Re: Sleep problems - need help

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty,

Would you be able to post a little more info on the other treatments already in place. We had a very sleepless little boy until we withdrew gluten and cassein. Within weeks he was sleeping through the night.

Jane

Sleep problems - need help

Dear all,I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my DD and sleeping through the night.My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,- melatonin 1 mg- 5HTP 50 mg- LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is a hormone, I am quite worried. 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the same time with melatonin ?On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is for immune system.Now I am confused..Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is now worsen. Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!Help please..thanks,Tetty

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty,

Would you be able to post a little more info on the other treatments already in place. We had a very sleepless little boy until we withdrew gluten and cassein. Within weeks he was sleeping through the night.

Jane

Sleep problems - need help

Dear all,I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my DD and sleeping through the night.My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,- melatonin 1 mg- 5HTP 50 mg- LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is a hormone, I am quite worried. 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the same time with melatonin ?On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is for immune system.Now I am confused..Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is now worsen. Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!Help please..thanks,Tetty

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty, what is her diet like? Could she have a problem with casein?

For us casein/dairy and gluten withdrawal were also big for improving

sleep.

Re melatonin, lots of people report that it works well, but usually only

for a while.

LDN helps with all sorts of things (no one really knows why, lots of

pieces missing yet, but when it works it is GREAT for all sorts of

things, sleep improvements being one of them. In you place I would try

that one first (after introducing the diet!) and then try m and 5htp if

those two things don't do the trick.

Natasa

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty, what is her diet like? Could she have a problem with casein?

For us casein/dairy and gluten withdrawal were also big for improving

sleep.

Re melatonin, lots of people report that it works well, but usually only

for a while.

LDN helps with all sorts of things (no one really knows why, lots of

pieces missing yet, but when it works it is GREAT for all sorts of

things, sleep improvements being one of them. In you place I would try

that one first (after introducing the diet!) and then try m and 5htp if

those two things don't do the trick.

Natasa

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty, what is her diet like? Could she have a problem with casein?

For us casein/dairy and gluten withdrawal were also big for improving

sleep.

Re melatonin, lots of people report that it works well, but usually only

for a while.

LDN helps with all sorts of things (no one really knows why, lots of

pieces missing yet, but when it works it is GREAT for all sorts of

things, sleep improvements being one of them. In you place I would try

that one first (after introducing the diet!) and then try m and 5htp if

those two things don't do the trick.

Natasa

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasa. She is already in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now.

When she was under 1.5 years, she used to have night awakening due

to colic. I changed her milk to soy and the problem went away.

Now I am just thinking whether it is from soy as she is taking soy

formula milk (my DD is 2.5 yo).

Thanks for your advice. I will try LDN first then.

Tetty

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> >

> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> >

> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> > - melatonin 1 mg

> > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> >

> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> >

> > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> >

> > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> > same time with melatonin ?

> >

> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> > for immune system.

> >

> > Now I am confused..

> >

> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> >

> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> > now worsen.

> >

> > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> >

> > Help please..

> >

> > thanks,

> > Tetty

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasa. She is already in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now.

When she was under 1.5 years, she used to have night awakening due

to colic. I changed her milk to soy and the problem went away.

Now I am just thinking whether it is from soy as she is taking soy

formula milk (my DD is 2.5 yo).

Thanks for your advice. I will try LDN first then.

Tetty

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> >

> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> >

> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> > - melatonin 1 mg

> > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> >

> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> >

> > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> >

> > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> > same time with melatonin ?

> >

> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> > for immune system.

> >

> > Now I am confused..

> >

> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> >

> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> > now worsen.

> >

> > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> >

> > Help please..

> >

> > thanks,

> > Tetty

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Natasa. She is already in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now.

When she was under 1.5 years, she used to have night awakening due

to colic. I changed her milk to soy and the problem went away.

Now I am just thinking whether it is from soy as she is taking soy

formula milk (my DD is 2.5 yo).

Thanks for your advice. I will try LDN first then.

Tetty

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> >

> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> >

> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> > - melatonin 1 mg

> > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> >

> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> >

> > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> >

> > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> > same time with melatonin ?

> >

> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> > for immune system.

> >

> > Now I am confused..

> >

> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> >

> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> > now worsen.

> >

> > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> >

> > Help please..

> >

> > thanks,

> > Tetty

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Jane,

She is in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now. I didn't see it helps

her sleep.

Is your son in soy free diet or not ?

I am just thinking whether soy can be an issue as well.

thanks,

Tetty

>

> Hi Tetty,

>

> Would you be able to post a little more info on the other

treatments already in place. We had a very sleepless little boy

until we withdrew gluten and cassein. Within weeks he was sleeping

through the night.

>

> Jane

> Sleep problems - need help

>

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking

for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at

the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it

is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Theory is if you give Melatonin at any other time than at night, you would disrupt the circadian rhythm. We have not noticed this fact.

Melatonin will not work if you are not low in it. We gave this and noticed a big improvement in cognitive functioning early on. We did not give it for sleep, we had no problems there, but it did make her sleeply.

We used a very little bit (.75mg) when she took her nap and 1.5 mgs at night before she went to bed. Melatonin is a great brain antioxidant and is said to be great for the immune system. For some kids, I suspect the ones who have a harder time getting enough oxygen to their brain, there is a great boost.

Re: Sleep problems - need help

In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

Lotsa Love Caroline

xxx

[Guest guest]

Tetty,

Aside from the fact that many of our kids have problems with soy,

there may be problems inherent to soy for the entire population.

Getting rid of the formula, particularly now that she's 2.5, might be

a wise decision.

The Weston A Price foundation has come out strongly against soy (at

least at the enormous levels many people now consume it) and with good

reason, IMO.

You may want to check here as a starting point:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Best,

Anita

>

> Hi Natasa. She is already in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now.

>

> When she was under 1.5 years, she used to have night awakening due

> to colic. I changed her milk to soy and the problem went away.

>

> Now I am just thinking whether it is from soy as she is taking soy

> formula milk (my DD is 2.5 yo).

>

> Thanks for your advice. I will try LDN first then.

>

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Is melatonin safe for a long term use or we use them as a weapon

until the underlying causes are(whatever that is) fixed ?

thanks,

Tetty

>

> Theory is if you give Melatonin at any other time than at night,

you would disrupt the circadian rhythm. We have not noticed this

fact.

>

> Melatonin will not work if you are not low in it. We gave this and

noticed a big improvement in cognitive functioning early on. We did

not give it for sleep, we had no problems there, but it did make her

sleeply.

>

> We used a very little bit (.75mg) when she took her nap and 1.5

mgs at night before she went to bed. Melatonin is a great brain

antioxidant and is said to be great for the immune system. For some

kids, I suspect the ones who have a harder time getting enough

oxygen to their brain, there is a great boost.

>

>

> Re: Sleep problems - need

help

>

>

> In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@... writes:

> Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

> I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

>

> Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the

story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

>

> Lotsa Love Caroline

> xxx

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Is melatonin safe for a long term use or we use them as a weapon

until the underlying causes are(whatever that is) fixed ?

thanks,

Tetty

>

> Theory is if you give Melatonin at any other time than at night,

you would disrupt the circadian rhythm. We have not noticed this

fact.

>

> Melatonin will not work if you are not low in it. We gave this and

noticed a big improvement in cognitive functioning early on. We did

not give it for sleep, we had no problems there, but it did make her

sleeply.

>

> We used a very little bit (.75mg) when she took her nap and 1.5

mgs at night before she went to bed. Melatonin is a great brain

antioxidant and is said to be great for the immune system. For some

kids, I suspect the ones who have a harder time getting enough

oxygen to their brain, there is a great boost.

>

>

> Re: Sleep problems - need

help

>

>

> In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@... writes:

> Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

> I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

>

> Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the

story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

>

> Lotsa Love Caroline

> xxx

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Is melatonin safe for a long term use or we use them as a weapon

until the underlying causes are(whatever that is) fixed ?

thanks,

Tetty

>

> Theory is if you give Melatonin at any other time than at night,

you would disrupt the circadian rhythm. We have not noticed this

fact.

>

> Melatonin will not work if you are not low in it. We gave this and

noticed a big improvement in cognitive functioning early on. We did

not give it for sleep, we had no problems there, but it did make her

sleeply.

>

> We used a very little bit (.75mg) when she took her nap and 1.5

mgs at night before she went to bed. Melatonin is a great brain

antioxidant and is said to be great for the immune system. For some

kids, I suspect the ones who have a harder time getting enough

oxygen to their brain, there is a great boost.

>

>

> Re: Sleep problems - need

help

>

>

> In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@... writes:

> Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

> I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

>

> Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the

story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

>

> Lotsa Love Caroline

> xxx

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty,

For us removing gluten and cassein alone (and we did make mistakes at first ) made a big difference in the sleep department. was a child who slept for a few hours before midnight and then woke, wide eyed, giggled, made stupid noises, bounced on the bed, invaded our bed and carried on like this for a few hours everynight until he finally fell asleep around four oclock in the morning - we were totally exhausted and this caused us a huge amount of stress. This behaviour went on for years. The diet solved this within weeks. We only ever have a problem when gets gluten or cassein. In fact, now that we are using digestive enzymes I don't think the odd infraction causes us much if any problems. We are soy and now sugar free but we had already solved the sleep problems when we took these out.

Jane

Sleep problems - need help> > > Dear all,> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my > DD and sleeping through the night.> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,> - melatonin 1 mg> - 5HTP 50 mg> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. > > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is > a hormone, I am quite worried. > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the > same time with melatonin ?> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is > for immune system.> > Now I am confused..> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is > now worsen. > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!> > Help please..> > thanks,> Tetty> > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty,

For us removing gluten and cassein alone (and we did make mistakes at first ) made a big difference in the sleep department. was a child who slept for a few hours before midnight and then woke, wide eyed, giggled, made stupid noises, bounced on the bed, invaded our bed and carried on like this for a few hours everynight until he finally fell asleep around four oclock in the morning - we were totally exhausted and this caused us a huge amount of stress. This behaviour went on for years. The diet solved this within weeks. We only ever have a problem when gets gluten or cassein. In fact, now that we are using digestive enzymes I don't think the odd infraction causes us much if any problems. We are soy and now sugar free but we had already solved the sleep problems when we took these out.

Jane

Sleep problems - need help> > > Dear all,> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my > DD and sleeping through the night.> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,> - melatonin 1 mg> - 5HTP 50 mg> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. > > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is > a hormone, I am quite worried. > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the > same time with melatonin ?> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is > for immune system.> > Now I am confused..> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is > now worsen. > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!> > Help please..> > thanks,> Tetty> > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tetty,

For us removing gluten and cassein alone (and we did make mistakes at first ) made a big difference in the sleep department. was a child who slept for a few hours before midnight and then woke, wide eyed, giggled, made stupid noises, bounced on the bed, invaded our bed and carried on like this for a few hours everynight until he finally fell asleep around four oclock in the morning - we were totally exhausted and this caused us a huge amount of stress. This behaviour went on for years. The diet solved this within weeks. We only ever have a problem when gets gluten or cassein. In fact, now that we are using digestive enzymes I don't think the odd infraction causes us much if any problems. We are soy and now sugar free but we had already solved the sleep problems when we took these out.

Jane

Sleep problems - need help> > > Dear all,> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my > DD and sleeping through the night.> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,> - melatonin 1 mg> - 5HTP 50 mg> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. > > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it is > a hormone, I am quite worried. > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the > same time with melatonin ?> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is > for immune system.> > Now I am confused..> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is > now worsen. > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!> > Help please..> > thanks,> Tetty> > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > >

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5HTP is apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but quicker acting)

Really, think I might buy some for myself, tee hee.

Love Caroline

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Any of 's supps I have tried always gave me migraine, they definitely did a good job on things I was trying to tackle, but I would rather look old and feel arthritic than have daily migraines [sigh]

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Now there’s a thought – we’re

both up far too early too, Caroline, and could probably do with some help there

as well! Sara

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5HTP is

apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

quicker acting)

Really,

think I might buy some for myself, tee hee.

Love

Caroline

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5HTP is

apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

quicker acting)

Really,

think I might buy some for myself, tee hee.

Love

Caroline

xxx

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As a by the by

I saw a neurologist last weekend who was talking about current research into

sleep and it's effects.

It was part of two hour conversation so I kind of made a mental note rather

than took any huge detailed interest. Basically he re-iterated the points

you are making about the need for deep, quality sleep to help general

regeneration but also concentration and mood.

He has a hypothesis that the improvement/recovery rate for Autisitc children

is highest where in addition to intervention, deep sleep is achieved.

He's currently carrying out a trial with his autistic patients in Italy with

a view to identifying whether there appears to be any benfit amongst them.

It's relatively informal, with about 20 or so people involved, but he said

he'd keep me posted.

>From: " Sirr " <mark.grabiec@...>

>Reply-Autism Treatment

>Autism Treatment

>Subject: Re: Sleep problems - need help

>Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:09:24 -0000

>

>Melatonin is naturally occuring, we gave Tom this for about 9

>months. It does work - in fact it works on Tom where sedatives

>don't. It also seems to help antioxidant action I think - possibly

>because it encourages deep sleep needed for renewal? I don't know,

>that's a guess. Someone else will know more - but recommended and

>even available on the NHS.

>

>She needs sleep and you need to weigh that up against any possible

>side effects - without sleep and proper deep sleep it's hard for

>your body to put any of the medications into action really

>

>5HTP is apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

>quicker acting)

>

>LDN - yes it's immune support (or jump starter) but that doesn't

>mean that it can't help sleep. HOwever watch her appetite on LDN as

>it can suppress.

>

>In my very limited experience these three don't cut across each

>other - they could work to encourage sleep. a footnote - Tom

>refuses melatonin now - likes to be in control. So maybe a time

>limited treatment anyway.

>

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> >

> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> >

> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> > - melatonin 1 mg

> > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> >

> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> >

> > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

>is

> > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> >

> > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> > same time with melatonin ?

> >

> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> > for immune system.

> >

> > Now I am confused..

> >

> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> >

> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> > now worsen.

> >

> > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> >

> > Help please..

> >

> > thanks,

> > Tetty

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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As a by the by

I saw a neurologist last weekend who was talking about current research into

sleep and it's effects.

It was part of two hour conversation so I kind of made a mental note rather

than took any huge detailed interest. Basically he re-iterated the points

you are making about the need for deep, quality sleep to help general

regeneration but also concentration and mood.

He has a hypothesis that the improvement/recovery rate for Autisitc children

is highest where in addition to intervention, deep sleep is achieved.

He's currently carrying out a trial with his autistic patients in Italy with

a view to identifying whether there appears to be any benfit amongst them.

It's relatively informal, with about 20 or so people involved, but he said

he'd keep me posted.

>From: " Sirr " <mark.grabiec@...>

>Reply-Autism Treatment

>Autism Treatment

>Subject: Re: Sleep problems - need help

>Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:09:24 -0000

>

>Melatonin is naturally occuring, we gave Tom this for about 9

>months. It does work - in fact it works on Tom where sedatives

>don't. It also seems to help antioxidant action I think - possibly

>because it encourages deep sleep needed for renewal? I don't know,

>that's a guess. Someone else will know more - but recommended and

>even available on the NHS.

>

>She needs sleep and you need to weigh that up against any possible

>side effects - without sleep and proper deep sleep it's hard for

>your body to put any of the medications into action really

>

>5HTP is apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

>quicker acting)

>

>LDN - yes it's immune support (or jump starter) but that doesn't

>mean that it can't help sleep. HOwever watch her appetite on LDN as

>it can suppress.

>

>In my very limited experience these three don't cut across each

>other - they could work to encourage sleep. a footnote - Tom

>refuses melatonin now - likes to be in control. So maybe a time

>limited treatment anyway.

>

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> >

> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> >

> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> > - melatonin 1 mg

> > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> >

> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> >

> > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

>is

> > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> >

> > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> > same time with melatonin ?

> >

> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> > for immune system.

> >

> > Now I am confused..

> >

> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> >

> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> > now worsen.

> >

> > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> >

> > Help please..

> >

> > thanks,

> > Tetty

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Tetty,

We've used the melatonin for several years. It was on of our fisrt

successful interventions to help with sleep. She was one of those

kids that was instantly awake even when we would just peek in to

check on her. With melatonin we could actually hear a few snores now

and then. Our daughter has taken both the regular and timed release

form. I, too, was concerned about the hormone affect but when

balanced against good sleep and the purported antioxidant effect of

the melatonin, the I opted to try it.

We've tried 5HTP a couple of times. She does well on tryptophan

which we have used periodically over the years but just goes balistic

on the 5HTP. She participated in the low dose naltrexone study and

has been on 4mg of the topical. We are planning to keep her on it for

awhile. Contrary to what some have experienced, she was constantly

hungry for the first several weeks on ldn. At first her weight went

up a few pounds, then tapered out over the course of the next several

weeks. She has only run a true 'fever'[low grade at 99[f]axillary

once in her life-during one of the first rounds of chelation].

During the 16 weeks of ldn, she's had 4 episodes of low fever. I'm

hopeful that her immune system may be modulating.

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> > >

> > > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> > > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking

for

> > > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> > >

> > > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same

time,

> > > - melatonin 1 mg

> > > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> > >

> > > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> > >

> > > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

> >is

> > > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> > >

> > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> > > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at

the

> > > same time with melatonin ?

> > >

> > > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it

is

> > > for immune system.

> > >

> > > Now I am confused..

> > >

> > > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> > >

> > > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> > > now worsen.

> > >

> > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> > >

> > > Help please..

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > > Tetty

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi Jane I am new to the site and would like to understand about degestive enzymes and about bathing my son in epsom salt as I did bath him in it last night and he slept extermely well but I am just looking on internet and dont really have time to go through well or may be I just need to chat to some one . My son is he is autistic well not fulley the doctors said he is ADHD, has severe learing disability and epilepsy he has no speech but he is a lovely boy lots of smiles. is 12 will talk more later if you want to talk to me [smiles] Eva Jane Hogan <jane_hogan@...> wrote: Hi Tetty, For us removing gluten and cassein alone (and we did make mistakes at first ) made a big difference in the sleep department. was a child who slept for a few hours before midnight and then woke, wide eyed, giggled, made stupid noises, bounced on the bed, invaded our bed and carried on like this for a few hours everynight until he finally fell asleep around four oclock in the morning - we were totally exhausted and this caused us a huge amount of stress. This behaviour went on for years. The diet solved this within weeks. We only ever have a problem when gets gluten or cassein. In fact, now that we are using digestive enzymes I don't think the odd infraction causes us much if any problems. We are soy and now sugar free but we had already

solved the sleep problems when we took these out. Jane Sleep problems - need help> > > Dear all,> > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.> > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my > DD and sleeping through the night.> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.> > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,> - melatonin 1 mg> - 5HTP 50 mg> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)> > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful. > > It said that longer term effect on

melatonin is not known. As it is > a hormone, I am quite worried. > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the > same time with melatonin ?> > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is > for immune system.> > Now I am confused..> > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?> > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is > now worsen. > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!> > Help please..> >

thanks,> Tetty> > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > >