeks and I wasn't even trying.

But I *was trying to stuff myself* and succeeded admirably. I am much

leaner even though I look the same. Nice.

How To Follow The Warrior Diet

Warrior Diet Basics

One Meal A Day

The Core Principle:

The gist of the Warrior Diet is to eat a meal only once a day,

preferably at night (or in the evening), and without any restriction of

calories or macronutrient content. The Warrior diet is based on

instinctual principles in which one does not have to check exact times,

or for that matter, count calories or restrict macronutrients.

The Warrior Diet is built on the principle of cycling between periods of

undereating and overeating, based on an instinct deep within us to

undereat and overeat.

For those with different awake schedules (i.e., you work the night shift or

work/sleep/are awake at other odd hours), the Warrior Diet is just as

effective as long as you follow the daily cycle of undereating and

overeating.

The main trick is to retrain your body; teach it to become more

instinctive. You can do this by avoiding most foods during the day,

although it is recommended to eat vegetables and fruits (preferably as

freshly squeezed juices).

It ’s also okay to have a little protein during the day, such as eggs,

lean fish, cheese, yogurt, or, preferably, undenatured whey.

As you get used to eating this way, your cravings should disappear.

And once you’re done fighting the battles of the day, you can eat as

much protein, vegetables, and carbs as you want even if it means eating

the equivalent of three meals in one seating.

What does this mean?

How To Undereat:

feel free to eat raw fresh whole fruits & veggies and/or juices during the day,

as they don't draw too much energy away from metabolic processes

responsible for fat-burning and detoxification. In essence, by

undereating, you're helping to " remove the reason for fat to exist " in

your body

You're basically minimizing the consumption of traditional protein and

carbs until night (especially carbs as they inhibit fat burning and

detox).

Depending upon how physically active you are (i.e., the extent to

which you exercise or not), you can have some protein during the

day as long as it's from a whole protein source (e.g., a handful of nuts,

a piece of chicken or other protein the size of a deck of cards, a small

yogurt, a poached egg or two).

If you work out a lot, you're encouraged to have small recovery meals

after a workout. The more active you are, the more protein you may

consume. For people who do not exercise frequently or are normally

sedentary, minimizing protein means it’s ok to have a handful of nuts

(almonds) or a piece of whole protein about the size of a deck of cards

(3 oz.) during the undereating phase (like chicken, fish or poached egg)

if necessary. Remember, undereating is designed to trigger fat burning

hormones and cellular factors that would otherwise not be triggered

under the frequent feeding system.

We encourage you to exercise (you should consult your doctor before

beginning any exercise program) as that is the other half of the fat loss

equation. Incredible benefits can be derived from exercising. As fat is

the preferred fuel for muscle, more muscle in your body will result in

your increased ability to metabolize and burn more fat. That's why it's

a good idea to incorporate both cardio and resistance training into a

workout routine. You don't need to go crazy - you can be in and out of

the gym (or do some other exercise you prefer) in less than an hour.

Exercising moderately even 3 times a week can bring great results.

How To Overeat:

Eat as you wish at night with no restriction. (Ori, the author, has been

known to eat 3,000 calories in one sitting and remains lean). Obviously,

you want to eat as healthy as possible but you should not feel

restricted from having foods that you love. Nevertheless, if you sit

down every night with a six pack of beer and a pizza, it's not going to

work as well. This is where " instinct " and " common sense " come in.

The only other real rule of eating is during the overeating phase and

the rule is to consume subtle tasting foods first (like your salad),

then move on to the protein (with vegetables if desired) and save carbs

for last.

Stop eating when you're much more thirsty than hungry.

Here's some more information on the timing of the daily cycle of

undereating and overeating cycle (i.e., " how long do I undereat for? " ):

Undereating should begin after the last big meal (or overeating phase) has

been digested (about 8-12 hours depending on the quality of the food).

The 16-18 hours of undereating, as mentioned in the book, is a maximum

Controlled fasting for longer than 18 hours may compromise the

metabolic advantages of undereating (i.e., after digestion, you should

not undereat for more than 18 hours or controlled fasting may have

adverse effects).

There was some confusion in the book that arose from the intended meaning

of the statement " It lasts for 16-18 hours after your last meal,

including time you are asleep " . The intended meaning is 16-18 hours PLUS

sleep time. Sleep time is usually when one digests the big meal. However,

we have come to learn that WD followers have all kinds of bizarre

schedules. So, undereating really begins when the big meal’s food has

been digested (not necessarily eliminated).

While people should not fast for longer than 18 hours, they should use

their instinct to determine when to eat the one daily meal, whether it’s

10 hours, 12 hours or 15 hours after undereating. Use your common sense.

Don’t do anything that doesn’t make sense.

August 6, 2003

>>>>I have been eating veggies, fruits (he recommends these are best as

juices but I eat them whole), eggs, cheese, kefir (instead of the yogurt

he recommends) and some fish and chicken.

---->michael, is this a *therapeutic* diet? or a maintenance, life-long

diet? i was just noticing the lack or *red* meat..?

it's an interesting concept. i talked to a new friend last night who only

eats one " meal " per day - very late at night. in the morning he has a cup of

chai and a chapati (indian bread - he's indian), and he works all day in a

restaurant (chef). after the lunch shift he goes to the gym and works out

pretty hard, then comes back and works the evening shift, still not eating

until the evening shift is over, which is after 10 or 10:30. he's not on the

warrior diet (is chapati warrior diet-legal? LOL), this is just the way he

eats, but when he told me about it, i thought of your post on the warrior

diet.

it's hard for me to imagine going so long without food! although i could see

doing this as a short-term therapeutic diet - just speaking for *myself*.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

August 6, 2003

,

Thank you for posting the info! I'd started yesterday morning, hoping I'd

learn more before the day was through. : )

I didn't find it any problem at all to eat very little during the day. A

few carrots for breakfast - I woke up so hungry! and some yogurt with

blueberries later, and a few almonds later. Lots of water. It was quite

nice not feeling like I had to eat. Very freeing really. (I suppose that

sounds strange, but I've heard so often how important it is to not miss

meals that I would eat lunch with my kids even if I weren't that

interested.) I still fed the kids as usual, of course.

For dinner the kids were thrilled with the multi-course meal and asked if we

could do it all the time. My oldest ate more salad than usual, and my

middle who claims to hate salad actually decided to have some (perhaps

because it was the only thing on the table?) Then we had garlic chicken

with zucchini. Then we had baked potatoes (not much, we were all slowing

down) and then desert of lemon custard (made with honey) topped with maple

syrup sweetened whip cream. On the outside I was normal, but on the inside

I was laughing so hard, because my children actually had only a few bites of

desert and then asked to save them for another day! They have never done

that before. My husband and I sampled the dessert, proclaimed it good, and

stopped. (Something we've never done before.)

The whole meal was delightful. It's funny that I'd never thought to slow

down dinner before, considering my favorite restaurant was one that took its

time and believed in letting the customers have time to talk between

courses.

I think I could easily eat like this long term. Of course only time will

tell, but so far I don't find the undereating time to be a hardship, and the

evening meal was more enjoyable as we sat together longer than usual.

One last thing - this morning I did not awake with that desperate " I have to

eat now! " hunger. Very nice.

Thanks again : )

Rhea

August 6, 2003

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:44:53 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >>>>I have been eating veggies, fruits (he recommends these are best as

> juices but I eat them whole), eggs, cheese, kefir (instead of the yogurt

> he recommends) and some fish and chicken.

>

> ---->michael, is this a *therapeutic* diet? or a maintenance, life-long

> diet? i was just noticing the lack or *red* meat..?

Suze, this is a life long diet. I haven't read the book (just gleaned

what I could from the website) but I would imagine you could eat some

lean red meat during the undereating phase.

Nevertheless, you can eat what you want at dinner, and I eat *plenty* of

red meat, as you know, LOL

My interest in this diet is fourfold:

1. It was discussed at length on one of the other lists, which peaked my

interest, even though I had read a review of it quite awhile ago, and it

seemed quite compatible with how I eat.

2. I undereat (i.e controlled fasting) twice a week anyway, so I thought

I would experiment with this diet. I am a big believer in the cycles of

fasting/feasting from a psychological, spiritual, and physical

perspective as being very beneficial

3. I am always on the lookout for stuff to give my family that might

inch them closer to a more healthy lifestyle. And the warrior diet has

benefits even if you remain on a SAD diet

4. It is just a reality of life that people respond more readily to

something that doesn't overtly restrict any macronutrient. So unless

they need to be on a therapeutic diet why send them in that direction?

>

> it's an interesting concept. i talked to a new friend last night who only

> eats one " meal " per day - very late at night. in the morning he has a cup of

> chai and a chapati (indian bread - he's indian), and he works all day in a

> restaurant (chef). after the lunch shift he goes to the gym and works out

> pretty hard, then comes back and works the evening shift, still not eating

> until the evening shift is over, which is after 10 or 10:30. he's not on the

> warrior diet (is chapati warrior diet-legal? LOL), this is just the way he

> eats, but when he told me about it, i thought of your post on the warrior

> diet.

I have been eating around 9:30 every night, sometimes even later. What

is funny is that I do this instinctively when I travel, especially when

I know the evening meal is going to have a lot of food or food that I

wouldn't normally eat. So I tend to eat light during the day in

preparation for the nighttime pig out.

My inspiration for this came from a friend's wife while I was on a trip

in Vegas. She mentioned in passing that she doesn't like to eat unless

she is really hungry. I thought okay that sounds like a plan. I will

wait until I am REALLY hungry before eating. As it turned out I would

drink water or eat fruit and it took the edge off anyway. I have always

lost weight eating this way. I just never gave it much thought.

>

> it's hard for me to imagine going so long without food! although i could see

> doing this as a short-term therapeutic diet - just speaking for *myself*.

Of course you aren't really going without food, you are going with less

food. Historically fasting usually did not necessarily mean no food at

all (although it could include that), just abstaining from certain kinds

of foods for certain periods. For example, in my spiritual tradition,

there are different names for different types of fasting/undereating,

only one which refers to liquids only. And a typical fast day refers to

abstaining from solid food until after 3:00 pm, and then a meal is

allowed.

August 6, 2003

>The whole meal was delightful. It's funny that I'd never thought to slow

>down dinner before, considering my favorite restaurant was one that took its

>time and believed in letting the customers have time to talk between

>courses.

In Spain, a typical dinner was served in courses. You sat down to a stack

of plates, and as you ate, each plate was removed (poor dishwashers!).

The courses generally went:

1. Soup

2. An omlette

3. A plate of huge green beans (fava beans, actually, I think, but I'm not

sure)

swimming in olive oil and baked whole cloves of garlic.

4. A piece of meat

5. Salad

6. Dessert (flan or a piece of fruit).

I don't know if they still do that. But it was a huge meal, late at night --

when you

think about it, it would take half the day to prepare a meal like that,

so it would make sense you would only have one big meal per day, and snack

on fruits or drinks the rest of the time. When I stayed with a family

in Switzerland that cooked " the old way " it took a good 3-5 hours to make

dinner! And the meals typically took a long time too -- followed by sitting

around smoking for the guys, the old lady said, in the old days, and doing

needlecrafts for the girls (I guess the servants did the dishes ...).

-- Heidi

August 7, 2003

> >>>>I have been eating veggies, fruits (he recommends these are best as

> juices but I eat them whole), eggs, cheese, kefir (instead of the yogurt

> he recommends) and some fish and chicken.

>

> ---->michael, is this a *therapeutic* diet? or a maintenance, life-long

> diet? i was just noticing the lack or *red* meat..?

>Suze, this is a life long diet. I haven't read the book (just gleaned

what I could from the website) but I would imagine you could eat some

lean red meat during the undereating phase.

Nevertheless, you can eat what you want at dinner, and I eat *plenty* of

red meat, as you know, LOL

------------------>oooohhhhh....i misunderstood. i thought you weren't

supposed to eat *any* red meat. that's why i thought it was odd for *you* to

be on such a diet! LOL

> it's hard for me to imagine going so long without food! although i could

see

> doing this as a short-term therapeutic diet - just speaking for *myself*.

>>> For example, in my spiritual tradition,

there are different names for different types of fasting/undereating,

only one which refers to liquids only. And a typical fast day refers to

abstaining from solid food until after 3:00 pm, and then a meal is

allowed.

--------->what spiritual tradition is that?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

August 12, 2003

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:42:14 -0800

Rhea Richmond <honeysuckles@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Thank you for posting the info! I'd started yesterday morning, hoping I'd

> learn more before the day was through. : )

Hi Rhea.

You are very welcome

>

> I didn't find it any problem at all to eat very little during the day. A

> few carrots for breakfast - I woke up so hungry! and some yogurt with

> blueberries later, and a few almonds later. Lots of water. It was quite

> nice not feeling like I had to eat. Very freeing really. (I suppose that

> sounds strange, but I've heard so often how important it is to not miss

> meals that I would eat lunch with my kids even if I weren't that

> interested.) I still fed the kids as usual, of course.

When you really get into it, should you ever reach this point, it is

very freeing knowing that you don't have to eat all that much if at all.

According to Ori (the author), this may be based on instinct/evolution,

but we are doing it self-consciously, and, IMO, the effects are just as

powerful.

I think a lot of people concentrate on the large meal portion and wonder

how all this works in light of that, but the undereating/fasting portion

is just as important, and from my vantage point, is really what makes

this whole thing go. The articles on his website are important in that

respect. I think the undereating/fasting portion of the diet strengthens

our cells, helps with detox, and allows us to access nutritional

processes (like greater uptake of nutrients) that we wouldn't normally

when we are always eating.

http://www.nydailynews.com/05-26-2003/city_life/food/story/86248p-78493c.html

http://www.stopgettingsick.com/templates/news_template.cfm/6645

http://www.msnbc.com/news/906310.asp?)cv=CB20 & cp1=1#BODY

I know it is weird for many Americans because the idea of undereating or

fasting of any sort is just foreign to our psyche/culture.

What I do if I get hungry is first take a large glass of Appollinaris

(mineral water) with lemon juice. If that doesn't stave off the hunger I

will eat a piece of fruit. I don't do juices because I don't think they

are whole foods. That is not to say I don't think they can have a

therapeutic use, but I don't want them as a regular part of my food plan.

If I am really hungry from an intense workout or endurance event then I

will make kefir/egg/berry smoothies and maybe eat a little cheese, all

within the dietary guidelines of course. Sometimes I will have some lean

meat instead.

It isn't my intention to stay exactly on the Warrior Diet, but since I

fast two days a week anyway, I thought I would try it. I will probably

toggle back and forth, given that my own way of eating is very similar

(pig out four days and fast two). They both seem to have the same

results for me.

>

> For dinner the kids were thrilled with the multi-course meal and asked if we

> could do it all the time. My oldest ate more salad than usual, and my

> middle who claims to hate salad actually decided to have some (perhaps

> because it was the only thing on the table?) Then we had garlic chicken

> with zucchini. Then we had baked potatoes (not much, we were all slowing

> down) and then desert of lemon custard (made with honey) topped with maple

> syrup sweetened whip cream. On the outside I was normal, but on the inside

> I was laughing so hard, because my children actually had only a few bites of

> desert and then asked to save them for another day! They have never done

> that before. My husband and I sampled the dessert, proclaimed it good, and

> stopped. (Something we've never done before.)

That is a good story. I like the layered approach to eating. And it

seems so sensible in so many ways, like causing you to eat what is in

front of you instead of having a smorgasboard of choices. Again, as I

look back, I have always done better this way, I just never made any

connections with this style of eating in terms of health or leanness.

I think part of the problem is I never thought of undereating as what it

was, controlled fasting. I only thought of fasting in terms of a

conscious decision to abstain from certain foods or have no food for

reasons other than diet (maybe therapeutic, maybe spiritual). I never

thought about doing it in terms of diet. Silly me.

>

> The whole meal was delightful. It's funny that I'd never thought to slow

> down dinner before, considering my favorite restaurant was one that took its

> time and believed in letting the customers have time to talk between

> courses.

I wonder if that is a french restaurant you are referring too? One of

the top restaurants in America is in my city and happens to be french.

We had a five course meal that was served very slow. It was delightful

(and very expensive).

>

> I think I could easily eat like this long term. Of course only time will

> tell, but so far I don't find the undereating time to be a hardship, and the

> evening meal was more enjoyable as we sat together longer than usual.

>

> One last thing - this morning I did not awake with that desperate " I have to

> eat now! " hunger. Very nice.

Yeah I wake up feeling quite full. It is very nice indeed.

August 12, 2003

,

Wow, most people just give up meat! There are all sorts of details in the

triodion about dry foods and whatnot but I think in our culture most people just

take on the basics. What *sub*tradition are you from? Just wondering

because I'm not aware of the 3 o'clock thing. Does this come from the

" chalcedonian " orthodox tradition, etc?

Chris

In a message dated 8/12/03 7:00:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> >>>>For example, in my spiritual tradition,

> >there are different names for different types of fasting/undereating,

> >only one which refers to liquids only. And a typical fast day refers to

> >abstaining from solid food until after 3:00 pm, and then a meal is

> >allowed.

> >

> >--------->what spiritual tradition is that?

> >

>

> Eastern Orthodox

>

August 12, 2003

>> I know it is weird for many Americans because the idea of undereating or

fasting of any sort is just foreign to our psyche/culture. <<

You clearly didn't go to an all-girls high school!

My high school was anorexia/bulimia central. Just like most of my peers, I spent

my early life on one starvation diet after another. It was ROUTINE for me to eat

little or nothing until late in the day, and most of my friends did the same.

I still believe that for someone with insulin resistance (which is a LOT of

women, probably most American women older than 35 who have even slight amounts

of excess body fat) this way of eating would be disastrous. I'm not saying that

it would CAUSE problems if a normal person were eating this way all along, but I

can tell you right now, for me, it would be a nightmare. Since it's being

presented as a weight loss program, it deeply concerns me that those with

insulin resistance might find themselves plagued with cravings, low blood sugar,

blood sugar swings (realize that a lot of low blood sugar FEELINGS are not

because your blood sugar is absolutely low, but simply because it dropped

sharply), and hunger.

I can't stress enough how much more even I feel, how much more energetic, and

how easy it is to lose weight on a balanced, low carb, three meals plus a snack

a day, never-go-6-waking-hours-without-eating plan, FOR ME. It really cured what

ailed me. Again, not saying it's right for everyone. But I would really hesitate

to suggest any woman with an ongoing weight problem to try something like this.

Also, I've lived in and traveled in Europe, including France and Italy. While

it's true breakfasts tend to be just things like a coffee and a roll, lunch in

both countries is a big, hearty meal, and so is dinner. I've never known a

person in those countries who ate a small lunch. Including in the Mediterranean

areas.

Christie

August 12, 2003

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:43:25 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >>> For example, in my spiritual tradition,

> there are different names for different types of fasting/undereating,

> only one which refers to liquids only. And a typical fast day refers to

> abstaining from solid food until after 3:00 pm, and then a meal is

> allowed.

>

> --------->what spiritual tradition is that?

>

Eastern Orthodox

August 14, 2003

In a message dated 8/14/03 4:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> Any Orthodox who follow the fasting rubrics closely will definitely find

> themselves in a feasting/fasting mode.

Well, fasting mode anyway. I think you'll find different emphasis in the

different " jurisdictions " e.g. fasting " rules " are probably kept a little more

strictly in the ROCOR than in the Greek church.

But my understanding (I come from the same tradition) is that all meals

during fasting periods should leave you a little bit hungry. So it's more like

fasting-fasting than fasting-feasting ;-)

I wasn't familiar with the 3 o'clock thing.

Chris

August 14, 2003

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:47:33 -0700

" Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> >> I know it is weird for many Americans because the idea of undereating or

> fasting of any sort is just foreign to our psyche/culture. <<

>

> You clearly didn't go to an all-girls high school!

#######No but my sister did ;-)

>

> My high school was anorexia/bulimia central. Just like most of my peers, I

spent my early life on one starvation diet after another. It was ROUTINE for me

to eat little or nothing until late in the day, and most of my friends did the

same.

#######Well there are lots of variables here, so I wouldn't extrapolate from the

anorexia/bulemia lifestyle to the Warrior Diet.

First, because starvation and therapeutic/contolled/intentional fasting are not

the same. Not even close. It is similar to when people try to equate the beneign

dietary ketosis of the Atkins plan with starvation, because both states produce

ketones. That is a silly analogy that has been used to attempt to discredit the

induction phase of his diet.

Second, I would guess the average bulemic/anorexic is very much a SAD'er when

they do eat and all the other dynamics associated with that lifestyle would have

an impact on health as well.

Third, the idea of controlled/intentional fasting for the purposes of health

and/or spirituality is very foreign to our culture. Very much so.

Anorexia/bulemia does not fit into either of these categories.

It is interesting to note that Dr. Buchinger, the German M.D. reknowned for his

fasting clinic, used therapeutic fasting as a cure for bodily disturbances

brought about by bulemic eating habits.

No doubt, as with everything, there are exceptions, but I don't trust the

Doctors on this side of the pond when they disparage something that has as long

and honored a tradition as fasting, properly understood.

>

> I still believe that for someone with insulin resistance (which is a LOT of