Re: IAG Urine test - bit long

[Guest guest]

No idea what this means , but I am really interested in any explanation from Sunderland.

Jane

IAG Urine test - bit long

Hi Folks,Active follower of everything biomed having used Houston trio, Probiotics, Eye Q, vits/minerals and epsom salts with GREAT success for my previously ADHD son - 18 months on a totally different child (so long as avoid artificials/MSG/Dga etc).Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapoint before starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OK because we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was much better. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike. The caesin one is odd because was previously DF so never expected a spike - but now eats most dairy and we gave him loads in 24 hours before sample - albeit with enzymes - so if his membranes are still "leaky" why didn't this show? If the caesin didn't show due to the enzymes them why would it show IAG (which I believe they link indirectly to Gluten)as the enzymes should also deal with Gluten.Can't talk to Sunderland til Tuesday so thought I would see if anyone here had any views on what this IAG spike really represents? Is it possible to have an IAG spike but no problems?Any opinions much appreciated.PS: Presenting at my local Essex SENCO conference in July (at their request) for the second year running about "our story" of Bio-medical interventions - seems a lot of them are keen for others to try this and as far as I am concerned anything that raises awareness is positive - will pass on the TA website so wait for an influx of interest from Essex!

[Guest guest]

No idea what this means , but I am really interested in any explanation from Sunderland.

Jane

IAG Urine test - bit long

Hi Folks,Active follower of everything biomed having used Houston trio, Probiotics, Eye Q, vits/minerals and epsom salts with GREAT success for my previously ADHD son - 18 months on a totally different child (so long as avoid artificials/MSG/Dga etc).Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapoint before starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OK because we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was much better. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike. The caesin one is odd because was previously DF so never expected a spike - but now eats most dairy and we gave him loads in 24 hours before sample - albeit with enzymes - so if his membranes are still "leaky" why didn't this show? If the caesin didn't show due to the enzymes them why would it show IAG (which I believe they link indirectly to Gluten)as the enzymes should also deal with Gluten.Can't talk to Sunderland til Tuesday so thought I would see if anyone here had any views on what this IAG spike really represents? Is it possible to have an IAG spike but no problems?Any opinions much appreciated.PS: Presenting at my local Essex SENCO conference in July (at their request) for the second year running about "our story" of Bio-medical interventions - seems a lot of them are keen for others to try this and as far as I am concerned anything that raises awareness is positive - will pass on the TA website so wait for an influx of interest from Essex!

[Guest guest]

I understood that IAG can still be present even when you are off

gluten, although sometimes the level drops a bit on going gluten free.

Also Sunderland can only confirm the presence of casein if its above a

certain level. Louis' came back as no casein in the paper results, but

over the phone we were told there was a casein trace, it just wasn\t

large enough to recored (it was labelled as a " shoulder peak " on the

paper results). It may be that the enzymes are taking it below the

level at which it can be " officially " labelled.

BW

Chris

On 27 May 2006, at 20:51, Jane Hogan wrote:

> No idea what this means , but I am really interested in any

> explanation from Sunderland. 

>  

> Jane

>> IAG Urine test - bit long

>>

>> Hi Folks,

>>

>> Active follower of everything biomed having used Houston trio,

>> Probiotics, Eye Q, vits/minerals and epsom salts with GREAT success

>> for my previously ADHD son - 18 months on a totally different child

>> (so long as avoid artificials/MSG/Dga etc).

>>

>> Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapoint

>> before starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OK

>> because we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was much

>> better. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last

>> test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike. The caesin

>> one is odd because was previously DF so never expected a spike - but

>> now eats most dairy and we gave him loads in 24 hours before sample -

>> albeit with enzymes - so if his membranes are still " leaky " why

>> didn't this show? If the caesin didn't show due to the enzymes them

>> why would it show IAG (which I believe they link indirectly to Gluten)

>> as the enzymes should also deal with Gluten.

>>

>> Can't talk to Sunderland til Tuesday so thought I would see if anyone

>> here had any views on what this IAG spike really represents? Is it

>> possible to have an IAG spike but no problems?

>>

>> Any opinions much appreciated.

>>

>>

>>

>> PS: Presenting at my local Essex SENCO conference in July (at their

>> request) for the second year running about " our story " of Bio-medical

>> interventions - seems a lot of them are keen for others to try this

>> and as far as I am concerned anything that raises awareness is

>> positive - will pass on the TA website so wait for an influx of

>> interest from Essex!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> DISCLAIMER

>> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

>> advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

>> qualified practitioner.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

On 5/27/06, Webster <claire_webster@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,Active follower of everything biomed having used Houston trio,Probiotics, Eye Q, vits/minerals and epsom salts with GREAT successfor my previously ADHD son - 18 months on a totally different child

(so long as avoid artificials/MSG/Dga etc).Different, ?? What is that ,without any symtoms ??

Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapointbefore starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OKbecause we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was muchbetter. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last

test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike. The caesinone is odd because was previously DF so never expected a spike - butnow eats most dairy and we gave him loads in 24 hours before sample -

albeit with enzymes - so if his membranes are still " leaky " whydidn't this show?In Diabetes bloodsuger have to reach above 12 mmol in blood, before you see it in the urine. Something the same applies to peptides, the body tries to conserve protein / peptides, so there must be a load before you find it in the urine. - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is there and was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply gfcf diet or not , or partly ...?

It is known that anorectic patients probably have lots ov peptide problem, but it does not necessarliy show in a peptide assay...

If the caesin didn't show due to the enzymes themwhy would it show IAG (which I believe they link indirectly to Gluten)as the enzymes should also deal with Gluten.IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load, combined with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is linked to gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of unclear reason.

IAG is also seen in urinary samples with " sun eczema " , polymorphic sun dermatitis (?), and there is not necessary to have a any autism or psychic diagnosis....Geir Flatabø

[Guest guest]

On 5/27/06, Webster <claire_webster@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,Active follower of everything biomed having used Houston trio,Probiotics, Eye Q, vits/minerals and epsom salts with GREAT successfor my previously ADHD son - 18 months on a totally different child

(so long as avoid artificials/MSG/Dga etc).Different, ?? What is that ,without any symtoms ??

Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapointbefore starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OKbecause we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was muchbetter. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last

test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike. The caesinone is odd because was previously DF so never expected a spike - butnow eats most dairy and we gave him loads in 24 hours before sample -

albeit with enzymes - so if his membranes are still " leaky " whydidn't this show?In Diabetes bloodsuger have to reach above 12 mmol in blood, before you see it in the urine. Something the same applies to peptides, the body tries to conserve protein / peptides, so there must be a load before you find it in the urine. - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is there and was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply gfcf diet or not , or partly ...?

It is known that anorectic patients probably have lots ov peptide problem, but it does not necessarliy show in a peptide assay...

If the caesin didn't show due to the enzymes themwhy would it show IAG (which I believe they link indirectly to Gluten)as the enzymes should also deal with Gluten.IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load, combined with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is linked to gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of unclear reason.

IAG is also seen in urinary samples with " sun eczema " , polymorphic sun dermatitis (?), and there is not necessary to have a any autism or psychic diagnosis....Geir Flatabø

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> Different, ?? What is that ,

> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken "

(bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to

focus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

>

> >

> . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is

there and

> was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply

gfcf diet

> or not , or partly ...?

>

H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even though

breastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I think

his gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, although

with Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initial

response to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFP

rather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -

perhaps it was Candida or similar?

Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?

>

>

>

> IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

> so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,

combined

> with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is

linked to

> gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of

unclear

> reason.

Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found some

recent (2005) research at York University by that found

identical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussion

over methods etc.

Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they have

seen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

this.

>

> Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical

> > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified

> > practitioner.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> Different, ?? What is that ,

> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken "

(bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to

focus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

>

> >

> . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is

there and

> was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply

gfcf diet

> or not , or partly ...?

>

H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even though

breastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I think

his gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, although

with Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initial

response to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFP

rather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -

perhaps it was Candida or similar?

Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?

>

>

>

> IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

> so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,

combined

> with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is

linked to

> gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of

unclear

> reason.

Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found some

recent (2005) research at York University by that found

identical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussion

over methods etc.

Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they have

seen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

this.

>

> Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical

> > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified

> > practitioner.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Anorecticis patients who stop eating, as in Cancerbut here ment in Anorexia NervosaGeir FlatabøOn 5/27/06, Webster <

claire_webster@...> wrote:>> >> Different, ?? What is that ,> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken " (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able tofocus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!>> >> . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, isthere and> was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply

gfcf diet> or not , or partly ...?>H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even thoughbreastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I thinkhis gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, althoughwith Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initialresponse to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFPrather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -perhaps it was Candida or similar?Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?>>>> IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> bacterial tryptophan metabolite,> so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,combined> with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it islinked to> gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of

unclear> reason.Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found somerecent (2005) research at York University by that foundidentical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussionover methods etc.Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they haveseen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

this.>> Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed asmedical> > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from asuitably qualified> > practitioner.

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Anorecticis patients who stop eating, as in Cancerbut here ment in Anorexia NervosaGeir FlatabøOn 5/27/06, Webster <

claire_webster@...> wrote:>> >> Different, ?? What is that ,> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken " (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able tofocus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!>> >> . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, isthere and> was there no casein (no change) in the urine, and did you apply

gfcf diet> or not , or partly ...?>H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even thoughbreastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I thinkhis gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, althoughwith Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initialresponse to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFPrather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -perhaps it was Candida or similar?Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?>>>> IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> bacterial tryptophan metabolite,> so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,combined> with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it islinked to> gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet, of

unclear> reason.Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found somerecent (2005) research at York University by that foundidentical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussionover methods etc.Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they haveseen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

this.>> Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed asmedical> > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from asuitably qualified> > practitioner.

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

There is a slight difference in the way IAG can be measured- which may

alter its reliability as an indicator. As I understand it, Sunderland

look at IAG in a qualitative way, and compare the amount of IAG present

with other peaks, they're not interested in the absolute amount- only

how big oit is relative to other peaks.. Other research has measured

the actual amount of IAG, and that is not significantly different

between groups (although i have no idea how much it might vary

according to urine concentration etc). I think I have that the right

way round! I suspect that may have done it the non-Sunderland

way.

However when I spoke to Shattock about Louis results, he did say

that 50% of siblings have IAG. Archie is severely autistic, Louis

(since switching to goats milk 3 weeks ago after his Sunderland

results) is- at 16 months- suddenly passing the CHAT test, so he may

just have the IAG on account of being a sibling.

On 27 May 2006, at 22:19, Webster wrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > Different, ?? What is that ,

> > without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

> hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken "

> (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to

> focus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

> socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

> >

> > >

> > . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is

> there and

> > was there no casein (no change) in the urine,  and did you apply

> gfcf diet

> > or not , or partly ...?

> >

> H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even though

> breastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I think

> his gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

> quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, although

> with Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initial

> response to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFP

> rather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

> achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -

> perhaps it was Candida or similar?

>

> Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?

> >

> >

> > 

> > IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> > bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

> > so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,

> combined

> > with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is

> linked to

> > gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet,  of

> unclear

> > reason.

>

> Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found some

> recent (2005) research at York University by that found

> identical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

> not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussion

> over methods etc.

>

> Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they have

> seen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

> this.

>

> >

> > Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> medical

> > > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> suitably qualified

> > > practitioner.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi

There is a slight difference in the way IAG can be measured- which may

alter its reliability as an indicator. As I understand it, Sunderland

look at IAG in a qualitative way, and compare the amount of IAG present

with other peaks, they're not interested in the absolute amount- only

how big oit is relative to other peaks.. Other research has measured

the actual amount of IAG, and that is not significantly different

between groups (although i have no idea how much it might vary

according to urine concentration etc). I think I have that the right

way round! I suspect that may have done it the non-Sunderland

way.

However when I spoke to Shattock about Louis results, he did say

that 50% of siblings have IAG. Archie is severely autistic, Louis

(since switching to goats milk 3 weeks ago after his Sunderland

results) is- at 16 months- suddenly passing the CHAT test, so he may

just have the IAG on account of being a sibling.

On 27 May 2006, at 22:19, Webster wrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > Different, ?? What is that ,

> > without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no

> hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no " chicken "

> (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to

> focus and process in his brain, no " drunken " behaviour, more aware

> socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

> >

> > >

> > . - It is also difficult to understand what you mean, is

> there and

> > was there no casein (no change) in the urine,  and did you apply

> gfcf diet

> > or not , or partly ...?

> >

> H was DF for years due to lactose Intolerance from birth (even though

> breastfed) but only identified at 5 months old, by which time I think

> his gut had been damaged. So No dairy prior to first test, but had

> quite a bit of dairy in the 24 hours prior to second test, although

> with Houston enzymes. Had never gone GF because after seeing initial

> response to the Houston NO-Fenol enzyme decided to try using AFP

> rather than GF - so has never stopped eating Gluten - yet have still

> achieved good results so wonder if Gluten was the problem at all -

> perhaps it was Candida or similar?

>

> Excuse my ignorance but what does " anorectic " mean?

> >

> >

> > 

> > IAG = indolyl Acryloyl Glycin, is the livers glycination product of

> > bacterial tryptophan metabolite,

> > so it shows up in a combination of high (tryptophan ) protein load,

> combined

> > with maldigestion / and uptake of tryptophan. And yes , it is

> linked to

> > gluten by usually diminishing when using a gluten free diet,  of

> unclear

> > reason.

>

> Have spent all evening saerching web for answers and have found some

> recent (2005) research at York University by that found

> identical IAG in both ASD and normal children suggesting that it was

> not a good indicator - although seems there has been some discussion

> over methods etc.

>

> Also found a message from Devin Houston suggesting that they have

> seen mixed results from second tests - trying to get more info on

> this.

>

> >

> > Thanks for all your support and information - much appreciated.

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> medical

> > > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> suitably qualified

> > > practitioner.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 20:52:07 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapoint before starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OK because we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was much better. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike.

>>>your body can manufacture its own stuff that can register on this test. Go by the child not the test on this one, will tell you that if you can ever get through LOL

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 20:52:07 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Decided to do a second Urine test at Sunderland to get a datapoint before starting to reduce enzymes and was expecting it to be OK because we thought from behaviour and BM's that his gut was much better. Bit shocked when it came back today almost identical to last test 18 mths ago - high IAG at 19.38 but no Caesin spike.

>>>your body can manufacture its own stuff that can register on this test. Go by the child not the test on this one, will tell you that if you can ever get through LOL

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 22:21:43 GMT Daylight Time, claire_webster@... writes:

Different, ?? What is that ,> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no "chicken" (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to focus and process in his brain, no "drunken" behaviour, more aware socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

>>>YEAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don;t worry, be happy!

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 22:21:43 GMT Daylight Time, claire_webster@... writes:

Different, ?? What is that ,> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no "chicken" (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to focus and process in his brain, no "drunken" behaviour, more aware socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

>>>YEAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don;t worry, be happy!

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 22:21:43 GMT Daylight Time, claire_webster@... writes:

Different, ?? What is that ,> without any symtoms ?? Absolutely! No foggy brain, no hyperactivity, better concentration and attention, no "chicken" (bumpy) skin, no red ears (unless accidental artificials) able to focus and process in his brain, no "drunken" behaviour, more aware socially and safety, I could go on and on but I really mean CURED!

>>>YEAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don;t worry, be happy!

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/05/2006 20:06:21 GMT Daylight Time, claire_webster@... writes:

PS: Presenting at my local Essex SENCO conference in July (at their request) for the second year running about "our story" of Bio-medical interventions - seems a lot of them are keen for others to try this and as far as I am concerned anything that raises awareness is positive - will pass on the TA website so wait for an influx of interest from Essex!

>>>WOW and DOUBLE WOW - go girl!!

Mandi x

PS thanks for the books