Re: Sleep problems - need help

[Guest guest]

Hello Jane,

She is in GF/CF diet for about 9 months now. I didn't see it helps

her sleep.

Is your son in soy free diet or not ?

I am just thinking whether soy can be an issue as well.

thanks,

Tetty

>

> Hi Tetty,

>

> Would you be able to post a little more info on the other

treatments already in place. We had a very sleepless little boy

until we withdrew gluten and cassein. Within weeks he was sleeping

through the night.

>

> Jane

> Sleep problems - need help

>

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking

for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at

the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it

is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/05/2006 12:39:56 GMT Daylight Time, t_heradini@... writes:

My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>>>>I would suspect yeast or phenol issues for starters as a common cause of night wakening - how are the poops and bahviours otherwise?

Start with the Melantonin IMHO see if you can't get some decent cycle back. If she still wakes early AM, could be the yeats or phenols. Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours, try to keep to same time each night and make bedtime as calm as possible. Very tricky when evenings are so light

Mandi in Dorset

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/05/2006 12:39:56 GMT Daylight Time, t_heradini@... writes:

My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>>>>I would suspect yeast or phenol issues for starters as a common cause of night wakening - how are the poops and bahviours otherwise?

Start with the Melantonin IMHO see if you can't get some decent cycle back. If she still wakes early AM, could be the yeats or phenols. Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours, try to keep to same time each night and make bedtime as calm as possible. Very tricky when evenings are so light

Mandi in Dorset

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

Lotsa Love Caroline

xxx

[Guest guest]

Theory is if you give Melatonin at any other time than at night, you would disrupt the circadian rhythm. We have not noticed this fact.

Melatonin will not work if you are not low in it. We gave this and noticed a big improvement in cognitive functioning early on. We did not give it for sleep, we had no problems there, but it did make her sleeply.

We used a very little bit (.75mg) when she took her nap and 1.5 mgs at night before she went to bed. Melatonin is a great brain antioxidant and is said to be great for the immune system. For some kids, I suspect the ones who have a harder time getting enough oxygen to their brain, there is a great boost.

Re: Sleep problems - need help

In a message dated 29/05/2006 15:01:16 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

Importnat to give Melatonin only once in 24 hours,

I have never heard off this before, do you know why?

Nice to have you back honey.... Have missed you, so whats the story Morning Glory... R U working up to a feedback bulletin....

Lotsa Love Caroline

xxx

[Guest guest]

Melatonin is naturally occuring, we gave Tom this for about 9

months. It does work - in fact it works on Tom where sedatives

don't. It also seems to help antioxidant action I think - possibly

because it encourages deep sleep needed for renewal? I don't know,

that's a guess. Someone else will know more - but recommended and

even available on the NHS.

She needs sleep and you need to weigh that up against any possible

side effects - without sleep and proper deep sleep it's hard for

your body to put any of the medications into action really

5HTP is apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

quicker acting)

LDN - yes it's immune support (or jump starter) but that doesn't

mean that it can't help sleep. HOwever watch her appetite on LDN as

it can suppress.

In my very limited experience these three don't cut across each

other - they could work to encourage sleep. a footnote - Tom

refuses melatonin now - likes to be in control. So maybe a time

limited treatment anyway.

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Melatonin is naturally occuring, we gave Tom this for about 9

months. It does work - in fact it works on Tom where sedatives

don't. It also seems to help antioxidant action I think - possibly

because it encourages deep sleep needed for renewal? I don't know,

that's a guess. Someone else will know more - but recommended and

even available on the NHS.

She needs sleep and you need to weigh that up against any possible

side effects - without sleep and proper deep sleep it's hard for

your body to put any of the medications into action really

5HTP is apparenty harmless, like a mood enhancer (like prozac but

quicker acting)

LDN - yes it's immune support (or jump starter) but that doesn't

mean that it can't help sleep. HOwever watch her appetite on LDN as

it can suppress.

In my very limited experience these three don't cut across each

other - they could work to encourage sleep. a footnote - Tom

refuses melatonin now - likes to be in control. So maybe a time

limited treatment anyway.

>

> Dear all,

>

> I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

>

> I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for my

> DD and sleeping through the night.

> My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking for

> milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

>

> He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same time,

> - melatonin 1 mg

> - 5HTP 50 mg

> - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

>

> This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

>

> It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

is

> a hormone, I am quite worried.

>

> 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given with

> other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at the

> same time with melatonin ?

>

> On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it is

> for immune system.

>

> Now I am confused..

>

> Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

>

> Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep is

> now worsen.

>

> Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

>

> Help please..

>

> thanks,

> Tetty

>

[Guest guest]

Any of 's supps I have tried always gave me migraine, they definitely did a good job on things I was trying to tackle, but I would rather look old and feel arthritic than have daily migraines [sigh]

Vicky

[Guest guest]

Tetty,

We've used the melatonin for several years. It was on of our fisrt

successful interventions to help with sleep. She was one of those

kids that was instantly awake even when we would just peek in to

check on her. With melatonin we could actually hear a few snores now

and then. Our daughter has taken both the regular and timed release

form. I, too, was concerned about the hormone affect but when

balanced against good sleep and the purported antioxidant effect of

the melatonin, the I opted to try it.

We've tried 5HTP a couple of times. She does well on tryptophan

which we have used periodically over the years but just goes balistic

on the 5HTP. She participated in the low dose naltrexone study and

has been on 4mg of the topical. We are planning to keep her on it for

awhile. Contrary to what some have experienced, she was constantly

hungry for the first several weeks on ldn. At first her weight went

up a few pounds, then tapered out over the course of the next several

weeks. She has only run a true 'fever'[low grade at 99[f]axillary

once in her life-during one of the first rounds of chelation].

During the 16 weeks of ldn, she's had 4 episodes of low fever. I'm

hopeful that her immune system may be modulating.

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > I have just returned from visiting a DAN doctor in US.

> > >

> > > I told him that one of my problem is getting an early sleep for

my

> > > DD and sleeping through the night.

> > > My DD sleeps at 10 pm and will wake up at around 2 am, asking

for

> > > milk then back to sleep again after 1 hour.

> > >

> > > He prescribed the following and all to be given at the same

time,

> > > - melatonin 1 mg

> > > - 5HTP 50 mg

> > > - LD naltrexone 1 mg (TD cream)

> > >

> > > This whole is a new stuff for me and then I came across some

> > > information in Sidney Baker's book that made me doutbful.

> > >

> > > It said that longer term effect on melatonin is not known. As it

> >is

> > > a hormone, I am quite worried.

> > >

> > > 5HTP is safer but I read the label that it shouldn't be given

with

> > > other sleeping aids. Does this mean that I should not give at

the

> > > same time with melatonin ?

> > >

> > > On top of that, I didn't find LDN as sleeping aids, instead it

is

> > > for immune system.

> > >

> > > Now I am confused..

> > >

> > > Has anyone had an experience in using those stuff ?

> > >

> > > Appreciate for your information or any advice, as my DD's sleep

is

> > > now worsen.

> > >

> > > Don't know if this is an effect of jet lag, it is the fifth day

> > > since we returned and so far she only sleep 5 hours at night!!

> > >

> > > Help please..

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > > Tetty

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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