RE: Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

[Guest guest]

HI

I presume its the Glasgow Herald which is one of the 2 main broad sheets in Scotland the other one being The Scotsman (Edinburgh based).

Caroline Traa

[Guest guest]

HI

I presume its the Glasgow Herald which is one of the 2 main broad sheets in Scotland the other one being The Scotsman (Edinburgh based).

Caroline Traa

[Guest guest]

Hi

What’s this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our tabloid press.

sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece is true....

regards

Deborah

[Guest guest]

Hi

What’s this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our tabloid press.

sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece is true....

regards

Deborah

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara

sorry - it is true.

When I was at the Hear The Silence premier one of the ladies there was a solicitor representing several families whose kids have been taken away. There has been some publicity about this recently as an overhaul of the whole family court system is being suggested. The determination to keep family issues private ( primarily to protect the identity of the kids involved) has led to terrible injustices where parents are left unable to seek any kind of support because of gagging orders. Kids ARE being taken away and mothers ARE being accused of MSP- a whole diagnosis which is of itself highly dodgy. Tragic, terrible and unfair but true.

Best wishes

Deborah

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara

sorry - it is true.

When I was at the Hear The Silence premier one of the ladies there was a solicitor representing several families whose kids have been taken away. There has been some publicity about this recently as an overhaul of the whole family court system is being suggested. The determination to keep family issues private ( primarily to protect the identity of the kids involved) has led to terrible injustices where parents are left unable to seek any kind of support because of gagging orders. Kids ARE being taken away and mothers ARE being accused of MSP- a whole diagnosis which is of itself highly dodgy. Tragic, terrible and unfair but true.

Best wishes

Deborah

[Guest guest]

I remember this story, it's recent.

>

> Really?!? (the bit about the dietician) life is so tough with Tom

that it is

> easy to forget people that people have it even tougher with their

autistic

> children. I would find it very hard to take a comment like that.

We have

> tried to be open about everything we do because we think that (a)

the truth

> is powerful and ( we may be helping parents in the future but,

much as

> much I've not liked the professionals I've dealt with, none of

them have

> ever accused me of being cruel to my child. (Having said that

there were

> such dodgy things in Tom's original reports before his diagnosis,

they wrote

> things like `the uncle is very withdrawn' and `the paternal

grandmother is

> of a depressive nature' which were gross misquotes of things we

had said and

> were taken totally out of context, they also said that `Tom's

parents

> disagree about how to best parent their child'. That was because

they told

> me not to give Tom a dummy, he hurt himself and I gave him one, DH

shook his

> head and I said `no, it'll be alright'. So, actually, it's

beginning to

> sound a lot more credible, unfortunately!!!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen

to parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Sara

>

> I will see if I can find the case of the lady that private eye and

a couple

> of others highlighted. When her boys were being diagnosed with

autism she

> had terrible trouble and kept getting things put on her notes that

she was

> exaggerating their problems and generally an attention seeker. It

> consequently took several years to get her boys the diagnosis and

the help

> they needed. She then became unwell and , because her notes said

she was

> attention seeking ( and if I remeber rightly mentioned MSP) she

kept being

> sent home. She was found to have cancer and died because the

treatment was

> so delayed. Her name was Debbie something - i remeber the Debbie

bit for

> obvious reasons. Her solicitor at tghe time spoke out because she

was so

> outraged at the way this lady had been treated like a nutcase and

that

> solicitor also said she had other similar clients whom family

court rules

> meant she could not discuss openly.

>

> It is crazy. I have always been wary as the first time I say a

dietician (in

> 1999) she told me that if I did gfcf she would report me to social

services.

> I don't tell anyone what I do with Charlie now and i have been

very careful

> in how I deal with Doctors per se.....

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember this story, it's recent.

>

> Really?!? (the bit about the dietician) life is so tough with Tom

that it is

> easy to forget people that people have it even tougher with their

autistic

> children. I would find it very hard to take a comment like that.

We have

> tried to be open about everything we do because we think that (a)

the truth

> is powerful and ( we may be helping parents in the future but,

much as

> much I've not liked the professionals I've dealt with, none of

them have

> ever accused me of being cruel to my child. (Having said that

there were

> such dodgy things in Tom's original reports before his diagnosis,

they wrote

> things like `the uncle is very withdrawn' and `the paternal

grandmother is

> of a depressive nature' which were gross misquotes of things we

had said and

> were taken totally out of context, they also said that `Tom's

parents

> disagree about how to best parent their child'. That was because

they told

> me not to give Tom a dummy, he hurt himself and I gave him one, DH

shook his

> head and I said `no, it'll be alright'. So, actually, it's

beginning to

> sound a lot more credible, unfortunately!!!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen

to parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Sara

>

> I will see if I can find the case of the lady that private eye and

a couple

> of others highlighted. When her boys were being diagnosed with

autism she

> had terrible trouble and kept getting things put on her notes that

she was

> exaggerating their problems and generally an attention seeker. It

> consequently took several years to get her boys the diagnosis and

the help

> they needed. She then became unwell and , because her notes said

she was

> attention seeking ( and if I remeber rightly mentioned MSP) she

kept being

> sent home. She was found to have cancer and died because the

treatment was

> so delayed. Her name was Debbie something - i remeber the Debbie

bit for

> obvious reasons. Her solicitor at tghe time spoke out because she

was so

> outraged at the way this lady had been treated like a nutcase and

that

> solicitor also said she had other similar clients whom family

court rules

> meant she could not discuss openly.

>

> It is crazy. I have always been wary as the first time I say a

dietician (in

> 1999) she told me that if I did gfcf she would report me to social

services.

> I don't tell anyone what I do with Charlie now and i have been

very careful

> in how I deal with Doctors per se.....

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember this story, it's recent.

>

> Really?!? (the bit about the dietician) life is so tough with Tom

that it is

> easy to forget people that people have it even tougher with their

autistic

> children. I would find it very hard to take a comment like that.

We have

> tried to be open about everything we do because we think that (a)

the truth

> is powerful and ( we may be helping parents in the future but,

much as

> much I've not liked the professionals I've dealt with, none of

them have

> ever accused me of being cruel to my child. (Having said that

there were

> such dodgy things in Tom's original reports before his diagnosis,

they wrote

> things like `the uncle is very withdrawn' and `the paternal

grandmother is

> of a depressive nature' which were gross misquotes of things we

had said and

> were taken totally out of context, they also said that `Tom's

parents

> disagree about how to best parent their child'. That was because

they told

> me not to give Tom a dummy, he hurt himself and I gave him one, DH

shook his

> head and I said `no, it'll be alright'. So, actually, it's

beginning to

> sound a lot more credible, unfortunately!!!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen

to parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Sara

>

> I will see if I can find the case of the lady that private eye and

a couple

> of others highlighted. When her boys were being diagnosed with

autism she

> had terrible trouble and kept getting things put on her notes that

she was

> exaggerating their problems and generally an attention seeker. It

> consequently took several years to get her boys the diagnosis and

the help

> they needed. She then became unwell and , because her notes said

she was

> attention seeking ( and if I remeber rightly mentioned MSP) she

kept being

> sent home. She was found to have cancer and died because the

treatment was

> so delayed. Her name was Debbie something - i remeber the Debbie

bit for

> obvious reasons. Her solicitor at tghe time spoke out because she

was so

> outraged at the way this lady had been treated like a nutcase and

that

> solicitor also said she had other similar clients whom family

court rules

> meant she could not discuss openly.

>

> It is crazy. I have always been wary as the first time I say a

dietician (in

> 1999) she told me that if I did gfcf she would report me to social

services.

> I don't tell anyone what I do with Charlie now and i have been

very careful

> in how I deal with Doctors per se.....

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My paed has sent for me to see my boy next week. I have already

cancelled the appointment. Do your paeds " send " for your kids on a

regular basis? I dont know why, cause she NEVER admits there is

anything " medically " wrong with him and offers no assistance or

advice of any kind.

I should add that whilst my boy was in physio a couple weeks back,

that the physio commented on his " bruise " . I pointed out to him that

my son has had this " bruise " (mongolian blue spot) since birth and it

is on record. You just cant be too careful.

I am starting to get really paranoid about this issue now. I am so

glad i never told anyone in the medical establishment about what we

do with our child or intend to do. To be honest, if i was asked by a

doctor what we were doing i think i would probably just lie. My

child's safety is paramount over " teaching " some idiot doctor about

biomed.

>

> Well yeah, it is hard to believe – and I know that so is everything

else

> about autism and injecting mercury into babies – but do they really

take

> children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

It is hard

> to believe. I just like to be wary because I think I already sound

like a

> complete nutcase to most people when I talk about mercury

poisoning, the LEA

> provision being rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific

training

> knowing better than nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so I'm

not

> saying it's not true, it's just the first I've heard of such a

thing and it

> sounds horrific.

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen to

parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> What's this newspaper? I don't think we should forget the

reputation of our

> tabloid press.

>

>

>

> sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not

sure if

> this piece is true....

>

> regards

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My paed has sent for me to see my boy next week. I have already

cancelled the appointment. Do your paeds " send " for your kids on a

regular basis? I dont know why, cause she NEVER admits there is

anything " medically " wrong with him and offers no assistance or

advice of any kind.

I should add that whilst my boy was in physio a couple weeks back,

that the physio commented on his " bruise " . I pointed out to him that

my son has had this " bruise " (mongolian blue spot) since birth and it

is on record. You just cant be too careful.

I am starting to get really paranoid about this issue now. I am so

glad i never told anyone in the medical establishment about what we

do with our child or intend to do. To be honest, if i was asked by a

doctor what we were doing i think i would probably just lie. My

child's safety is paramount over " teaching " some idiot doctor about

biomed.

>

> Well yeah, it is hard to believe – and I know that so is everything

else

> about autism and injecting mercury into babies – but do they really

take

> children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

It is hard

> to believe. I just like to be wary because I think I already sound

like a

> complete nutcase to most people when I talk about mercury

poisoning, the LEA

> provision being rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific

training

> knowing better than nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so I'm

not

> saying it's not true, it's just the first I've heard of such a

thing and it

> sounds horrific.

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen to

parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> What's this newspaper? I don't think we should forget the

reputation of our

> tabloid press.

>

>

>

> sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not

sure if

> this piece is true....

>

> regards

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My paed has sent for me to see my boy next week. I have already

cancelled the appointment. Do your paeds " send " for your kids on a

regular basis? I dont know why, cause she NEVER admits there is

anything " medically " wrong with him and offers no assistance or

advice of any kind.

I should add that whilst my boy was in physio a couple weeks back,

that the physio commented on his " bruise " . I pointed out to him that

my son has had this " bruise " (mongolian blue spot) since birth and it

is on record. You just cant be too careful.

I am starting to get really paranoid about this issue now. I am so

glad i never told anyone in the medical establishment about what we

do with our child or intend to do. To be honest, if i was asked by a

doctor what we were doing i think i would probably just lie. My

child's safety is paramount over " teaching " some idiot doctor about

biomed.

>

> Well yeah, it is hard to believe – and I know that so is everything

else

> about autism and injecting mercury into babies – but do they really

take

> children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

It is hard

> to believe. I just like to be wary because I think I already sound

like a

> complete nutcase to most people when I talk about mercury

poisoning, the LEA

> provision being rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific

training

> knowing better than nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so I'm

not

> saying it's not true, it's just the first I've heard of such a

thing and it

> sounds horrific.

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen to

parents

> when refus...

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> What's this newspaper? I don't think we should forget the

reputation of our

> tabloid press.

>

>

>

> sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not

sure if

> this piece is true....

>

> regards

>

> Deborah

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice.

> If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

See this:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bulletin_of_Medical_Ethics/th

oujl98.htm

Thou shalt not disparage another doctor

All through last winter the longest disciplinary case in the General

Medical Council's history was being heard. It resulted from two

cardiac surgeons in Bristol having continued to operate on children

long after evidence had been presented to managers and others that

their results were much poorer than in comparable units. Two surgeons

and a medical manager were found guilty of serious professional

misconduct: the one surgeon still in practice has been allowed to

continue; the others, having already retired, were struck off the

medical register.

In this paper, reprinted with permission from Health Matters, a

former lay member of the GMC reviews whether it has become any easier

for doctors to report underachieving colleagues to the GMC.

Medical ethics is a growth industry. When there is no professional

left in the NHS to bandage a wound, mend a fracture or fetch a

bedpan, we shall have a lavish supply of ex-doctors, nurses and

midwives who have written theses on beneficence and autonomy, and who

will parrot their empty phrases with endless confidence.

No one, so far as I know, has written a study of the ethics of

medical care embodied in the guidance issued by the General Medical

Council, how it has evolved, and how it has affected the care

patients actually receive. Yet it is a rich area of study for the

historian or philosopher -- not to mention the consumer activist. As

a former member of the Standards and Ethics Committee of the GMC,

which drafts the ethical code, I am only too well aware of the

delicate backstairs manoeuvring that takes place to balance skilled

protection of the profession with genuine ethical concerns.

Successive editions of the GMC code not only document the changing

ethos within the profession, and how it responds to public and

political pressure, but can also have direct effects on patients.

(open the link to read the rest)

> >

> > Well yeah, it is hard to believe – and I know that so is

everything

> else

> > about autism and injecting mercury into babies – but do they

really

> take

> > children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

> It is hard

> > to believe. I just like to be wary because I think I already

sound

> like a

> > complete nutcase to most people when I talk about mercury

> poisoning, the LEA

> > provision being rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific

> training

> > knowing better than nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so

I'm

> not

> > saying it's not true, it's just the first I've heard of such a

> thing and it

> > sounds horrific.

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen

to

> parents

> > when refus...

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > What's this newspaper? I don't think we should forget the

> reputation of our

> > tabloid press.

> >

> >

> >

> > sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not

> sure if

> > this piece is true....

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Deborah

> >

> >

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical

> advice.

> > If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

qualified

> > practitioner.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

See this:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bulletin_of_Medical_Ethics/th

oujl98.htm

Thou shalt not disparage another doctor

All through last winter the longest disciplinary case in the General

Medical Council's history was being heard. It resulted from two

cardiac surgeons in Bristol having continued to operate on children

long after evidence had been presented to managers and others that

their results were much poorer than in comparable units. Two surgeons

and a medical manager were found guilty of serious professional

misconduct: the one surgeon still in practice has been allowed to

continue; the others, having already retired, were struck off the

medical register.

In this paper, reprinted with permission from Health Matters, a

former lay member of the GMC reviews whether it has become any easier

for doctors to report underachieving colleagues to the GMC.

Medical ethics is a growth industry. When there is no professional

left in the NHS to bandage a wound, mend a fracture or fetch a

bedpan, we shall have a lavish supply of ex-doctors, nurses and

midwives who have written theses on beneficence and autonomy, and who

will parrot their empty phrases with endless confidence.

No one, so far as I know, has written a study of the ethics of

medical care embodied in the guidance issued by the General Medical

Council, how it has evolved, and how it has affected the care

patients actually receive. Yet it is a rich area of study for the

historian or philosopher -- not to mention the consumer activist. As

a former member of the Standards and Ethics Committee of the GMC,

which drafts the ethical code, I am only too well aware of the

delicate backstairs manoeuvring that takes place to balance skilled

protection of the profession with genuine ethical concerns.

Successive editions of the GMC code not only document the changing

ethos within the profession, and how it responds to public and

political pressure, but can also have direct effects on patients.

(open the link to read the rest)

> >

> > Well yeah, it is hard to believe – and I know that so is

everything

> else

> > about autism and injecting mercury into babies – but do they

really

> take

> > children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

> It is hard

> > to believe. I just like to be wary because I think I already

sound

> like a

> > complete nutcase to most people when I talk about mercury

> poisoning, the LEA

> > provision being rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific

> training

> > knowing better than nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so

I'm

> not

> > saying it's not true, it's just the first I've heard of such a

> thing and it

> > sounds horrific.

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Fw: MSP/ What can happen

to

> parents

> > when refus...

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > What's this newspaper? I don't think we should forget the

> reputation of our

> > tabloid press.

> >

> >

> >

> > sorry to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not

> sure if

> > this piece is true....

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Deborah

> >

> >

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical

> advice.

> > If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably

qualified

> > practitioner.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:21:48 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

but do they really take children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

>>>They just have in the US

She is fighting back with lots of support from the ASD community

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:21:48 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

but do they really take children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

>>>They just have in the US

She is fighting back with lots of support from the ASD community

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:21:48 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

but do they really take children away from parents because they are giving them vitamins?

>>>They just have in the US

She is fighting back with lots of support from the ASD community

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Is this public information? Is there a link from the web to this?

would be very interested and of course, very concerned.

>

>

> In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:21:48 GMT Daylight Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

>

> but do they really take children away from parents because they are

giving

> them vitamins?

>

>

> >>>They just have in the US

>

> She is fighting back with lots of support from the ASD community

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Is this public information? Is there a link from the web to this?

would be very interested and of course, very concerned.

>

>

> In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:21:48 GMT Daylight Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

>

> but do they really take children away from parents because they are

giving

> them vitamins?

>

>

> >>>They just have in the US

>

> She is fighting back with lots of support from the ASD community

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Well yeah, it is hard to

believe – and I know that so is everything else about autism and

injecting mercury into babies – but do they really take children away

from parents because they are giving them vitamins? It is hard to believe. I

just like to be wary because I think I already sound like a complete nutcase to

most people when I talk about mercury poisoning, the LEA provision being

rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific training knowing better than

nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so I’m not saying it’s not

true, it’s just the first I’ve heard of such a thing and it sounds

horrific.

Sara

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi

What’s

this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our

tabloid press.

sorry

to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece

is true....

regards

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Well yeah, it is hard to

believe – and I know that so is everything else about autism and

injecting mercury into babies – but do they really take children away

from parents because they are giving them vitamins? It is hard to believe. I

just like to be wary because I think I already sound like a complete nutcase to

most people when I talk about mercury poisoning, the LEA provision being

rubbish, and me with no medical or scientific training knowing better than

nearly all the doctors in Britain, etc., so I’m not saying it’s not

true, it’s just the first I’ve heard of such a thing and it sounds

horrific.

Sara

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi

What’s

this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our

tabloid press.

sorry

to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece

is true....

regards

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, or in the case of

the article, get told they have made their children autistic – really? Can that

happen nowadays?

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi

What’s

this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our tabloid

press.

sorry

to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece

is true....

regards

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, or in the case of

the article, get told they have made their children autistic – really? Can that

happen nowadays?

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi

What’s

this newspaper? I don’t think we should forget the reputation of our tabloid

press.

sorry

to be dim - I don't understand. Are you saying you are not sure if this piece

is true....

regards

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

God! So the social

workers actually believe that they are seeing a developmentally normal child

who has been messed up by its mad parents (refrigerator mother) or do you think

it’s something that is being influenced by drugs companies and the government

to stop people tarnishing the reputation of vaccines? I’m very upset for those

families and their children, there’s so much that I used to blindly trust in

this country/ world and it is all crumbling away!

Sara

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi Sara

sorry -

it is true.

When I

was at the Hear The Silence premier one of the ladies there was a solicitor

representing several families whose kids have been taken away. There has

been some publicity about this recently as an overhaul of the whole family

court system is being suggested. The determination to keep family issues

private ( primarily to protect the identity of the kids involved) has led to

terrible injustices where parents are left unable to seek any kind of support

because of gagging orders. Kids ARE being taken away and mothers ARE being

accused of MSP- a whole diagnosis which is of itself highly dodgy. Tragic,

terrible and unfair but true.

Best

wishes

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

God! So the social

workers actually believe that they are seeing a developmentally normal child

who has been messed up by its mad parents (refrigerator mother) or do you think

it’s something that is being influenced by drugs companies and the government

to stop people tarnishing the reputation of vaccines? I’m very upset for those

families and their children, there’s so much that I used to blindly trust in

this country/ world and it is all crumbling away!

Sara

Re:

Fw: MSP/ What can happen to parents when refus...

Hi Sara

sorry -

it is true.

When I

was at the Hear The Silence premier one of the ladies there was a solicitor

representing several families whose kids have been taken away. There has

been some publicity about this recently as an overhaul of the whole family

court system is being suggested. The determination to keep family issues

private ( primarily to protect the identity of the kids involved) has led to

terrible injustices where parents are left unable to seek any kind of support

because of gagging orders. Kids ARE being taken away and mothers ARE being

accused of MSP- a whole diagnosis which is of itself highly dodgy. Tragic,

terrible and unfair but true.

Best

wishes

Deborah

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