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Hi . I thought the same thing and tryed it just as an experiment to see

if I noticed more benefit when not doing it this way and I didn't. It seems the

same either way. But I am really quick about it. I mix for about two seconds

and drink immediately. And I do notice benefit to my gums this way, that I do

not notice when I do it the other way. I swish it in my mouth.

No offense taken. Smile.

Donna

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If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its ozone IN

THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money if you mix it

with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction happens pretty quickly,

so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest about

something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

(no offense Donna or Karma)

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,

I was pretty confused trying to figure out how to take the homozone. I

found the instructions pretty lame. I was trying to follow the directions

of people on the list who were having success.

Are you saying that I should be taking it in water first, then drinking the

citrus juice? If so, I will try it that way. I really didn't mean to be

complaining. I thought it worked well the way I was doing it, just tasted

awful. If I have been taking it incorrectly, then I am really excited to

see how it works taking it correctly. :-)

I'm off to try it now!

No offense taken, just appreciate the clarification. :-)

~Karma

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>

>

> The Homozone, which I use also,

> > tastes horrible to me. It is chalky and leaves a coating on my

> > tongue.

>

> Karma,

> I quickly stir the Homozon into 2 or 3 oz of orange juice

> and chug it.

> It goes down like cream, with no aftertaste. It's the only

> way I can

> drink oj. Without the Homozon, oj lights a fire in my

> stomach. With

> the homozon, no burning, and it does its job nicely.

>

> Deanna

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Hi Karma,

Yes, the recommended method for taking Homozon is mixing it in water,

drinking it, then chasing it with something acidic (fresh lemon juice in

water, raw apple-cider vinegar, grapefruit juice, etc).

According to Dr GAF, many people do not have enough stomach acid, hence the

acidic chaser. If you have lots of stomach acid, then you don't need the

chaser (but it sure helps get rid of the awful (yes I agree with ya'll on

that one!) taste).

If you do it like Donna (mix it and drink it within a few seconds), I don't

imagine you're losing all that much benefit, but its real easy to get

sidetracked, and if your mixing it with water, you probably don't have to

worry much about it.

The most important thing is that you take it, one way or another - but I

prefer to get as much bang for my buck as I can get.

:)

> RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

>

> ,

> I was pretty confused trying to figure out how to take the

> homozone. I

> found the instructions pretty lame. I was trying to follow

> the directions

> of people on the list who were having success.

>

> Are you saying that I should be taking it in water first,

> then drinking the

> citrus juice? If so, I will try it that way. I really

> didn't mean to be

> complaining. I thought it worked well the way I was doing

> it, just tasted

> awful. If I have been taking it incorrectly, then I am

> really excited to

> see how it works taking it correctly. :-)

>

> I'm off to try it now!

>

> No offense taken, just appreciate the clarification. :-)

>

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

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I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with what you are

writing below. After mixing homozon with an acidic liquid there seems to be

plenty of time before any majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You

can test this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add homozon.

Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen. Start your timer. When mixing

and drinking it only needs to take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside

the body. During those 5 seconds very little is lost.

Marcus wrote:

> If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

> recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its ozone IN

> THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money if you mix it

> with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction happens pretty quickly,

> so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

>

> It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

> deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest about

> something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

>

> (no offense Donna or Karma)

>

>

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Hi Deanna,

No worries - I didn't intend for my comments to be quite so harsh...

Homozon does have quite a bit of magnesium in it, which can account for the

'loose bowel' effect, although the ozone that is released does indeed

liquify old, hard/impacted fecal matter from the walls of the intestines and

colon.

I already sent another message qualifying my earlier comments regarding loss

of efficacy with respect to the ozone in the homozon, so...

As for your problem, with burning sensation when drinking anything acidic...

Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or are you

talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I can't offer much in the way of

suggestions, but it sounds to me like your valve between your stomach and

small intestine (Saul, can you help with the proper terminology here - is it

the 'pyloric' valve?) may be stuck closed (or open?). Or your stomach

lining may be incomplete - I think I remember reading somewhere that this

can be caused by a virus or bacteria?

Anyway, I wish you well with figuring out whats going on there, and not to

belabor the obvious, but this should be your #1 priority, as it could be

causing you many other seemingly unrelated problems as well.

> Re: Homozon - A Caveat...

>

> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:30 -0400 " Marcus "

> <charlesm@...> writes:

> > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

> > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its

> > ozone IN THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting

> your money if

> you mix it with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The

> reaction happens

> pretty quickly, so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

> >

> > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

> > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest

> > about something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

> >

> > (no offense Donna or Karma)

> >

> >

>

> ,

> I believe you meant your comments for me, not Donna. But in any

> case I apologize if I have inapproptiately advised anyone in the

> misuse of Homozon. I may be unique, but am unable to injest any

> acidic juice straight into my stomach. The fire that results is quite

> painful. The product works well for me, injested in the manner

> I previously described. ( I do use pure water to follow.)

> However, I am

>

> very new to the things addressed by Oxyplus, and ignorant to say the

> least. So, I assume the posture of a student and ask you, as one

> more knowledgeable in these matters, to please explain what

> benefits might be lost by taking Homozon in this manner, if indeed

> I seem to be getting good results currently. By good results I mean

> the bowel moves fluidly. What benefits might I be losing? And if

> it is indeed a total waste of money doing it my current way, can you

> suggest another manner that would work for me?

>

> Also, while on the subject of " fire in the hole " , would anyone care to

> comment on why I also experienced the same fire immediately upon

> taking 3 drops food grade h202 in a glass of water? It

> stayed with me

> 2 days until I put it out with 3 Tums Ultra. I experience

> the fire in

> both esophagus as it goes down and the stomach, once it hits bottom.

> The same is true for injesting acidic juice alone.

>

> Deanna

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Dear ,

Yes, pyloric valve between stomach and duodenum, is right.

I agree that this is a problem that should not be taken lightly.

Proper investigation of the cause should be the top priority.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Subject: RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:37:21 -0400

Hi Deanna,

No worries - I didn't intend for my comments to be quite so harsh...

Homozon does have quite a bit of magnesium in it, which can account for the

'loose bowel' effect, although the ozone that is released does indeed

liquify old, hard/impacted fecal matter from the walls of the intestines and

colon.

I already sent another message qualifying my earlier comments regarding loss

of efficacy with respect to the ozone in the homozon, so...

As for your problem, with burning sensation when drinking anything acidic...

Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or are you

talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well? I can't offer much in the way of

suggestions, but it sounds to me like your valve between your stomach and

small intestine (Saul, can you help with the proper terminology here - is it

the 'pyloric' valve?) may be stuck closed (or open?). Or your stomach

lining may be incomplete - I think I remember reading somewhere that this

can be caused by a virus or bacteria?

Anyway, I wish you well with figuring out whats going on there, and not to

belabor the obvious, but this should be your #1 priority, as it could be

causing you many other seemingly unrelated problems as well.

> Re: Homozon - A Caveat...

>

> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:30 -0400 " Marcus "

> <charlesm@...> writes:

> > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

> > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will release its

> > ozone IN THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting

> your money if

> you mix it with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The

> reaction happens

> pretty quickly, so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

> >

> > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

> > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the loudest

> > about something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

> >

> > (no offense Donna or Karma)

> >

> >

>

> ,

> I believe you meant your comments for me, not Donna. But in any

> case I apologize if I have inapproptiately advised anyone in the

> misuse of Homozon. I may be unique, but am unable to injest any

> acidic juice straight into my stomach. The fire that results is quite

> painful. The product works well for me, injested in the manner

> I previously described. ( I do use pure water to follow.)

> However, I am

>

> very new to the things addressed by Oxyplus, and ignorant to say the

> least. So, I assume the posture of a student and ask you, as one

> more knowledgeable in these matters, to please explain what

> benefits might be lost by taking Homozon in this manner, if indeed

> I seem to be getting good results currently. By good results I mean

> the bowel moves fluidly. What benefits might I be losing? And if

> it is indeed a total waste of money doing it my current way, can you

> suggest another manner that would work for me?

>

> Also, while on the subject of " fire in the hole " , would anyone care to

> comment on why I also experienced the same fire immediately upon

> taking 3 drops food grade h202 in a glass of water? It

> stayed with me

> 2 days until I put it out with 3 Tums Ultra. I experience

> the fire in

> both esophagus as it goes down and the stomach, once it hits bottom.

> The same is true for injesting acidic juice alone.

>

> Deanna

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Hey, I've been wrong before...thanks, Bjorn.

What I stated was my understanding. If that is wrong, I would actually be

happy to know that - so I could start mixing it with something other than

water myself and eliminate the bad taste issue.

Can anyone else comment on this with any authority? Saul?

> Re: Homozon - A Caveat...

>

> I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with

> what you are writing below. After mixing homozon with an

> acidic liquid there seems to be plenty of time before any

> majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You can test

> this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add

> homozon. Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen.

> Start your timer. When mixing and drinking it only needs to

> take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside the body.

> During those 5 seconds very little is lost.

>

> Marcus wrote:

>

> > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

> > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will

> release its ozone IN

> > THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money

> if you mix it

> > with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction

> happens pretty quickly,

> > so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

> >

> > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

> > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the

> loudest about

> > something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

> >

> > (no offense Donna or Karma)

> >

> >

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Hey, I've been wrong before...thanks, Bjorn.

What I stated was my understanding. If that is wrong, I would actually be

happy to know that - so I could start mixing it with something other than

water myself and eliminate the bad taste issue.

Can anyone else comment on this with any authority? Saul?

> Re: Homozon - A Caveat...

>

> I have experimented with this and would like to disagree with

> what you are writing below. After mixing homozon with an

> acidic liquid there seems to be plenty of time before any

> majoir release of any kind of gas takes place. (You can test

> this by pouring water + some vinegar in a baloon and then add

> homozon. Tie the balloon and wait for something to happen.

> Start your timer. When mixing and drinking it only needs to

> take up to 5 seconds until the mixture is inside the body.

> During those 5 seconds very little is lost.

>

> Marcus wrote:

>

> > If you mix the homozon with anything acidic in a glass (it is highly

> > recommended to use only pure water), the homozon will

> release its ozone IN

> > THE GLASS, not in your body, so you are wasting your money

> if you mix it

> > with lemon or orange juice in a glass. The reaction

> happens pretty quickly,

> > so even if you hurry, you waste a lot/most of it.

> >

> > It is people doing things like this (taking it upon themselves to

> > deliberatly ignore instructions) who usually scream the

> loudest about

> > something (that DOES work) not working as advertised.

> >

> > (no offense Donna or Karma)

> >

> >

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> Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or

> are you

> talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well?

I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort

with

the Homozon.

Deanna

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> Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or

> are you

> talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well?

I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort

with

the Homozon.

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver.

If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced.

No bile = no peristalsis = constipation.

A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and

flax oil will keep everything well lubricated.

Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve.

I think we are getting somewhere.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700

> Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or

> are you

> talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well?

I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort

with

the Homozon.

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver.

If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced.

No bile = no peristalsis = constipation.

A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and

flax oil will keep everything well lubricated.

Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve.

I think we are getting somewhere.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700

> Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or

> are you

> talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well?

I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort

with

the Homozon.

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

Peristalsis is caused by bile produced from the liver.

If your liver is plugged up, bile is greatly reduced.

No bile = no peristalsis = constipation.

A liver cleanse will get your bile moving again and

flax oil will keep everything well lubricated.

Constipation wreaks havoc with the ileo/coecal valve.

I think we are getting somewhere.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:22 -0700

> Is this 'fire in the hole' sensation just in your stomach/throat, or

> are you

> talking about 'burning diarrhea' as well?

I have chronic constipation. All my life. I experience no discomfort

with

the Homozon.

Deanna

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Dr Saul,

Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the

liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the

directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate

someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of

CA, 2 hours from Redding.

There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would

care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium

properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these

last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke

3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at

" a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully,

before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997.

Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am

unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking

it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I

call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside

me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the

amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself

tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day,

and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have

tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for

both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this

point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling

over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders.

I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream

by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also

helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me

some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many

years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6

colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease

using the Emerita or colostrum.

Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing

hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and

equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears,

sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to

help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running

around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience

mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking

problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant.

Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed

in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am

hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do

is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often

experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of

collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium

dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already

discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was

because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs.

And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out.

It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak

voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as

I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms

since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into

the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle

weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to

faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am

assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional

pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold

causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my

lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated,

for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become

so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me

slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in

feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min.

No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and

noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff

and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face

is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha.

Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had

a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower

back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile.

Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and

subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone.

So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many

other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned?

Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is

a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time

coming.

Many thanks,

Deanna

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Dr Saul,

Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the

liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the

directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate

someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of

CA, 2 hours from Redding.

There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would

care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium

properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these

last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke

3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at

" a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully,

before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997.

Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am

unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking

it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I

call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside

me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the

amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself

tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day,

and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have

tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for

both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this

point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling

over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders.

I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream

by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also

helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me

some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many

years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6

colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease

using the Emerita or colostrum.

Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing

hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and

equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears,

sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to

help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running

around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience

mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking

problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant.

Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed

in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am

hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do

is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often

experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of

collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium

dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already

discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was

because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs.

And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out.

It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak

voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as

I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms

since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into

the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle

weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to

faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am

assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional

pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold

causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my

lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated,

for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become

so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me

slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in

feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min.

No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and

noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff

and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face

is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha.

Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had

a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower

back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile.

Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and

subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone.

So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many

other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned?

Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is

a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time

coming.

Many thanks,

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences,

assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you

describe are extreme, which means that your condition has

been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!).

You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional

support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over

Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing

is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture

meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to

diagnose and treat you.

Here is the liver cleanse. Follow the instructions closely:

LIVER CLEANSE

Ingredients :

4 tablespoons of oral Epsom salts

1 tablespoon Vitamin C powder

1/2 cup virgin olive oil

1 large fresh pink grapefruit

2 glass jars with lids

16 oz. apple juice + beet juice

Procedure :

First day:

1. 9:00 am: Eat a breakfast of cooked porridge, no milk or butter; 8 ounces

apple juice + beet juice; baked potato, no butter

2. 2:00 pm : Mix 4 tablespoons of oral Epsom salts and 1 Tbsp of Vitamin C

powder in 3 cups of cold water in one jar, and refrigerate

3. 3:00 pm : Have a warm water enema

4. 6:00 pm : Drink 3/4 cup of the cold Epsom salts

5. 8:00 pm : Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts

6. 9:45 pm : Pour 1/2 cup olive oil into the second jar; squeeze out 1/2

cup grapefruit juice and add to the olive oil. Close the jar lid and shake

hard until watery.

7. 10:00 pm : Drink the potion. Lie down immediately. Lie still on your

back and go to sleep.

Second day:

1. 9:00 am: Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts. Go back to bed.

2. 11:00 am : Drink 3/4 cup Epsom salts. Go back to bed.

3. 1:00 pm : Get up and drink 8 ounces apple + beet juice.

4. 2:00 pm : Eat a banana or an orange

5. 6:00 pm : Eat a light supper of salad and fruit; no meat

Many stones will be seen in the toilet upon the first bowel movement after a

liver cleanse. It may take several cleanses over a period of months to clear

all of them out from the liver.

Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee enemas to

pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use organic coffee beans,

and about a quart of coffee each time, retained for ten minutes.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:51:31 -0700

Dr Saul,

Thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I will do the

liver cleanse and would appreciate your sending me the

directions. Also, what is Vega testing, and how do I locate

someone reputable in that field? I live in the NE corner of

CA, 2 hours from Redding.

There's another matter I wonder if you or anyone else would

care to comment on. I seem unable to assimilate calcium

properly into the bones. I have lost 2 1/2 " in height these

last 3 or 4 years, and have broken some bones. I once broke

3 ribs rolling over in bed. A bone density showed bone loss at

" a moderate rate " . I had been taking a good calcium faithfully,

before and since a total hysterectomy in 1997.

Since then I have tried various calcium products, but am

unable to tolerate them. Within just a few minutes of taking

it my pain level is greatly increased, and it gives me what I

call " the shudders " . I have what feels like a vibrating inside

me. The intensity of the shudders is in direct relation to the

amount of calcium I take. Currently I can make myself

tolerate only 1/3 of a capsule of Barefoot's Coral Calcium a day,

and only if I take it with 500 mg of Magnesium Orotate. I have

tried increasing both cal and mag O but it doesn't take long for

both the pain and shudders to start increasing as well. At this

point I am having frequent episodes of visible outward trembling

over the whole body accompanying the inward shudders.

I recently started using a small amount of Progesterone Cream

by Emerita every day. It helps with the pain level, & has also

helped stop 15 years of flashing and sweats, as well as afford me

some much needed sleep, which has been elusive for many

years. In order for that to remain constant I must take 6

colostrum every day. The pain level does not allow me to cease

using the Emerita or colostrum.

Well, I'm on a roll here so might as well tell the rest. I am losing

hair, sometimes have blurred vision, dizziness and

equilibrium problems along with clumsiness. Ringing in the ears,

sometimes as many as 6 different tones, I take a B50 2x day to

help with that, also it feels like there are tiny little bugs running

around in there, quite maddening. My gums bleed. I experience

mental confusion, memory loss and concentration/tracking

problems, which get much worse if I neglect taking an antioxidant.

Several tumors on the thyroid, half of which was removed

in 1974. Was hypothyroid most of my life, but now they say I am

hyper. How anyone can be hyper anything and feel as slow as I do

is beyond me. Smile. I'm also hypoglycemic. Have quite often

experienced heart palps and shortness of breath to the point of

collapse, but found this also to be in direct relation to the calcium

dose. The esophagus, stomach and constipation we've already

discussed, and I mentioned the hysterectomy, which was

because of a " basketball size fibroid " in the womb, weighing 15 lbs.

And the rest of my girl parts were rotten so they took the works out.

It put a stop to many years of torment. Sometimes have very weak

voice and sometimes lose my voice altogether, a sadness for me as

I used to have a singing voice. I've had recurring rectal spasms

since 1978, the kind that has you on your face screaming into

the mattress. There is extreme fatigue, and extreme muscle

weakness and PAIN. Hugs have sometimes almost caused me to

faint. The feet hurt, and feel like I'm walking on marbles. I am

assuming there is inflammation in the toe joints. Occasional

pain and swelling in knees, elbows and shoulders. The cold

causes much increased pain, the worst of which lives in my

lower back. I can't handle anything that has been refrigerated,

for more than a few seconds, as the bones in my fingers become

so painful and feel like they will break. The heat makes me

slightly nauseated, weak and " spacey " . Also causes swelling in

feet/ankles, as does driving or standing for more than 15 min.

No energy of course, brittle nails and dry skin. I am light and

noise sensitive. Recently I've been waking up to swollen, stiff

and painful hands more and more often. The biggest thing I face

is all over muscle PAIN. To top all that off, there is no libido. Ha.

Been through piles of drugs, and supplements. 4 years ago had

a series of cortizone injections in the trigger points in the lower

back. I don't recommend that course of treatment. Smile.

Experienced hyperventilation from the added pain and

subsequent bouts of depression from the cortizone.

So I wonder, could any of this fall under the category of " many

other seemingly unrelated problems " that mentioned?

Smile. Hey, I am a very happy camper, if so. The liver cleanse is

a starting place/with understanding, and that's been a long time

coming.

Many thanks,

Deanna

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman "

<spressman@...> writes:

> Dear Deanna,

>

> You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences,

> assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you

> describe are extreme, which means that your condition has

> been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!).

>

> You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional

> support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over

> Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing

> is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture

> meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to

> diagnose and treat you.

> Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee

>enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use

>organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time,

>retained for ten minutes.

Dr Saul,

Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any

suggestions?

Deanna

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman "

> <spressman@...> writes:

> > Dear Deanna,

> > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee

> >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use

> >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time,

> >retained for ten minutes.

>

> Dr Saul,

> Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any

> suggestions?

> Deanna

Dr Saul,

It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the

coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad.

Deanna

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman "

> <spressman@...> writes:

> > Dear Deanna,

> > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee

> >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use

> >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time,

> >retained for ten minutes.

>

> Dr Saul,

> Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any

> suggestions?

> Deanna

Dr Saul,

It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the

coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad.

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

If the colon is not clean when starting in to the

liver cleanse, there may be absorption of toxins from the colon.

If you can't do the enema, maybe Homozon might work for you.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman "

<spressman@...> writes:

> Dear Deanna,

>

> You are suffering from multiple nutritional deficiences,

> assimilation problems and toxin overload. The symtoms you

> describe are extreme, which means that your condition has

> been deteriorating for many years (as if you didn't know!).

>

> You need a full program of detoxification and nutritional

> support. If I were you, I would start phoning all over

> Redding to find a naturopath who can help. Vega testing

> is an electronic skin response test on the acupuncture

> meridians that gives the doctor the information needed to

> diagnose and treat you.

> Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee

>enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use

>organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time,

>retained for ten minutes.

Dr Saul,

Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any

suggestions?

Deanna

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Dear Deanna,

The coffee enemas following are optional.

Continue the Homozon and try slowly increasing the amount

and see what happens.

I think a very important key to your problems is your

plugged liver. Taking the various drugs that you find necessary

to survive day to day makes that problem worse, unfortunately.

If you can get your liver cleaned out, then everyhting will work better and

your level of pain should drop enough for you to not

need the painklillers and others that hinder your liver function.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Subject: Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:17:11 -0700

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:26:26 -0700 djbellministry@... writes:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:57 -0000 " Saul Pressman "

> <spressman@...> writes:

> > Dear Deanna,

> > Following a liver cleanse, it is useful to have several coffee

> >enemas to pull further toxins that are stored in the liver. Use

> >organic coffee beans, and about a quart of coffee each time,

> >retained for ten minutes.

>

> Dr Saul,

> Whenever I try enemas it sets off the rectal spasms. Any

> suggestions?

> Deanna

Dr Saul,

It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the

coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad.

Deanna

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According to the Gerson website, the caffeine in coffee enemas has a

positive, beneficial effect, way different from that when you ingest coffee

by mouth. Here is what it says:

QUESTION:

How does coffee taken orally differ from taking it as a rectal enema?

ANSWER:

Coffee taken by mouth is a vasoconstrictor causing capillary and bile

duct constriction. Drinking coffee is damaging to the stomach due to

the aromatic fatty acids (which are not absorbed through the colon

since the aromatics are boiled off in the " coffee enema recipe "

preparation). Drinking coffee is an artificial stimulant and appetite

suppressant as well as creating a more acidic environment in the body

which is counter productive to healing.

When taking the coffee enema, the caffeine and other components act to

relax and open the bile ducts releasing toxins (as much as seven times

the normal rate) from the liver. The glutathione-S transferase

system is activated as well to enhance the functions of the immune

system.

Simply put, one is health giving and on is not. Choose the " coffee

break " that is cleansing and supportive. Thousands of people have

found this to be true. The coffee enema is also an excellent method

for pain relief that is caused by toxic build up in the liver and colon.

Remember, Dr. Gerson first developed his Therapy to cure his migraine

headaches.

However, a word of caution: any more than one coffee enema a day

should be taken with sufficient juices and supplements to maintain a

healthy balance in the body. Dr. Gerson spent many years developing a

safe and effective therapy that requires some attention and study by the

users.

Still have questions? Check out the Common Questions section of the

Gerson Institute website:

http://www.gerson.org/questions/index.htm

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> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:17:11 -0700

>

>

> Dr Saul,

> It just occurred to me to ask, is one affected by the caffeine in the

> coffee? I cannot tolerate any caffeine, the pain goes way bad.

> Deanna

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I used pregnenolone for several years and did well and then I started to get

heart palps. I know a few other people who also have had heart palps on it. Do

you have any idea why?

Thanks

Donna

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Deanna,

Also, have you tried Pregnenolone - 50 mg? One a morning would help your

hormones, and you would feel better..

jp

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Probably you didn't need it anymore. Taking

any kind of hormone can cause a build up, and

too much of a good thing is as bad as too

little.

jp

Re: RE: Homozon - A Caveat...

I used pregnenolone for several years and did well and then I started to get

heart palps. I know a few other people who also have had heart palps on it. Do

you have any idea why?

Thanks

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Deanna,

Also, have you tried Pregnenolone - 50 mg? One a morning would help

your

hormones, and you would feel better..

jp

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