Re: Group management

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Again, finding an application is not the problem.

Collating the data in a useable form is the problem and I can put it in an excel file and send to everyone on the list.

It won't be that big.

What data do you want in it?

Regards

Re: Group management

I belive google has free on line data base programs. There are others but have to pay for. Some of the better ones are about $200 a month. Just a test do a search for brain then brainfog then brain fog. This gives you some idea of the work that it is going to take. >> I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would take time.> You know when someone creates a search like google they don't actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords list and file all the refs to that keyword.> So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, and applications. > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> PPT's are not text. > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > Regards >

[Guest guest]

Again, finding an application is not the problem.

Collating the data in a useable form is the problem and I can put it in an excel file and send to everyone on the list.

It won't be that big.

What data do you want in it?

Regards

Re: Group management

I belive google has free on line data base programs. There are others but have to pay for. Some of the better ones are about $200 a month. Just a test do a search for brain then brainfog then brain fog. This gives you some idea of the work that it is going to take. >> I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would take time.> You know when someone creates a search like google they don't actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords list and file all the refs to that keyword.> So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, and applications. > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> PPT's are not text. > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > Regards >

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Not as easy if you search for PRA.

> > > >

> > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.

> > > >

> > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would

> > > take time.

> > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't

> > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords

> > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.

> > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in

> > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.

> > > >

> > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links,

> > > and applications.

> > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read

> > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.

> > > > PPT's are not text.

> > > >

> > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they

> > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each

> > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of

> > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > >

>

[Guest guest]

If I was going to do it, I'd put it in FMP because of ease of learning, simple design, flexibility of import and export of comma separated text files or tab separated text files.

I have FMP 6 got on ebay.

You don't need adobe to do pdf's.

Openoffice does it too. Nice if you want to add figures.

Regards

Re: Re: Group management

but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.

CE Grim MD

On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well.

[Guest guest]

If I was going to do it, I'd put it in FMP because of ease of learning, simple design, flexibility of import and export of comma separated text files or tab separated text files.

I have FMP 6 got on ebay.

You don't need adobe to do pdf's.

Openoffice does it too. Nice if you want to add figures.

Regards

Re: Re: Group management

but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.

CE Grim MD

On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well.

[Guest guest]

If I was going to do it, I'd put it in FMP because of ease of learning, simple design, flexibility of import and export of comma separated text files or tab separated text files.

I have FMP 6 got on ebay.

You don't need adobe to do pdf's.

Openoffice does it too. Nice if you want to add figures.

Regards

Re: Re: Group management

but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.

CE Grim MD

On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well.

[Guest guest]

I assume you mean import/export not copy/paste.

Format the data and import sections.

Very easy in FMP because you cannot lose the file - it's being built as you import. Keep lotsa copies in case you import 1000 records you didn't want.

Regards

Re: Group management

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. > > >> > > There is no easy way to search the file's contents, without downloading each file, may be the problem.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>__________ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

I assume you mean import/export not copy/paste.

Format the data and import sections.

Very easy in FMP because you cannot lose the file - it's being built as you import. Keep lotsa copies in case you import 1000 records you didn't want.

Regards

Re: Group management

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. > > >> > > There is no easy way to search the file's contents, without downloading each file, may be the problem.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>__________ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

I assume you mean import/export not copy/paste.

Format the data and import sections.

Very easy in FMP because you cannot lose the file - it's being built as you import. Keep lotsa copies in case you import 1000 records you didn't want.

Regards

Re: Group management

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. > > >> > > There is no easy way to search the file's contents, without downloading each file, may be the problem.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>__________ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.

I did this just to see the problems.

I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.

Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).

And the posts are repetitive as to data.

Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces.

But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing.

Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts.

I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline.

Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words.

When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc.

And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg.

BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you.

If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB.

An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export?

Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?

Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image.

Regards

Re: Group management

What ever data base we use we first have to get the raw data someplace where it is easy to work with. Something JW is willing to do. > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >

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EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.

I did this just to see the problems.

I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.

Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).

And the posts are repetitive as to data.

Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces.

But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing.

Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts.

I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline.

Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words.

When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc.

And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg.

BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you.

If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB.

An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export?

Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?

Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image.

Regards

Re: Group management

What ever data base we use we first have to get the raw data someplace where it is easy to work with. Something JW is willing to do. > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >

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EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.

I did this just to see the problems.

I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.

Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).

And the posts are repetitive as to data.

Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces.

But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing.

Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts.

I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline.

Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words.

When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc.

And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg.

BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you.

If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB.

An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export?

Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?

Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image.

Regards

Re: Group management

What ever data base we use we first have to get the raw data someplace where it is easy to work with. Something JW is willing to do. > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >

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To all: we are beginning to build the data base data collection. Thoughts and comments needed. JW/Bill I am going to send you something from file maker. It follows the way I do data collection on a new patient. I see two goals of the detailed questionnaire.1. To collect the information we need to try to make sense of what is causing the person's problem. 2. To educate the person about HTN and how to control it.3. Point our items they need to discuss with their Dr. We may have worked on before (I think). But I now may have more time to work on it.Many areas will have items they can choose. In FMP these can be set up as drop downs. I can import from excel or export to excelYOu can download a free 30 day trial of FMPro so you can read it I think. Also a cheaper version is a DB called Bento. I don't know its power compared to FMP. One advantage with FMP is that I can set fields so only I can see them if folks don't want others to see the data. We can also set it so they can only see their own data. We can also allow all to view certain fields but not change them. For example: Education level1. Less than high school2. High school3. Some college4. Degree if yes choose degree BS, MS etc then choose field. This gives me an idea on how to talk to the patient the rest of the interview and in the future And sets the stage for which educational approaches I think about and use.BEGIN DATADate: 100309To the member completing the form:The goal of collecting this

information is to get as much detailed medically relevant information as we can

about your history of high blood pressure. Only then will be best equipped to assess the best way(s) to

control your BP This history will give us

possible clues to the cause(s) of your high blood pressure also called

hypertension (HTN). It will alert us to the need for further testing to

elucidate the cause(s) of your HTN. SALT: You might be one of the

many who can lower their BP to safer, healthier levels by simply changing how

you eat-especially by lowering the amount of salt you consume. If lowering your salt intake lowers

your BP you are called salt sensitive (SS). The beauty of being SS is that you can lower your BP within

2 weeks by lowering your salt (NaCl) intake. DASH: You might be one who can lower your BP to healthier levels

by using the mulipronged, best proven, eating plan called the Dietary

Approaches to Stopping Hypertension (DASH) diet. The beauty of being DASH sensitive (DS) is that you can reduce you blood pressure to normal in

15 days by following the DASH eating plan. WEIGHT: You might be one of the

many who can lower their BP to healthier levels by losing weight. We call these folks weight sensitive

(WS). Most of this effect will be seen with the loss of only 10 pounds. ALCOHOL: You might be one of

those who can lower their BP by deceasing your alcohol consumption. We call

these folks alcohol sensitive (AS). STRESS: You might be one who can lower your BP

by reducing your stress. We call

these folks stress sensitive (STS). EXERCISE: You might be one who

can lower your BP by increasing your exercise. We call these folks exercise sensitive (ETS). MORE than ONE of these. In some more than one of the items

above may help your BP. You are

unique in the world. Only you and

your health care team can find out which of one(s) of these will get your BP to

goal. When these methods fail they

you will and your health care team need to discuss which medication(s) should

be used to get you to goal. Some will require medications

that attack the specific problem(s) that are causing

You can download and print out a

copy of this form to take to your health care team so you can get better

control your BP.

Please give us the year you were

born: ____. We know that blood

pressure goes up with age in societies that eat too much salt. The causes of high blood pressure

differ in different age groups. Different medications work better in the young

than in the old.

Gender ___. Women tend to have lower BP than men

till menopause.

Ethnicity (race)_____ different

ethnic groups tend to have different BP problems. For example those descended

from the African Diaspora tend to be more SS and respond better to drugs called

diuretics. Those of Chinese

descent tend to metabolize beta blockers (BB) slower. As we learn more about

human genetics we will be better able to think about what is causing your high

blood pressure and what are the best life style changes/drugs we need to get

your BP to goal.

Where were you born: List

Where were you raised: List + text

How far in school did you go

(years)?

What is your degree in?

This

enables me to be sure I don’t talk up or down to you.

What are the last 3 jobs you

had: 1, for X years 2 for X years, 3 for X years

This

may tell me how to relate your

What are your hobbies? Three choices from list

Living situation: living alone

(single), married live together, divorced, living with another person. How many

in household now: XX

Who cooks at your house?

Do you currently follow a specific

diet? No yes list types.

If you cook how many do you cook

for?

When was the last time you bought

a box of salt?

How old were you when you were

first noted to have HTN? Age

How was your HTN picked up? I was in

emergency room for XXXAt a

routine check upI was

pregnantI went to

the Dr for the symptom(s) listed below.

On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:16 PM, jwwright wrote:Again, finding an application is not the problem.Collating the data in a useable form is the problem and I can put it in an excel file and send to everyone on the list.It won't be that big. What data do you want in it? Regards Re: Group management I belive google has free on line data base programs. There are others but have to pay for. Some of the better ones are about $200 a month. Just a test do a search for brain then brainfog then brain fog. This gives you some idea of the work that it is going to take. >> I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would take time.> You know when someone creates a search like google they don't actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords list and file all the refs to that keyword.> So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, and applications. > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> PPT's are not text. > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > Regards >

[Guest guest]

I have built in analysis in some of my FMP files. For example I can find all who are age XX to XXX and get average age, BP, arm circumference etc. What I have not been able to do is to generate graphs directly from FMP. I have another data base FBP program on line where my wife and I who have FMP can up date program etc. but others can only enter data.CEG On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:06 PM, jwwright wrote:EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.I did this just to see the problems. I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).And the posts are repetitive as to data. Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces.But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing.Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts. I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline.Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words. When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc.And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg. BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you. If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB. An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export?Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image. Regards Re: Group management What ever data base we use we first have to get the raw data someplace where it is easy to work with. Something JW is willing to do. > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >

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I have built in analysis in some of my FMP files. For example I can find all who are age XX to XXX and get average age, BP, arm circumference etc. What I have not been able to do is to generate graphs directly from FMP. I have another data base FBP program on line where my wife and I who have FMP can up date program etc. but others can only enter data.CEG On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:06 PM, jwwright wrote:EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.I did this just to see the problems. I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).And the posts are repetitive as to data. Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces.But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing.Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts. I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline.Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words. When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc.And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg. BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you. If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB. An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export?Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image. Regards Re: Group management What ever data base we use we first have to get the raw data someplace where it is easy to work with. Something JW is willing to do. > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >

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Picking the right search terms is everything.

Regards

Re: Group management

Not as easy if you search for PRA. >> EG, just now I searched my archive for "eliminating AVS" and found 19 posts.> I did this just to see the problems.> > I opened those 19 in a minute or so and looked at each one.> Actually very little data concerning "eliminating AVS" ( a judgment call - not a secretary job).> And the posts are repetitive as to data.> > Now if Dr Grim (or med student, eg) wants to read all those posts, I can email that file. I can email the whole file in 3 MB pieces. > But converting those to text using an available OTC application gets another copy/paste thing. > Forget the words copy/paste if you're talking a thousand posts.> > I'm not averse to work, just silly work. I have at least 60,000 HTN abstracts in FMP files by year, also the text files I created to get them in there, formatted in such a way they would fit readily in the FMP outline. > Took a while. Now I just use the text file and scan it by eye. Maybe highlight certain words. > > > When I got threw, I had a searchable DB (limited search), and searching for an item might produce 1000 records (abstracts), which I could then export to a text file. So by proper formatting of the text file that goes in I could separate Conclusions, Results, Methods, etc. > And in exporting I could select just conclusions, eg.> > BUT I always had to READ that 1000 conclusions. There is no DB gonna ANALYZE the data for you. > > If you want to use email data you must format a set of questions, answers to go into the DB.> > An online is nice if everyone can input data - there the question is how do we get the SET out into our PC for analysis? Does it export? > Can we import sets? If so why not post the set to begin with?> Put it in an excel file, emailer will treat it like an image.> > Regards>

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No.

Runs in only a MAC?

http://www.bentotrial.com/trial/form/entry.aspx?try=bentoPPtry

"IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ:Bento requires Mac OS X v10.5.7 Leopard or Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Please upgrade before installing the Bento Trial."

FMP runs in any system.

Does a Bento import FMP files?

Regards

Re: Re: Group management

but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.

CE Grim MD

On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well.

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No.

Runs in only a MAC?

http://www.bentotrial.com/trial/form/entry.aspx?try=bentoPPtry

"IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ:Bento requires Mac OS X v10.5.7 Leopard or Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Please upgrade before installing the Bento Trial."

FMP runs in any system.

Does a Bento import FMP files?

Regards

Re: Re: Group management

but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.

CE Grim MD

On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:

Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well.

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Are you looking for input on the questions?

> > >

> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.

> > >

> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would

> > take time.

> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't

> > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords

> > list and file all the refs to that keyword.

> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in

> > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.

> > >

> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links,

> > and applications.

> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read

> > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.

> > > PPT's are not text.

> > >

> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they

> > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each

> > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of

> > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I added some notes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.

> > > > >

> > > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It

> > would

> > > > take time.

> > > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't

> > > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords

> > > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.

> > > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you

> > want in

> > > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links,

> > > > and applications.

> > > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to

> > read

> > > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text

> > file, eg.

> > > > > PPT's are not text.

> > > > >

> > > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they

> > > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload

> > each

> > > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of

> > > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I added some notes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.

> > > > >

> > > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It

> > would

> > > > take time.

> > > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't

> > > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords

> > > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.

> > > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you

> > want in

> > > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links,

> > > > and applications.

> > > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to

> > read

> > > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text

> > file, eg.

> > > > > PPT's are not text.

> > > > >

> > > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they

> > > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload

> > each

> > > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of

> > > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I added some notes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.

> > > > >

> > > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It

> > would

> > > > take time.

> > > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't

> > > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords

> > > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.

> > > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you

> > want in

> > > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links,

> > > > and applications.

> > > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to

> > read

> > > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text

> > file, eg.

> > > > > PPT's are not text.

> > > > >

> > > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they

> > > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload

> > each

> > > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of

> > > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > >

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