Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dear Mike, I called Waves Forest in regard to this article in 1998. He said that he was not an authority, and was just a writer repeating what he was told and without independent verification of the facts within the article. Vaporware. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH --------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael c slivinski <sunbrite1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:20:28 -0300 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dear Mike, I called Waves Forest in regard to this article in 1998. He said that he was not an authority, and was just a writer repeating what he was told and without independent verification of the facts within the article. Vaporware. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH --------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael c slivinski <sunbrite1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:20:28 -0300 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dear Mike, I called Waves Forest in regard to this article in 1998. He said that he was not an authority, and was just a writer repeating what he was told and without independent verification of the facts within the article. Vaporware. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH --------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael c slivinski <sunbrite1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:20:28 -0300 Hello All, this site mention right off that when ozone contacts water.... it produces h2o2... and this sight might be inerror also... or correct.... so here it is: http://www.stopcancer.com/aids & cancer06.htm AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION by Waves Forest " OXYGEN WATER " A much simpler type of Oxygen Therapy uses hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is what ozone (O3) forms on contact with water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water to 1/200 or less, absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (anywhere from 1-8 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub half full), or in severe cases it can be injected (250 cc of .075% to .15% or roughly 1/1300 to 1/650). Injections obviously require a physicians assistance, but self treatment is possible with oral and skin applications. also this site: http://www.bedsoresolutions.com/Docs/peroxide.htm " Hydrogen peroxide may be cure-all " By Kope Reprinted from Alaska Well Being magizine October 12, 1987 Arthritis completely disappearing, high blood pressure normalizing, cancers going into remission, high energy returned, bowels regulated, alertness and memory back, elimination of depression… these are a few of the results people are getting from taking food grade hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, water with an extra oxygen atom. Water (H2O) is the very substance of life and oxygen is its breath. Together they spell hydrogen peroxide. When the sun’s ultraviolet rays strike the earth’s layer of oxygen it turns our oxygen precipitates down. When ozone is bubbled through water it turns water into hydrogen peroxide. So when the ozone meets the moisture it turns into hydrogen peroxide and comes down as rain. Rainwater is located with hydrogen peroxide And so maybe the Doctor took somebody else's word on this... like we so often do with many other piecs of information in this work. hope this is of help. Mike Slivinski On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 " Marcus " <charlesm@...> writes: > Dr Bormann, > > If what you keep saying is true, then either: > > 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references > to back > up your assertions, or > > 2) I should have no trouble finding them. > > To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that > these > references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. > > I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down > fairly > quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on > this, > but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. > > As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, > it would > be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like > H2O2. > > Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very > quickly in > numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that > SOMETHING is > happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood > oxygen > levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so > regardless > of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay > are. > > Marcus > > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > > > <snip> > > > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > > ozone but it is generally thought to be > > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > > do some research on ozone and > > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > > > Dr.Bormann > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear , Good post. Water contains a small amount of disassociated hydrogen ions (H+) and a small amount of disassociated hydroxyl ions (OH-). When ozone is bubbled through water, the hydrogen ions will be reacted with and will form H2O, water. This reduces the amount of free hydrogen ions in the water. Since pH is a measurement of free hydrogen ions (potential of Hydrogen) the pH of ozonated water rises slightly (becoming slightly more alkaline) because these H+ ions are no longer free, and therefore do not register. Ozone bubbled through water DOES NOT create hydrogen peroxide, at any time. If it did, 50,000 water bottlers around the world who use ozone to clean their water would be out of business because no one would buy water that tasted as crappy as peroxide does. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Marcus " <charlesm@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 Dr Bormann, If what you keep saying is true, then either: 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references to back up your assertions, or 2) I should have no trouble finding them. To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that these references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down fairly quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on this, but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, it would be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like H2O2. Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very quickly in numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that SOMETHING is happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood oxygen levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so regardless of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay are. Marcus > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > <snip> > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > ozone but it is generally thought to be > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > do some research on ozone and > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > Dr.Bormann _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear , Good post. Water contains a small amount of disassociated hydrogen ions (H+) and a small amount of disassociated hydroxyl ions (OH-). When ozone is bubbled through water, the hydrogen ions will be reacted with and will form H2O, water. This reduces the amount of free hydrogen ions in the water. Since pH is a measurement of free hydrogen ions (potential of Hydrogen) the pH of ozonated water rises slightly (becoming slightly more alkaline) because these H+ ions are no longer free, and therefore do not register. Ozone bubbled through water DOES NOT create hydrogen peroxide, at any time. If it did, 50,000 water bottlers around the world who use ozone to clean their water would be out of business because no one would buy water that tasted as crappy as peroxide does. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Marcus " <charlesm@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 Dr Bormann, If what you keep saying is true, then either: 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references to back up your assertions, or 2) I should have no trouble finding them. To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that these references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down fairly quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on this, but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, it would be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like H2O2. Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very quickly in numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that SOMETHING is happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood oxygen levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so regardless of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay are. Marcus > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > <snip> > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > ozone but it is generally thought to be > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > do some research on ozone and > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > Dr.Bormann _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear , Good post. Water contains a small amount of disassociated hydrogen ions (H+) and a small amount of disassociated hydroxyl ions (OH-). When ozone is bubbled through water, the hydrogen ions will be reacted with and will form H2O, water. This reduces the amount of free hydrogen ions in the water. Since pH is a measurement of free hydrogen ions (potential of Hydrogen) the pH of ozonated water rises slightly (becoming slightly more alkaline) because these H+ ions are no longer free, and therefore do not register. Ozone bubbled through water DOES NOT create hydrogen peroxide, at any time. If it did, 50,000 water bottlers around the world who use ozone to clean their water would be out of business because no one would buy water that tasted as crappy as peroxide does. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Marcus " <charlesm@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Ozone chemistry Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:01 -0400 Dr Bormann, If what you keep saying is true, then either: 1) You should have no trouble posting some authoritative references to back up your assertions, or 2) I should have no trouble finding them. To date, you have not done #1 (beyond making the assertion that these references exist), and I have been unsuccessful doing #2. I have seen numerous references to the fact that it breaks down fairly quickly to OXYGEN, and I have not heard anyone disagree with you on this, but NOTHING that says it breaks down or converts itself into H2O2. As has been stated previously, if it did indeed convert into H2O2, it would be easy to tell by the taste, and ozonated water tastes nothing like H2O2. Also, the fact that the use of ozone steam saunas results very quickly in numerous and varying cleansing reactions, it is obvious that SOMETHING is happening as a result of the ozone. Blood tests reveal that blood oxygen levels are significantly increased after an ozone steam sauna, so regardless of HOW the oxygen levels are being increased, it is a fact that thay are. Marcus > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:00:38 -0700 > From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> > Subject: Re: Re: herpes virus/nope > <snip> > > Yes, you're drinking peroxide...ozone is extremely short > lived and unstable. It's all gone in short > order...mostly you're getting peroxide. There is transient > ozone but it is generally thought to be > so short lived to not have any immediate effect. You need to > do some research on ozone and > water...there are literally hundreds of citations on the > Internet since ozone is used in commercial > and private water purification some 40 years now... > > Dr.Bormann _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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