Re: Re: query over 2nd dose of MMR

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In a message dated 15/06/2006 06:40:22 GMT Daylight Time, simon_tinawood@... writes:

My son was born in July 98 and his red book says first MMR 12-18 months, second MMR 3-5 years. ie second is pre-school booster. I don't recall the 2 MMRs ever being given so close together, but that doesn't mean that they didn't do it for a brief spell.

>>>Me neither, I worked as GP Practice Manager for 15 years finishing in 2000 and so was there when MMR came to the UK in 1988, never in ANY of that time was the second MMR given before preschool boosters - usually at age 4yrs & 3 months.............and I am sure if they changed it since I would know about it through my SIL who is practice nurse.

Mandi x

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Hi Mark My son was born in July 98 and his red book says first MMR 12-18 months, second MMR 3-5 years. ie second is pre-school booster. I don't recall the 2 MMRs ever being given so close together, but that doesn't mean that they didn't do it for a brief spell. My red book says copyright 1997 Royal College Paediatrics and child health What a nightmare, did you actually give the 2 MMRs so close? Tina Mark <editorial.hillbury@...> wrote: Hi everyone,I understand from current information given by the NHS that the second MMRshould not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's red healthrecord book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd MMRshould be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that the firstMMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books wereintroduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second dose at 4instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?I would be grateful for any response to this question which is seriouslytroubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that. At thetime I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him and hepointed to the red

book saying it was standard practice to administer thesecond dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this please canyou get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that I'dmisled and can't believe what I let happen.Thanks for any response.Gillian

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Gillian the department of health's "Green Book" 1996 which every GP's surgery in the land should have states at p. 136 para 22.4.2

"Beginning 1 October 1996 all children, except those with a valid contraindication, should receive 2 doses of MMR vaccine. These are recommended to be given shortly after the first birthday and before school entry."

para 22.4.6

"When children who have not received their first dose of MMR attend for their pre-school boosters (DT and polio vaccines), they should be offered their first MMR and arrangements made for a second dose to be given three months after the first dose."

The green book is available to purchase from the Stationary office or can be downloaded free.

Margaret

RE: query over 2nd dose of MMR

Hi everyone,I understand from current information given by the NHS that the second MMRshould not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's red healthrecord book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd MMRshould be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that the firstMMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books wereintroduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second dose at 4instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?I would be grateful for any response to this question which is seriouslytroubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that. At thetime I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him and hepointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to administer thesecond dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this please canyou get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that I'dmisled and can't believe what I let happen.Thanks for any response.Gillian__________ NOD32 1.1599 (20060614) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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Hi Gillian

Both my son's red books say 2nd MMR at pre-School/School entry. My oldest child who is autistic was born in 1999 just like yours, but I refused his 2nd MMR.

We are in Hertfordshire, so perhaps it varies from County to County. What County are you in?

Kay.

Hi everyone,I understand from current information given by the NHS that the second MMRshould not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's red healthrecord book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd MMRshould be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that the firstMMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books wereintroduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second dose at 4instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?I would be grateful for any response to this question which is seriouslytroubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that. At thetime I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him and hepointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to administer thesecond dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this please canyou get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that I'dmisled and can't believe what I let happen.Thanks for any response.Gillian

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This is what all the 12 month old kids around here have had - first MMR at 12 months then second at 15 to 16 months. All the mums in my antenatal group did this (except me!!).

Darla

In a message dated 15/06/2006 08:27:33 GMT Standard Time, m.collins9@... writes:

"When children who have not received their first dose of MMR attend for their pre-school boosters (DT and polio vaccines), they should be offered their first MMR and arrangements made for a second dose to be given three months after the first dose."

The green book is available to purchase from the Stationary office or can be downloaded free.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

This is what all the 12 month old kids around here have had - first MMR at 12 months then second at 15 to 16 months. All the mums in my antenatal group did this (except me!!).

Darla

In a message dated 15/06/2006 08:27:33 GMT Standard Time, m.collins9@... writes:

"When children who have not received their first dose of MMR attend for their pre-school boosters (DT and polio vaccines), they should be offered their first MMR and arrangements made for a second dose to be given three months after the first dose."

The green book is available to purchase from the Stationary office or can be downloaded free.

Margaret

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Hi

a mum at my daughters nursery had her son jabbed with the first MMR about a week ago ( he is four - she wasn't sure but decided to go ahead pre school) She was told to bring him back for his booster in three to four WEEKS !!!!!!

good grief !

Eldest son got a letter from the school about the climbing rate of measles in Surrey . Waving the letter around all the boys in the class were calling "oi Louis - isn't this the thing that gave your brother autism" . " Yes , absoloutely" he replied . The teacher wasn't quite sure how to react......

Indoctrinated my son ? Nah !

Love

Deborah

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Hi

a mum at my daughters nursery had her son jabbed with the first MMR about a week ago ( he is four - she wasn't sure but decided to go ahead pre school) She was told to bring him back for his booster in three to four WEEKS !!!!!!

good grief !

Eldest son got a letter from the school about the climbing rate of measles in Surrey . Waving the letter around all the boys in the class were calling "oi Louis - isn't this the thing that gave your brother autism" . " Yes , absoloutely" he replied . The teacher wasn't quite sure how to react......

Indoctrinated my son ? Nah !

Love

Deborah

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This is NOT right! it sounds to me they're now so deperate to push the vaccine that they get you back asap while you're still "compliant".

This is from the DoH website today:

Routine childhood immunisation programme

When to immunise

What vaccine is given

How it is given

Two, three and four months old

Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Hib (DTaP/IPV/Hib)

One injection

MenC

One injection

Around 13 months

Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

One injection

Three years four months to five years old

Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio (dTaP/IPV or DTaP/IPV)

One injection

Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

One injection

Ten to 14 years old (and sometimes shortly after birth)

BCG (against tuberculosis)

Skin test then,if needed,one injection

Thirteen to 18 years old

Tetanus, diphtheria and polio (Td/IPV)

One injection

If you need more information about how to book an appointment, speak to your GP, clinic, or health visitor.

http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/basics/schedule.php

Margaret

[Guest guest]

This is NOT right! it sounds to me they're now so deperate to push the vaccine that they get you back asap while you're still "compliant".

This is from the DoH website today:

Routine childhood immunisation programme

When to immunise

What vaccine is given

How it is given

Two, three and four months old

Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Hib (DTaP/IPV/Hib)

One injection

MenC

One injection

Around 13 months

Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

One injection

Three years four months to five years old

Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio (dTaP/IPV or DTaP/IPV)

One injection

Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)

One injection

Ten to 14 years old (and sometimes shortly after birth)

BCG (against tuberculosis)

Skin test then,if needed,one injection

Thirteen to 18 years old

Tetanus, diphtheria and polio (Td/IPV)

One injection

If you need more information about how to book an appointment, speak to your GP, clinic, or health visitor.

http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/basics/schedule.php

Margaret

[Guest guest]

There was an outbreak of measles in my area and I too was put under pressure

by my GP and by a local nursery where he attended part-time to give him the

second MMR at 2yrs 10 months because of the outbreak. The red book said

second dose 3 months after the first which he had at 1 year and 4 months.

That was just over a year between the two. What was I thinking at the time.

I recall being in a panic about measles as a niece ended up in intensive

care after contracting measles. I still can't believe I let this happen.

Gillian

On 15/6/06 12:43, " mim2free " <mim2free@...> wrote:

>

> My son was born in may 2001, he had his first MMR (after big GP

> pressure) at 18 month, (7/11/02)he had his second dose four month

> later (13/03/03), I was told by the nursery to came back in 2 month

> time, but becouse he began to have a lots of problems with cough end

> fever, we wait 2 more month, and after that the AUTISMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

> His red book seis second dose 3 month after the first.

>

> Isabel

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>

>> Hi everyone,

>>

>> I understand from current information given by the NHS that the

> second MMR

>> should not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's

> red health

>> record book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd

> MMR

>> should be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that

> the first

>> MMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.

>>

>> I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books

> were

>> introduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second

> dose at 4

>> instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?

>>

>> I would be grateful for any response to this question which is

> seriously

>> troubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2

>> years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that.

> At the

>> time I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him

> and he

>> pointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to

> administer the

>> second dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this

> please can

>> you get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that

> I'd

>> misled and can't believe what I let happen.

>>

>> Thanks for any response.

>>

>> Gillian

>>

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> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There was an outbreak of measles in my area and I too was put under pressure

by my GP and by a local nursery where he attended part-time to give him the

second MMR at 2yrs 10 months because of the outbreak. The red book said

second dose 3 months after the first which he had at 1 year and 4 months.

That was just over a year between the two. What was I thinking at the time.

I recall being in a panic about measles as a niece ended up in intensive

care after contracting measles. I still can't believe I let this happen.

Gillian

On 15/6/06 12:43, " mim2free " <mim2free@...> wrote:

>

> My son was born in may 2001, he had his first MMR (after big GP

> pressure) at 18 month, (7/11/02)he had his second dose four month

> later (13/03/03), I was told by the nursery to came back in 2 month

> time, but becouse he began to have a lots of problems with cough end

> fever, we wait 2 more month, and after that the AUTISMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

> His red book seis second dose 3 month after the first.

>

> Isabel

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> Hi everyone,

>>

>> I understand from current information given by the NHS that the

> second MMR

>> should not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's

> red health

>> record book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd

> MMR

>> should be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that

> the first

>> MMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.

>>

>> I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books

> were

>> introduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second

> dose at 4

>> instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?

>>

>> I would be grateful for any response to this question which is

> seriously

>> troubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2

>> years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that.

> At the

>> time I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him

> and he

>> pointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to

> administer the

>> second dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this

> please can

>> you get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that

> I'd

>> misled and can't believe what I let happen.

>>

>> Thanks for any response.

>>

>> Gillian

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gillian,

Out of interest, did your niece have the MMR prior to contracting measles?

Re: Re: query over 2nd dose of MMR

> There was an outbreak of measles in my area and I too was put under

> pressure

> by my GP and by a local nursery where he attended part-time to give him

> the

> second MMR at 2yrs 10 months because of the outbreak. The red book said

> second dose 3 months after the first which he had at 1 year and 4 months.

> That was just over a year between the two. What was I thinking at the

> time.

> I recall being in a panic about measles as a niece ended up in intensive

> care after contracting measles. I still can't believe I let this happen.

>

> Gillian

>

>

> On 15/6/06 12:43, " mim2free " <mim2free@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> My son was born in may 2001, he had his first MMR (after big GP

>> pressure) at 18 month, (7/11/02)he had his second dose four month

>> later (13/03/03), I was told by the nursery to came back in 2 month

>> time, but becouse he began to have a lots of problems with cough end

>> fever, we wait 2 more month, and after that the AUTISMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

>> His red book seis second dose 3 month after the first.

>>

>> Isabel

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>>

>>> I understand from current information given by the NHS that the

>> second MMR

>>> should not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's

>> red health

>>> record book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the 2nd

>> MMR

>>> should be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that

>> the first

>>> MMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.

>>>

>>> I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record books

>> were

>>> introduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second

>> dose at 4

>>> instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?

>>>

>>> I would be grateful for any response to this question which is

>> seriously

>>> troubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at 2

>>> years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that.

>> At the

>>> time I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him

>> and he

>>> pointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to

>> administer the

>>> second dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this

>> please can

>>> you get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book that

>> I'd

>>> misled and can't believe what I let happen.

>>>

>>> Thanks for any response.

>>>

>>> Gillian

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> DISCLAIMER

>> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

>> advice. If

>> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

>> practitioner.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Gillian,

PLEASE don’t blame yourself. You were trusting experts and doing the very

best you could for your child.

We all need to get past blaming ourselves

(I find it hard too) but somebody out there IS to blame – save your

negative thoughts for them and anyway, we need our energy to put our children

right again.

Sara

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Re: query over 2nd dose of MMR

Gillian,

Out of interest, did your niece have the MMR prior to contracting measles?

Re: Re: query over 2nd dose of MMR

> There was an outbreak of measles in my area and I too was put under

> pressure

> by my GP and by a local nursery where he attended part-time to give him

> the

> second MMR at 2yrs 10 months because of the outbreak. The red book said

> second dose 3 months after the first which he had at 1 year and 4 months.

> That was just over a year between the two. What was I thinking at the

> time.

> I recall being in a panic about measles as a niece ended up in intensive

> care after contracting measles. I still can't believe I let this happen.

>

> Gillian

>

>

> On 15/6/06 12:43, " mim2free " <mim2free (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

>

>>

>> My son was born in may 2001, he had his first MMR (after big GP

>> pressure) at 18 month, (7/11/02)he had his second dose four month

>> later (13/03/03), I was told by the nursery to came back in 2 month

>> time, but becouse he began to have a lots of problems with cough end

>> fever, we wait 2 more month, and after that the AUTISMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

>> His red book seis second dose 3 month after the first.

>>

>> Isabel

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>>

>>> I understand from current information given by the NHS that the

>> second MMR

>>> should not be given until a child is 4. Why then does my child's

>> red health

>>> record book (given to me in 1999 when he was born) say that the

2nd

>> MMR

>>> should be given from 3 month after the first MMR. It states that

>> the first

>>> MMR should be given between 12-18 months of age.

>>>

>>> I'm confused. Did the situation change after these red record

books

>> were

>>> introduced ie did the NHS start telling parents to give the second

>> dose at 4

>>> instead of from 3 months after the first MMR?

>>>

>>> I would be grateful for any response to this question which is

>> seriously

>>> troubling me at the moment given that my son had the second MMR at

2

>>> years 10 months and regressed into autism within weeks after that.

>> At the

>>> time I argued with the dr saying I wasn't happy giving it to him

>> and he

>>> pointed to the red book saying it was standard practice to

>> administer the

>>> second dose at that age. Please if anyone has any info on this

>> please can

>>> you get back to me asap as I've just come across my son's book

that

>> I'd

>>> misled and can't believe what I let happen.

>>>

>>> Thanks for any response.

>>>

>>> Gillian

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> DISCLAIMER

>> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

>> advice. If

>> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

>> practitioner.

>>

>>