Re: Inflammation Control by Vitamin Research Products

[Guest guest]

Wow Natasha, you've got me paying attention. Do keep us updated, wont

you. Do you have a link to the product?

One thing is niggling at the back of my mind though - remember a

miraculous cure for eczema a while back, also chinese herb based, which

turned out to have steroids in with the herbs? I expect you've checked

out the product and this won't apply at all, but always worth being

aware.

Best,

Sharon

>

> Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to compare

> notes.

>

> We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem VERY

> promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my hopes up

> but...

>

> Natasa

>

> p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Natasha, you've got me paying attention. Do keep us updated, wont

you. Do you have a link to the product?

One thing is niggling at the back of my mind though - remember a

miraculous cure for eczema a while back, also chinese herb based, which

turned out to have steroids in with the herbs? I expect you've checked

out the product and this won't apply at all, but always worth being

aware.

Best,

Sharon

>

> Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to compare

> notes.

>

> We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem VERY

> promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my hopes up

> but...

>

> Natasa

>

> p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

>

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

Would you be able to tell us what sort of things you're seeing?

Not too long ago there was the article about eliminating anphylactic

shock in peanut-allergic mice when they were given a certain blend

of chinese herbs. This protection apparently lasted 6 months. I

remember thinking wow! I'm so westernized I think of herbs only for

spaghetti sauce and such, but these products seem to have very

powerful properties.

Please keep us posted.

Anita

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>

>

> >

> > Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to

compare

> > notes.

> >

> > We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem

VERY

> > promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my

hopes up

> > but...

> >

> > Natasa

> >

> > p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

Would you be able to tell us what sort of things you're seeing?

Not too long ago there was the article about eliminating anphylactic

shock in peanut-allergic mice when they were given a certain blend

of chinese herbs. This protection apparently lasted 6 months. I

remember thinking wow! I'm so westernized I think of herbs only for

spaghetti sauce and such, but these products seem to have very

powerful properties.

Please keep us posted.

Anita

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to

compare

> > notes.

> >

> > We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem

VERY

> > promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my

hopes up

> > but...

> >

> > Natasa

> >

> > p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that would be a worry with any herbal or 'alternative' supplement,

but this product has been developed and is marketed by VRP, who are (to

my knowledge so far) a reputable company and hopefuly able to monitor

their suppliers and production line .. for the price they are charging

they should be growing the herbs themselves in golden pots LOL - 30US

dollars over there, it cost £30 with TA discount at Nutricentre.

http://www.vrp.com/det/1525.asp?c=1149104376796 & k=/vrpsearch.asp & m=/incl\

udes/vrp.css & p=no & s=0

Natasa

p.s. have tons of abstracts if anyone is interested in 'hard' (read

very boring) science behind these...

> >

> > Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to compare

> > notes.

> >

> > We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem VERY

> > promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my hopes

up

> > but...

> >

> > Natasa

> >

> > p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita, unfortunately nothing that clear cut, just general things ie

better/more cognition, awareness, language, more social, responsive,

taking directions... we started LDN in March and have been seeing

improvements in all those areas, but when we started this new thing as

if all those gains somehow accelerated, same things as before but

five-fold .. as I said early days and could be a coincidence, will keep

you posted...

The most odd thing was that we saw something very similar to what people

on Valrex/OLE report: after a few days we saw runny nose, then cough and

fever, then a rash appeared (small ezcema like patches on shoulders,

neck and then the whole torso - fever got really high on day two but

then disappeared completely after one ibuprofen dose). These herbs have

many many properties (will email you abstracts) but nothing was ever

reported in the antiviral sense. Apart from this anecdotal bit, where it

seems one of the components might be interfering with viral inflammatory

effects: http://www.uveitis.org/medical/lab/tetrandr.html

Someone mentioned might be histamine-related...

Best,

Natasa

btw have you come across Marine Red Algae on your antiviral quest?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en & cr=countryUK|countryGB & c2coff=1 & sa=\

X & oi=spell & resnum=0 & ct=result & cd=1 & q=marine+red+algae+herpes & spell=1

> > >

> > > Hi, wondering if anyone else has tried this as would like to

> compare

> > > notes.

> > >

> > > We started it a couple of weeks ago and the early results seem

> VERY

> > > promising. I know it is still early days and hate to keep my

> hopes up

> > > but...

> > >

> > > Natasa

> > >

> > > p.s. the ingredients in it are chinese antiinflammatory herbs

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anita, unfortunately nothing that clear cut, just general things ie

> better/more cognition, awareness, language, more social,

responsive,

> taking directions... we started LDN in March and have been seeing

> improvements in all those areas, but when we started this new

thing as

> if all those gains somehow accelerated, same things as before but

> five-fold .. as I said early days and could be a coincidence, will

keep

> you posted...

I would think though that these sorts of general gains would be what

one would expect if inflammation of the brain was being dealt with.

At least, that's what I would expect. This is very exciting news

for you. :-)!

>

> The most odd thing was that we saw something very similar to what

people

> on Valrex/OLE report: after a few days we saw runny nose, then

cough and

> fever, then a rash appeared (small ezcema like patches on

shoulders,

> neck and then the whole torso - fever got really high on day two

but

> then disappeared completely after one ibuprofen dose). These herbs

have

> many many properties (will email you abstracts) but nothing was

ever

> reported in the antiviral sense. Apart from this anecdotal bit,

where it

> seems one of the components might be interfering with viral

inflammatory

> effects: http://www.uveitis.org/medical/lab/tetrandr.html

> Someone mentioned might be histamine-related...

If I'm reading this correctly (big IF) it would seem to say that

this herb works on reducing inflammation caused by herpes virus, and

it does it particularly well some time after infection as opposed to

early in the infection. This would seem extremely helpful for our

children, if it were the case. Did you ever run a viral panel to

see what viruses you might be dealing with?

Do people on LDN ever see anything like this from the immune system

shifting/improving? Did you see any sort of regression during this

time? Is your child on any other antivirals? I remember you were

looking a lot into mushrooms, etc. As far as you know are any docs

recommending this product--how did you find out about it?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is very interesting to me.

> btw have you come across Marine Red Algae on your antiviral

quest?

> http://www.google.co.uk/search?

hl=en & cr=countryUK|countryGB & c2coff=1 & sa=\

>

X & oi=spell & resnum=0 & ct=result & cd=1 & q=marine+red+algae+herpes & spell=1

I've not seen this, no. Actually, I've halted my antiviral search

for now. I must attend to my son's thyroid and I'm in the midst of

getting therapists set up for him. More like coaches for me

(Floortime).

Thanks Natasa. This VRP supp is a very interesting find.

Anita

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>

[Guest guest]

> If I'm reading this correctly (big IF) it would seem to say that > this herb works on reducing inflammation caused by herpes virus, and > it does it particularly well some time after infection as opposed to > early in the infection. This would seem extremely helpful for our > children, if it were the case. Did you ever run a viral panel to > see what viruses you might be dealing with?

Yes, that was my understanding as well, that this

is happening in retina/cornea at least following herpes

infection.... could not find if anyone has looked in something

similar happening in neurons though.

Unfortunately no viral panel done.£££!!$$$$ > > Do people on LDN ever see anything like this from the immune system > shifting/improving?

Many see more infections, colds etc.... we saw

two high fevers followed by a regression about a month into LDN. both

times we tried introducing Manuka honey. The regression with stop after

fever came down. No additional gains from it. Since then we could not

go up to the full dose LDN. Also, my feeling is that lots of benefits

we are seeing (and I stress we, as is probably a different story with

other kids) from LDN is more to do with regulating membrane conductance

and cell signalling than from its effects on the immune system.

I also have a feeling Luka's immune system is just overactive (he

used to be a 'never sick hyperimmune kid'), there is too much going on

and he regresses while febrile. I know lots of ASD kids are exactly the

opposite, they do well while having a fever/cold..... maybe this could

be an indication as to which kids are likely to do well on

antiinflammatories, and which kids could do well on immune-boosters,

things that raise cytokine levels (like honey etc.).

No other antivirals. I am in two minds now, as thinking upping his

immune system migh make it even more active, bring about more

inflammation... would so like to talk about an expert about this, of

course no way of finding or paying for one.

As far as you know are any docs > recommending this product--how did you find out about it?

It was only launched in January or so. Read about

it in VRP newsletter, and as it mentioned calcium channel blocking

properties I was all ears and kept on reading and

digging....

Best,

Natasa

> > > > > btw have you come across Marine Red Algae on your antiviral > quest? > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?> hl=en & cr=countryUK|countryGB & c2coff=1 & sa=\> > > X & oi=spell & resnum=0 & ct=result & cd=1 & q=marine+red+algae+herpes & spell=1> > I've not seen this, no. Actually, I've halted my antiviral search > for now. I must attend to my son's thyroid and I'm in the midst of > getting therapists set up for him. More like coaches for me > (Floortime).> > Thanks Natasa. This VRP supp is a very interesting find.> > Anita> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M list.

Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

might have something to offer regarding this.

Let me know if that's okay with you.

Thanks,

Anita

[Guest guest]

Hi, do you mean autism mercury? Yes, that is fine. I am not a member,

please let me know if there are interesting replies...

Natasa

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, do you mean autism mercury? Yes, that is fine. I am not a member,

please let me know if there are interesting replies...

Natasa

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, do you mean autism mercury? Yes, that is fine. I am not a member,

please let me know if there are interesting replies...

Natasa

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasha,

I'd like to see the references too, if its not to much hassle to send.

Thanks

Sharon

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M

list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasha,

I'd like to see the references too, if its not to much hassle to send.

Thanks

Sharon

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M

list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasha,

I'd like to see the references too, if its not to much hassle to send.

Thanks

Sharon

>

> Natasa,

>

> I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

>

> I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M

list.

> Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> might have something to offer regarding this.

>

> Let me know if that's okay with you.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon, can you email me with your full email address as don't know how

to send attachments via personal messages. Email me on this one: neno @

dalmaholidays. co . uk (no spaces)

Natasa

> >

> > Natasa,

> >

> > I just saw that you forwarded me the information about this product.

> > I'm going to try to understand it later tonight.

> >

> > I was wondering if you'd mind me sending this thread to the A-M

> list.

> > Lots of people there with expertise about esoteric stuff. Someone

> > might have something to offer regarding this.

> >

> > Let me know if that's okay with you.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Natasa,

If there are interesting replies to it I will provide the post #'s

here (anyone can read at a-m: it's an open list). I am, however,

always trying to entice my favourite people to join us at autism-

mercury. It really is a fabulous list. Hint, hint... ;-)

Did you notice today's SAR had a couple articles about inflamation

and ASD? I thought that was interesting given this fabulous lead

you've provided us.

Anita

>

> Hi, do you mean autism mercury? Yes, that is fine. I am not a

member,

> please let me know if there are interesting replies...

>

> Natasa

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Natasa,

If there are interesting replies to it I will provide the post #'s

here (anyone can read at a-m: it's an open list). I am, however,

always trying to entice my favourite people to join us at autism-

mercury. It really is a fabulous list. Hint, hint... ;-)

Did you notice today's SAR had a couple articles about inflamation

and ASD? I thought that was interesting given this fabulous lead

you've provided us.

Anita

>

> Hi, do you mean autism mercury? Yes, that is fine. I am not a

member,

> please let me know if there are interesting replies...

>

> Natasa

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasha

Couldn't get my mail through to you on the below addy. Want to try

directly to me on sharon_asd_uk @ hotmail. com ?

(NO SPACES)

We'll get there

Thanks,

Sharon

> >

> > Hi Natasha,

> >

> > I'd like to see the references too, if its not to much hassle to

send.

> > Thanks

> >

> > Sharon

> >