Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 - 50 is definitely low -- for most people. But different people have different carb tolerances, and it is possible, and very easy, really, to go overboard by eating some of the " lower " carb fruits and vegetables. >Rahter than ok today i eat 50 grams of carbs even if my daily calorie >intake is 3000.... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 >> TO me low carb doesnt mean not havign any. But simply a lower % compared to the daily calories i intake. << I do not know what the absolute cut-off for " low carb " is, or if there is any common understanding of that. Average American carb consumption is over 300 grams daily, which just about killed me, LOL, so I suppose technically someone eating 200 grams could claim they were eating a low carb diet. <G> I currently eat around 20 grams of carbs a day not counting fiber. I limit myself to no more than 25 but generally don't dip into those last 5 grams. But I am in the process of losing weight. I would expect a much higher carb limit to accompany a weight maintanence program, or if I had much less to lose. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 It seems this book must have been mentioned on this list before, but i'll throw it out there anyway. Life Without Bread by Wolfgang Lutz is the first book, other than NT, that i read when i started changing my health for the better. he says that 72g of carbs per day are the optimal amount. so there! well, anyway, i started keeping track of said carbs (not even really knowing what one was at this point!) and i just thought it was crazy. i felt like i couldn't eat anything (and couldn't, the way i was eating!). my doctor had given me the (Dr.) Page food plan (if interested, see: www.ifnh.org --dr. page's food plan) and i really struggled with it, but between that and the Lutz book i got through it. probably now i am under 72g per day, but where i am is where my weight stays stable. one thing disagreeable about the book though is that a white flour bagel is counted the same as any other carb and as i recall, seems okay by the author to eat. sonya Re: Low carb confusion >> TO me low carb doesnt mean not havign any. But simply a lower % compared to the daily calories i intake. << I do not know what the absolute cut-off for " low carb " is, or if there is any common understanding of that. Average American carb consumption is over 300 grams daily, which just about killed me, LOL, so I suppose technically someone eating 200 grams could claim they were eating a low carb diet. <G> I currently eat around 20 grams of carbs a day not counting fiber. I limit myself to no more than 25 but generally don't dip into those last 5 grams. But I am in the process of losing weight. I would expect a much higher carb limit to accompany a weight maintanence program, or if I had much less to lose. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 In your readings about low carbs, does it take into account the size, gender and maybe age of the person when deciding how many carbs you should have in a maintenance diet? I weight about 110 lbs, 5'2 " , 62 years, small boned and female. My carbs are low as I have taken gluten and refined sugar out. Somewhere between 25 and 50 which are fruits and veggies. By doing that I have not yet " gotten there " with getting some grains (without gluten and sugar) back in. I am working on it. But I don't really see how I could possiblly add any more carbs without gaining weight! Aren't the amount of carbs you eat tied to the amount of exercise you do? So if I add more exercise, I will be able to eat more of the right carbs? Del > It seems this book must have been mentioned on this list before, but i'll throw it out there anyway. Life Without Bread by Wolfgang Lutz is the first book, other than NT, that i read when i started changing my health for the better. he says that 72g of carbs per day are the optimal amount. so there! well, anyway, i started keeping track of said carbs (not even really knowing what one was at this point!) and i just thought it was crazy. i felt like i couldn't eat anything (and couldn't, the way i was eating!). my doctor had given me the (Dr.) Page food plan (if interested, see: www.ifnh.org --dr. page's food plan) and i really struggled with it, but between that and the Lutz book i got through it. probably now i am under 72g per day, but where i am is where my weight stays stable. one thing disagreeable about the book though is that a white flour bagel is counted the same as any other carb and as i recall, seems okay by the author to eat. > > sonya > Re: Low carb confusion > > > >> TO me low carb doesnt mean not havign any. But simply a lower % > compared to the daily calories i intake. << > > I do not know what the absolute cut-off for " low carb " is, or if there is any common understanding of that. Average American carb consumption is over 300 grams daily, which just about killed me, LOL, so I suppose technically someone eating 200 grams could claim they were eating a low carb diet. <G> > > I currently eat around 20 grams of carbs a day not counting fiber. I limit myself to no more than 25 but generally don't dip into those last 5 grams. But I am in the process of losing weight. I would expect a much higher carb limit to accompany a weight maintanence program, or if I had much less to lose. > > Christie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Hi Yes, low carb is just that - low carbohydrate. It is not NO carbohydrate. Jo > i seem to see either confusion of misinterpretation of the low > carbing. > > TO me low carb doesnt mean not havign any. But simply a lower % > compared to the daily calories i intake. > > Rahter than ok today i eat 50 grams of carbs even if my daily calorie > intake is 3000.... > > am i thinking clearly or am i confused abtou being confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Hi Del All the low carb books I have read suggest finding your own level of carbs for losing. FOr example, I can eat up to 80g carbs per day before I start to gain, my boyfriend's level is much less. We both live a sedate lifestyle, but he is carrying around 150lbs more weight than me so actually gets a LOT more exercise! Weight gain is to do with the condition of your metabolism - how well your body handles fats and carbs. If you have a healthy metabolism, you can probably add a lot more carbs than you are eating, regardless of the amount of exercise. What you can't do though is add those carbs in addition to everything else you are eating. This would just add more calories which your body will store as fat if they are not burned off. So if you add more carbs, reduce the amount of fat and protein you are eating accordingly. Although if you can eat 50g carbs per day, why add more? Jo > In your readings about low carbs, does it take into account the size, > gender and maybe age of the person when deciding how many carbs you > should have in a maintenance diet? I weight about 110 lbs, 5'2 " , 62 > years, small boned and female. My carbs are low as I have taken > gluten and refined sugar out. Somewhere between 25 and 50 which are > fruits and veggies. By doing that I have not yet " gotten there " with > getting some grains (without gluten and sugar) back in. I am working > on it. But I don't really see how I could possiblly add any more > carbs without gaining weight! Aren't the amount of carbs you eat tied > to the amount of exercise you do? So if I add more exercise, I will > be able to eat more of the right carbs? > > Del > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 >It seems this book must have been mentioned on this list before, but i'll throw it out there anyway. Life Without Bread by Wolfgang Lutz is the first book, other than NT, that i read when i started changing my health for the better. he says that 72g of carbs per day are the optimal amount. so there! well, anyway, i started keeping track of said carbs (not even really knowing what one was at this point!) and i just thought it was crazy. i felt like i couldn't eat anything (and couldn't, the way i was eating!). my doctor had given me the (Dr.) Page food plan (if interested, see: www.ifnh.org --dr. page's food plan) and i really struggled with it, but between that and the Lutz book i got through it. probably now i am under 72g per day, but where i am is where my weight stays stable. one thing disagreeable about the book though is that a white flour bagel is counted the same as any other carb and as i recall, seems okay by the author to eat. > >sonya Dr. Schwartzbein's diet is similar -- a lot of people are advocating a " low-er " carb diet that isn't ketogenic, with good results (though as with everything, it depends on the person). For myself, I just find it more maintainable -- I can eat LESS carbs no problem, but if you are really ketogenic, it takes very little to throw you off, and once you get OUT of ketogenesis you get this big weight gain (water) which is disheartening. Plus I can eat all my carbs in the morning, if I want, as one big plate of hash browns :-) A lot of Lutz's work is really enlightening too. My one problem is similar to yours -- all his research just counts wheat as " carb " , and wheat is known to have other effects besides the effect of it's starch. We really need some good research to separate the damage from gliadin from the damage from " carbs " . He showed " carbs " causing heart disease to chickens by feeding them more wheat -- heart disease being caused by wheat is a BIG deal, but again, the experiment doesn't tell if the problem was wheat or if corn or rice would have had the same effect. -- Heidi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 >But I don't really see how I could possiblly add any more >carbs without gaining weight! Aren't the amount of carbs you eat tied >to the amount of exercise you do? So if I add more exercise, I will >be able to eat more of the right carbs? > >Del That's what Schwartzbein says ... the more exercise you do, the more carbs you can eat. Some people though, do better with fat than with carbs (they feel better and have more energy). Women tend to be better with fewer carbs, according to a couple of non-NT non-Atkins exercise gurus, maybe because we have more blood-sugar/insulin issues. But if you don't feel like you NEED more carbs, then not to worry. For myself I just avoid baked goods and sugar (as you say) and I toss in a potato here and there, and that makes for a pretty low carb diet when I track it -- I don't worry about how many carrots I eat! Also, when I do eat a lot of carbs I do it in the morning or for lunch, not at the end of the day. I've been losing weight rather gradually that way. We also had good results with both Cliff Sheats and Body for Life -- both are based on portion control, but it's easy. The NICE thing about Body for Life is that you are supposed to have an " off " day one day a week (like was saying). That keeps your metabolism high, plus it gives you a day with " no worries " . I stopped the habit because most of my " pig out " foods I just can't eat any more, but the whole BfL habit isn't a bad one (keep track of what you eat, and exercise daily, and relax one day, and track the results). Both Cliff Sheats and BfL are too low-fat, but Cliff Sheats uses MCT (coconut oil) instead of " real fat " . -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 >> In your readings about low carbs, does it take into account the size, gender and maybe age of the person when deciding how many carbs you should have in a maintenance diet? << In Dr. Atkins, there is no set limit of carbs. You calculate your own weight loss and maintanence levels. It's totally individualized. There is a " ladder " of priorities in adding foods that contain carbs, and certain things (white flour, white sugar, and similar fast, cheap, and easy carbs) are not on it, but other than that, it's completely individual as to how many carbs you would eat. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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