Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hi . I thought the same thing and tryed it just as an experiment to see if I noticed more benefit when not doing it this way and I didn't. It seems the same either way. But I am really quick about it. I mix for about two seconds and drink immediately. And I do notice benefit to my gums this way, that I do not notice when I do it the other way. I swish it in my mouth. No offense taken. Smile. Donna -----Original Message----- If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its ozone IN THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money if you mix it with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction happens pretty quickly, so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest about something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. (no offense Donna or Karma) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 , I was pretty confused trying to figure out how to take the homozone. I found the instructions pretty lame. I was trying to follow the directions of people on the list who were having success. Are you saying that I should be taking it in water first, then drinking the citrus juice? If so, I will try it that way. I really didn't mean to be complaining. I thought it worked well the way I was doing it, just tasted awful. If I have been taking it incorrectly, then I am really excited to see how it works taking it correctly. :-) I'm off to try it now! No offense taken, just appreciate the clarification. :-) ~Karma http://loaves-n-fishes.com http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com Re: Oxygen > > > The Homozone, which I use also, > > tastes horrible to me. It is chalky and leaves a coating on my > > tongue. > > Karma, > I quickly stir the Homozon into 2 or 3 oz of orange juice > and chug it. > It goes down like cream, with no aftertaste. It's the only > way I can > drink oj. Without the Homozon, oj lights a fire in my > stomach. With > the homozon, no burning, and it does its job nicely. > > Deanna OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hi Karma, Yes, the recommended method for taking Homozon is mixing it in water, drinking it, then chasing it with something acidic (fresh lemon juice in water, raw apple-cider vinegar, grapefruit juice, etc). According to Dr GAF, many people do not have enough stomach acid, hence the acidic chaser. If you have lots of stomach acid, then you don't need the chaser (but it sure helps get rid of the awful (yes I agree with ya'll on that one!) taste). If you do it like Donna (mix it and drink it within a few seconds), I don't imagine you're losing all that much benefit, but its real easy to get sidetracked, and if your mixing it with water, you probably don't have to worry much about it. The most important thing is that you take it, one way or another - but I prefer to get as much bang for my buck as I can get. > RE: Homozon - A Caveat... > > , > I was pretty confused trying to figure out how to take the > homozone. I > found the instructions pretty lame. I was trying to follow > the directions > of people on the list who were having success. > > Are you saying that I should be taking it in water first, > then drinking the > citrus juice? If so, I will try it that way. I really > didn't mean to be > complaining. I thought it worked well the way I was doing > it, just tasted > awful. If I have been taking it incorrectly, then I am > really excited to > see how it works taking it correctly. :-) > > I'm off to try it now! > > No offense taken, just appreciate the clarification. :-) > > ~Karma > http://loaves-n-fishes.com > http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with what you are writing below. After mixing homozon with an acidic liquid there seems to be plenty of time before any majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You can test this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add homozon. Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen. Start your timer. When mixing and drinking it only needs to take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside the body. During those 5 seconds very little is lost. Marcus wrote: > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its ozone IN > THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money if you mix it > with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction happens pretty quickly, > so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. > > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest about > something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. > > (no offense Donna or Karma) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hi Deanna, No worries - I didn't intend for my comments to be quite so harsh... Homozon does have quite a bit of magnesium in it, which can account for the 'loose bowel' effect, although the ozone that is released does indeed liquify old, hard/impacted fecal matter from the walls of the intestines and colon. I already sent another message qualifying my earlier comments regarding loss of efficacy with respect to the ozone in the homozon, so... As for your problem, with burning sensation when drinking anything acidic... Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or are you talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I can't offer much in the way of suggestions, but it sounds to me like your valve between your stomach and small intestine (Saul, can you help with the proper terminology here - is it the 'pyloric' valve?) may be stuck closed (or open?). Or your stomach lining may be incomplete - I think I remember reading somewhere that this can be caused by a virus or bacteria? Anyway, I wish you well with figuring out whats going on there, and not to belabor the obvious, but this should be your #1 priority, as it could be causing you many other seemingly unrelated problems as well. > Re: Homozon - A Caveat... > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:30 -0400 " Marcus " > <charlesm@...> writes: > > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly > > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its > > ozone IN THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting > your money if > you mix it with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The > reaction happens > pretty quickly, so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. > > > > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to > > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest > > about something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. > > > > (no offense Donna or Karma) > > > > > > , > I believe you meant your comments for me, not Donna. But in any > case I apologize if I have inapproptiately advised anyone in the > misuse of Homozon. I may be unique, but am unable to injest any > acidic juice straight into my stomach. The fire that results is quite > painful. The product works well for me, injested in the manner > I previously described. ( I do use pure water to follow.) > However, I am > > very new to the things addressed by Oxyplus, and ignorant to say the > least. So, I assume the posture of a student and ask you, as one > more knowledgeable in these matters, to please explain what > benefits might be lost by taking Homozon in this manner, if indeed > I seem to be getting good results currently. By good results I mean > the bowel moves fluidly. What benefits might I be losing? And if > it is indeed a total waste of money doing it my current way, can you > suggest another manner that would work for me? > > Also, while on the subject of " fire in the hole " , would anyone care to > comment on why I also experienced the same fire immediately upon > taking 3 drops food grade h202 in a glass of water? It > stayed with me > 2 days until I put it out with 3 Tums Ultra. I experience > the fire in > both esophagus as it goes down and the stomach, once it hits bottom. > The same is true for injesting acidic juice alone. > > Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear , Yes, pyloric valve between stomach and duodenum, is right. I agree that this is a problem that should not be taken lightly. Proper investigation of the cause should be the top priority. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Marcus " <charlesm@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:37:21 -0400 Hi Deanna, No worries - I didn't intend for my comments to be quite so harsh... Homozon does have quite a bit of magnesium in it, which can account for the 'loose bowel' effect, although the ozone that is released does indeed liquify old, hard/impacted fecal matter from the walls of the intestines and colon. I already sent another message qualifying my earlier comments regarding loss of efficacy with respect to the ozone in the homozon, so... As for your problem, with burning sensation when drinking anything acidic... Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or are you talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I can't offer much in the way of suggestions, but it sounds to me like your valve between your stomach and small intestine (Saul, can you help with the proper terminology here - is it the 'pyloric' valve?) may be stuck closed (or open?). Or your stomach lining may be incomplete - I think I remember reading somewhere that this can be caused by a virus or bacteria? Anyway, I wish you well with figuring out whats going on there, and not to belabor the obvious, but this should be your #1 priority, as it could be causing you many other seemingly unrelated problems as well. > Re: Homozon - A Caveat... > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:30 -0400 " Marcus " > <charlesm@...> writes: > > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly > > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its > > ozone IN THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting > your money if > you mix it with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The > reaction happens > pretty quickly, so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. > > > > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to > > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest > > about something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. > > > > (no offense Donna or Karma) > > > > > > , > I believe you meant your comments for me, not Donna. But in any > case I apologize if I have inapproptiately advised anyone in the > misuse of Homozon. I may be unique, but am unable to injest any > acidic juice straight into my stomach. The fire that results is quite > painful. The product works well for me, injested in the manner > I previously described. ( I do use pure water to follow.) > However, I am > > very new to the things addressed by Oxyplus, and ignorant to say the > least. So, I assume the posture of a student and ask you, as one > more knowledgeable in these matters, to please explain what > benefits might be lost by taking Homozon in this manner, if indeed > I seem to be getting good results currently. By good results I mean > the bowel moves fluidly. What benefits might I be losing? And if > it is indeed a total waste of money doing it my current way, can you > suggest another manner that would work for me? > > Also, while on the subject of " fire in the hole " , would anyone care to > comment on why I also experienced the same fire immediately upon > taking 3 drops food grade h202 in a glass of water? It > stayed with me > 2 days until I put it out with 3 Tums Ultra. I experience > the fire in > both esophagus as it goes down and the stomach, once it hits bottom. > The same is true for injesting acidic juice alone. > > Deanna _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hey, I've been wrong before...thanks, Bjorn. What I stated was my understanding. If that is wrong, I would actually be happy to know that - so I could start mixing it with something other than water myself and eliminate the bad taste issue. Can anyone else comment on this with any authority? Saul? > Re: Homozon - A Caveat... > > I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with > what you are writing below. After mixing homozon with an > acidic liquid there seems to be plenty of time before any > majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You can test > this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add > homozon. Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen. > Start your timer. When mixing and drinking it only needs to > take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside the body. > During those 5 seconds very little is lost. > > Marcus wrote: > > > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly > > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will > release its ozone IN > > THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money > if you mix it > > with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction > happens pretty quickly, > > so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. > > > > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to > > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the > loudest about > > something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. > > > > (no offense Donna or Karma) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hey, I've been wrong before...thanks, Bjorn. What I stated was my understanding. If that is wrong, I would actually be happy to know that - so I could start mixing it with something other than water myself and eliminate the bad taste issue. Can anyone else comment on this with any authority? Saul? > Re: Homozon - A Caveat... > > I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with > what you are writing below. After mixing homozon with an > acidic liquid there seems to be plenty of time before any > majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You can test > this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add > homozon. Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen. > Start your timer. When mixing and drinking it only needs to > take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside the body. > During those 5 seconds very little is lost. > > Marcus wrote: > > > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly > > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will > release its ozone IN > > THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money > if you mix it > > with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction > happens pretty quickly, > > so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it. > > > > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to > > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the > loudest about > > something (that DOES work) not working as advertised. > > > > (no offense Donna or Karma) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 > Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or > are you > talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort with the Homozon. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 > Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or > are you > talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort with the Homozon. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear Deanna, Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver. If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced. No bile = no peristalsis = constipation. A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and flax oil will keep everything well lubricated. Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve. I think we are getting somewhere. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700 > Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or > are you > talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort with the Homozon. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear Deanna, Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver. If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced. No bile = no peristalsis = constipation. A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and flax oil will keep everything well lubricated. Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve. I think we are getting somewhere. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700 > Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or > are you > talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort with the Homozon. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Dear Deanna, Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver. If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced. No bile = no peristalsis = constipation. A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and flax oil will keep everything well lubricated. Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve. I think we are getting somewhere. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700 > Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or > are you > talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort with the Homozon. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Dr Saul, Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of CA, 2 hours from Redding. There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke 3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at " a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully, before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997. Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day, and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders. I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6 colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease using the Emerita or colostrum. Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears, sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant. Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs. And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out. It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated, for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min. No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha. Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile. Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone. So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned? Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time coming. Many thanks, Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Dr Saul, Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of CA, 2 hours from Redding. There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke 3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at " a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully, before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997. Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day, and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders. I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6 colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease using the Emerita or colostrum. Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears, sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant. Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs. And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out. It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated, for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min. No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha. Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile. Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone. So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned? Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time coming. Many thanks, Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Dear Deanna, You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences, assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you describe are extreme, which means that your condition has been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!). You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to diagnose and treat you. Here is the liver cleanse. Follow the instructions closely: LIVER CLEANSE Ingredients : 4 tablespoons of oral Epsom salts 1 tablespoon Vitamin C powder 1/2 cup virgin olive oil 1 large fresh pink grapefruit 2 glass jars with lids 16 oz. apple juice + beet juice Procedure : First day: 1. 9:00 am: Eat a breakfast of cooked porridge, no milk or butter; 8 ounces apple juice + beet juice; baked potato, no butter 2. 2:00 pm : Mix 4 tablespoons of oral Epsom salts and 1 Tbsp of Vitamin C powder in 3 cups of cold water in one jar, and refrigerate 3. 3:00 pm : Have a warm water enema 4. 6:00 pm : Drink 3/4 cup of the cold Epsom salts 5. 8:00 pm : Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts 6. 9:45 pm : Pour 1/2 cup olive oil into the second jar; squeeze out 1/2 cup grapefruit juice and add to the olive oil. Close the jar lid and shake hard until watery. 7. 10:00 pm : Drink the potion. Lie down immediately. Lie still on your back and go to sleep. Second day: 1. 9:00 am: Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts. Go back to bed. 2. 11:00 am : Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts. Go back to bed. 3. 1:00 pm : Get up and drink 8 ounces apple + beet juice. 4. 2:00 pm : Eat a banana or an orange 5. 6:00 pm : Eat a light supper of salad and fruit; no meat Many stones will be seen in the toilet upon the first bowel movement after a liver cleanse. It may take several cleanses over a period of months to clear all of them out from the liver. Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, retained for ten minutes. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ---------------------------------------------------------- From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:51:31 -0700 Dr Saul, Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of CA, 2 hours from Redding. There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke 3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at " a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully, before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997. Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day, and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders. I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6 colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease using the Emerita or colostrum. Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears, sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant. Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs. And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out. It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated, for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min. No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha. Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile. Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone. So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned? Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time coming. Many thanks, Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...> writes: > Dear Deanna, > > You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences, > assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you > describe are extreme, which means that your condition has > been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!). > > You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional > support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over > Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing > is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture > meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to > diagnose and treat you. > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, >retained for ten minutes. Dr Saul, Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any suggestions? Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman " > <spressman@...> writes: > > Dear Deanna, > > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee > >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use > >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, > >retained for ten minutes. > > Dr Saul, > Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any > suggestions? > Deanna Dr Saul, It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman " > <spressman@...> writes: > > Dear Deanna, > > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee > >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use > >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, > >retained for ten minutes. > > Dr Saul, > Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any > suggestions? > Deanna Dr Saul, It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Dear Deanna, If the colon is not clean when starting in to the liver cleanse, there may be absorption of toxins from the colon. If you can't do the enema, maybe Homozon might work for you. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH -------------------------------------------------------------- From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...> writes: > Dear Deanna, > > You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences, > assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you > describe are extreme, which means that your condition has > been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!). > > You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional > support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over > Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing > is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture > meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to > diagnose and treat you. > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, >retained for ten minutes. Dr Saul, Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any suggestions? Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Dear Deanna, The coffee enemas following are optional. Continue the Homozon and try slowly increasing the amount and see what happens. I think a very important key to your problems is your plugged liver. Taking the various drugs that you find necessary to survive day to day makes that problem worse, unfortunately. If you can get your liver cleaned out, then everyhting will work better and your level of pain should drop enough for you to not need the painklillers and others that hinder your liver function. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: djbellministry@... Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:17:11 -0700 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman " > <spressman@...> writes: > > Dear Deanna, > > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee > >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use > >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time, > >retained for ten minutes. > > Dr Saul, > Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any > suggestions? > Deanna Dr Saul, It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad. Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 According to the Gerson website, the caffeine in coffee enemas has a positive, beneficial effect, way different from that when you ingest coffee by mouth. Here is what it says: QUESTION: How does coffee taken orally differ from taking it as a rectal enema? ANSWER: Coffee taken by mouth is a vasoconstrictor causing capillary and bile duct constriction. Drinking coffee is damaging to the stomach due to the aromatic fatty acids (which are not absorbed through the colon since the aromatics are boiled off in the " coffee enema recipe " preparation). Drinking coffee is an artificial stimulant and appetite suppressant as well as creating a more acidic environment in the body which is counter productive to healing. When taking the coffee enema, the caffeine and other components act to relax and open the bile ducts releasing toxins (as much as seven times the normal rate) from the liver. The glutathione-S transferase system is activated as well to enhance the functions of the immune system. Simply put, one is health giving and on is not. Choose the " coffee break " that is cleansing and supportive. Thousands of people have found this to be true. The coffee enema is also an excellent method for pain relief that is caused by toxic build up in the liver and colon. Remember, Dr. Gerson first developed his Therapy to cure his migraine headaches. However, a word of caution: any more than one coffee enema a day should be taken with sufficient juices and supplements to maintain a healthy balance in the body. Dr. Gerson spent many years developing a safe and effective therapy that requires some attention and study by the users. Still have questions? Check out the Common Questions section of the Gerson Institute website: http://www.gerson.org/questions/index.htm Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:17:11 -0700 > > > Dr Saul, > It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the > coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad. > Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 I used pregnenolone for several years and did well and then I started to get heart palps. I know a few other people who also have had heart palps on it. Do you have any idea why? Thanks Donna -----Original Message----- Deanna, Also, have you tried Pregnenolone - 50 mg? One a morning would help your hormones, and you would feel better.. jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2001 Report Share Posted July 14, 2001 Probably you didn't need it anymore. Taking any kind of hormone can cause a build up, and too much of a good thing is as bad as too little. jp Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat... I used pregnenolone for several years and did well and then I started to get heart palps. I know a few other people who also have had heart palps on it. Do you have any idea why? Thanks Donna -----Original Message----- Deanna, Also, have you tried Pregnenolone - 50 mg? One a morning would help your hormones, and you would feel better.. jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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